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Xerof

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@Der Geist At least a few of us were paying attention to your tweets back then. Keep persevering, some just don't want to hear the awful side of corporate activities, and roll with the view that management can do no wrong. AVZ is unfortunately a magnificent example of global cut and thrust, with a whole range of players using every dirty trick in the book to try and take the prize off them.

But, as I have said, why not wait until we see what they have to say in the announcement tomorrow before finalising the questions - we may have to pivot on a pineapple
 
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Xerof

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BTW, was push for the Hujlich resignation purely a conflict of interest, or were there more sinister issues at hand?
 
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Xerof

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I should add, remember Nige is a member of the Klaus class, albeit now slightly reformed IMO
 
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wombat74

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Hello Solo you mentioned that DG of Cami same tribe as Felix T.
How can the DG have so much influence over deciding the surface rights payable on the Manono Project.
Exposed corrupt deals yet still remains in control of CAMI.
Momentum lawyers why have they not taken this guy to court let alone the ICG.
Hopefully this position is resolved otherwise I do not see granting of ML unless a compromise is reached.
Doubt management can expand on this at the roadshow .
Your thoughts on this appreciated.
I think there must be some pressure mounting to get this thing going regardless of who gets the ML . For how long are they prepared to let this cash cow wither away on the vine while these selfish corrupt pricks push their own agenda . The country needs this mine up and running while the sector is still hot . They are only defeating themselves by f--king this around . The world is watching .
 
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JAG

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indirect ‘open questions’ can be good, it’s what good journalists do to crack open the rhetoric or politicians

Be prepared for information assymetry


Very genuine reflection .🔥

When I was still holding, I wasn’t paying much attention to go to the last AGM. I wish I had. Instead I gathered responses from those who did participate and realised things may not have run according to rules set out for online participants. And as @ChrisU points out, Huljich was not humble imo.
What bothered me most was AVZ’s project director not turning up but more so no follow up promised to make amends.

Michael Hughes was a good speaker for the prior AGM, so it was hugely disappointing and my suspicions grew something wasn’t right. Maybe one person was listening. Michael would have reams to talk about—give Nigel a break—and let the engineer talk, ffs. Especially since the project was really coming along and unbelievable share price action was happening.

There’s a fine balancing act for an executive: at once yes, the jungle law tactics are affecting progress of project?
But At same time, and we’ve discussed it here already, what’s best for shareholders is not to give oxygen to the jungle law thugs. I’m hoping for shareholders ASIC sees it that way because of this goes well and AVZ are serious about mining, I’m dipping back in.

Cong attempted to lodge with ASIC last year. Some may recall the Lomela1 hotcrapper post? Go back and check.

When I started getting info from Cong, I could tell there were issues with their documents straight away, I even offered to advise him on what the issues are. He accepted but I never got around to it. The paper trail was getting to interesting. Moreover the court judgment that AVZ didn’t attend.

AVZ wasn’t helping in its designed to be unclear announcements which created more doubt.

Just a note: always trust your ability to be a reasonable ordinary reader, If the announcement can’t be understood it’s likely not really your fault.

Companies will always refute at the start of a legal battle. That’s what Ken Brinsden did up against Ellison’s MRL. But it’s how well they refute and what details they provide shareholders that gives confidence. I think it was Franck Fwamba who posted legal points, from Ohada law and Dathcom agreement for what AVZ did not explicate. It can only suggest: the less detail the less potential for more trouble later. That’s what frustrates shareholders.

When AFR-Tom climbed on with his hit piece, it was clear to me, that I had to separate my views from the real troll camp. But also because when I contacted Tom to offer him a better perspective, he was such an arrogant twat, that I resolved to distance my questions from such idiocy.

It’s really good shareholders are working together to formulate hard questions. Questions I was maligned for 6 months ago.

Please don’t rely on just one person to ask questions, @JAG - perhaps half a dozen people can have same question sheet and fire away, because then it’s spread all over, and harder to ‘sideline’? Nigel did footy you know?

@JAG have you managed to acquire Cong’s number or is the Phuket boy resisting?
That’s the plan mate, share the love around with others whom I am meeting earlier.

He must know who I am as he refuses to respond….
 
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Roon

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That’s the plan mate, share the love around with others whom I am meeting earlier.

He must know who I am as he refuses to respond….
He's probably just pissed you didn't gift him an AVZ cap Jaggo. Maybe we can include one with the next tranche of performance shares
 
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solo

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Hello Solo you mentioned that DG of Cami same tribe as Felix T.
How can the DG have so much influence over deciding the surface rights payable on the Manono Project.
Exposed corrupt deals yet still remains in control of CAMI.
Momentum lawyers why have they not taken this guy to court let alone the ICG.
Hopefully this position is resolved otherwise I do not see granting of ML unless a compromise is reached.
Doubt management can expand on this at the roadshow .
Your thoughts on this appreciated.

A bit incorrect. I mentioned he is from the same tribe as Prime Minister, not President. However, at the moment I would prefer to refrain from any theories and assumptions until tomorrow.
 
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BEISHA

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Having chatted off these boards, I can say with reasonablr certainty that Der Geist isn't a Chinese national, unless one that has a perfect grip on conversational vernacular. He's clearly a bright guy, who IMO, though partially lost in a sometimes irritating and/or patronising writing style, has a lot to add to the AVZ discussion. If I'd paid more attention to him earlier I probably wouldn't be so heavily weighted In a stock that's been in suspension for 6 months. Food for thought anyways.
Just like you, i dont have a problem with @Der Geist and i agree , the cryptic writing style can be a tough read from time to time, but if you are making your decisions based on a random poster , then thats a bit dangerous.

The fact of the matter, if the BOD were more upfront with the ASX / shareholders with some of the challenges it was facing, then everyone could of had the chance to have another look at the weight of their holdings accordingly and possibly wouldnt be in the conundrum that we are in now.

Just sayin.
 
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@Der Geist you ‘appear’ to post information but to anyone who looks closely at your content it’s not hard to see that your information is agenda driven and not as informative as you would like others to believe.

I thought you were the one who was going to provide Cong’s number to anyone here, now you suggest to @JAG that it was someone else.

Your constant referring to AVZ’s legal accountability and ASIC is misleading as anyone who has experience communicating with ASIC knows.

I personally feel that you are either in cahoots with R2D2 (and his alter ego) or you are all the same person.

You talk about Cong contacting ASIC…. If anything mate, my belief is that you have worked with Cong and that Cong orchestrated the the timing of the Dathomir claim with Mupande’s refusal to sign the ML and I suspect you had knowledge of both.

What I would really be interested in, is seeing you perform against a lie detector.

You may have @Roon and @Xerof and a few others thinking your information is worth considering, but to me, let’s just say…. You know what Cong is having for lunch

The fact that at this very moment modo just ‘liked’ one of my posts only confirms that you are all four of the above mentioned and you are working together.

No sense me getting bothered by it, more important is what you and Cong are up to.
 
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Roon

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Just like you, i dont have a problem with @Der Geist and i agree , the cryptic writing style can be a tough read from time to time, but if you are making your decisions based on a random poster , then thats a bit dangerous.

The fact of the matter, if the BOD were more upfront with the ASX / shareholders with some of the challenges it was facing, then everyone could of had the chance to have another look at the weight of their holdings accordingly and possibly wouldnt be in the conundrum that we are in now.

Just sayin.

100% Agreed. All I meant is that I should've dig deeper at the time that these issues were first flagged. But definitely was on BOD to update the market
 
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Roon

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@Der Geist you ‘appear’ to post information but to anyone who looks closely at your content it’s not hard to see that your information is agenda driven and not as informative as you would like others to believe.

I thought you were the one who was going to provide Cong’s number to anyone here, now you suggest to @JAG that it was someone else.

Your constant referring to AVZ’s legal accountability and ASIC is misleading as anyone who has experience communicating with ASIC knows.

I personally feel that you are either in cahoots with R2D2 (and his alter ego) or you are all the same person.

You talk about Cong contacting ASIC…. If anything mate, my belief is that you have worked with Cong and that Cong orchestrated the the timing of the Dathomir claim with Mupande’s refusal to sign the ML and I suspect you had knowledge of both.

What I would really be interested in, is seeing you perform against a lie detector.

You may have @Roon and @Xerof and a few others thinking your information is worth considering, but to me, let’s just say…. You know what Cong is having for lunch
Even if that were true, which I doubt that it is, that could potentially make his information even more valuable. If you believe him to be a provocateur pushing an agenda on behalf of an AVZ adversary, and one that you've seen through, then you can use that insight to ferret out that adversaries game plan and as an indicator/warning of key timings or impending hostile actions. An insider that doesn't know he's been blown is worth their weight in gold to any analyst that can set aside cognitive biases.

Again, I don't believe this is the case in this instance, but in general just because someone's pushing an agenda doesn't mean you should automatically ignore any information they present - just factor that belief into your assessments
 
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cruiser51

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@Der Geist you ‘appear’ to post information but to anyone who looks closely at your content it’s not hard to see that your information is agenda driven and not as informative as you would like others to believe.

I thought you were the one who was going to provide Cong’s number to anyone here, now you suggest to @JAG that it was someone else.

Your constant referring to AVZ’s legal accountability and ASIC is misleading as anyone who has experience communicating with ASIC knows.

I personally feel that you are either in cahoots with R2D2 (and his alter ego) or you are all the same person.

You talk about Cong contacting ASIC…. If anything mate, my belief is that you have worked with Cong and that Cong orchestrated the the timing of the Dathomir claim with Mupande’s refusal to sign the ML and I suspect you had knowledge of both.

What I would really be interested in, is seeing you perform against a lie detector.

You may have @Roon and @Xerof and a few others thinking your information is worth considering, but to me, let’s just say…. You know what Cong is having for lunch

The fact that at this very moment modo just ‘liked’ one of my posts only confirms that you are all four of the above mentioned and you are working together.

No sense me getting bothered by it, more important is what you and Cong are up to.
Just a thought...

Why does a zero holder believes he/she/they should try to influence the behaviour of shareholders during a company 'Road Show'/'AGM', while using a multitude of different names? What is their real interest? Do they have an axe to grind? Why all the names?
Why do they show up at the same time? Are they behind their computer, by a fluke all at the same time?
I mean What the Fuck!

I know one thing for sure, they don't behave like that to help to improve MY financial position!
 
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BEISHA

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Even if that were true, which I doubt that it is, that could potentially make his information even more valuable. If you believe him to be a provocateur pushing an agenda on behalf of an AVZ adversary, and one that you've seen through, then you can use that insight to ferret out that adversaries game plan and as an indicator/warning of key timings or impending hostile actions. An insider that doesn't know he's been blown is worth their weight in gold to any analyst that can set aside cognitive biases.

Again, I don't believe this is the case in this instance, but in general just because someone's pushing an agenda doesn't mean you should automatically ignore any information they present - just factor that into your assessments
I dont put anyone on ignore as i like to challenge my investment and clear my head of any confirmation bias.

That being said, if a poster has made no worthy contribution, is not open minded, just slags and clogs the threads constantly, then thats when i apply the IGNORE...........thats the definition of a true TROLL.
 
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ChrisU

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100% Agreed. All I meant is that I should've dig deeper at the time that these issues were first flagged. But definitely was on BOD to update the market
Digging deeper, I see that Nigel has answered all our questions here:

My question @JAG if you would is:

How has Tshisekedi been cleaning up the “place up”?

Why could Tshisedeki not stop the Portfolio Ministry and Cominiere from transacting, because there was a State asset sale freeze?

Why has AVZ not recognized the alleged state asset freeze?

Why did the Congolese state make a joint venture easily with AJN but not AVZ?

Is Klaus Eckhof an opponent of AVZ in Manono?

If not, why is he assisting Simon Cong with AJN and TTX?

Is CATL involved still with Cong and Tantalex? I refer to the equity injection in 2018 by CATL chairman Zheng Yuqun.

Did Klaus Eckhof engage in insider trading between June 04 to June 07 2018?

Do you still enjoy a close association with Mr Eckhof?

I have more but this will do for now



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Digging deeper, I see that Nigel has answered all our questions here:

My question @JAG if you would is:

How has Tshisekedi been cleaning up the “place up”?

Why could Tshisedeki not stop the Portfolio Ministry and Cominiere from transacting, because there was a State asset sale freeze?

Why has AVZ not recognized the alleged state asset freeze?

Why did the Congolese state make a joint venture easily with AJN but not AVZ?

Is Klaus Eckhof an opponent of AVZ in Manono?

If not, why is he assisting Simon Cong with AJN and TTX?

Is CATL involved still with Cong and Tantalex? I refer to the equity injection in 2018 by CATL chairman Zheng Yuqun.

Did Klaus Eckhof engage in insider trading between June 04 to June 07 2018?

Do you still enjoy a close association with Mr Eckhof?

I have more but this will do for now



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Oh gee, look at all that suggestion of foul play you've brought up, now us investors will have more doubt and fear. Oh no now our confidence is lower and lower. Oh no!

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ChrisU

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Look I don't know shit and this is just my thoughts on the matter.

But something doesn't smell right with geist, yes I was hearing his warnings but gee, how come he semeed to be the only one who knew what was going on? And his attitude at the time was heavily down ramping style of the trolls, at least it appeared that way to me.
Yes agenda driven, manipulative, appears to me to be deliberately confusing, the coded language to me screams smokescreen, the opposite of transparent and clear. At first I thought it might be an ASD kind of thing (not derogatory, I've supported many in my work and recognise certain traits), but now you've pointed it out I see it a bit clearer myself, and it looks like deliberate convolusions to me.

It's not hard to speak clearly and make it obvious what your intentions are.
I think it's also not hard to deliberately muddy your language for the purpose of deception and confusion too.

NOTHING he/she says is ever clear.

Just my thoughts to get others thinking about it too.

P.S. Also, anyone elses ears pricked up about the frequent paranoia about doxxing? Warning people against it? Just sounds like identity paranoia to me. No one else carries on about it like they do.
I agree Dergeist is abstruse, but have you asked for clarification? He seems to be very approachable.

On the other hand, I agree he has an agenda. That agenda is is exactly what is fomenting now: disclosure of what’s material. AVZ has a history of getting into trouble with the ASX. The ASX appears hostile and AVZ have every right to be afraid of the ASX including any vested nefarious interests at work within ASX discretionary targets.

In reference to doxxing, as I’ve stated on my own behalf, doxxing is pointless and endangers the very thing that you’re trying to protect: the company. If DerGeist is a sleuth what else does he know? Think about it.

He has been around long enough to know everyone’s identity and I haven’t seen him once dox a member anywhere. Looks to be a thorough-going decent chap to me.
 
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ChrisU

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Oh gee, look at all that suggestion of foul play you've brought up, now us investors will have more doubt and fear. Oh no now our confidence is lower and lower. Oh no!

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If not now when?

I don’t see any difference to Jag’s questions.
 

Rediah

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Hi
Would you please let us know more about you, and your affiliation with AVZ. Don’t take this the wrong way but tell us who you are and in what capacity you are linked with any of this.

Someone somewhere said that AVZ has done you wrong in the past, is that true? If you are not a holder, you have spent a lot of time “uncovering” lots of things. Why spend so much of your time for something you don’t hold and doesn’t affect you, what’s in it for you ? 🙏
@Der Geist
Again, very politely, just asking what is your endgame here? You know what we all want, we want AVZ to succeed as a lot of us are heavily invested in it and it makes sense when we comment the way we do that is being optimistic/frustrated/hyped/given-up/pineapple/whales etc. etc.

BUT, whats in it for you, I genuinely want to know what you want to achieve here, you pulled out of AVZ months before suspension, now what keeps you bringing back to these forums? What is it that you want to inform in these forums and more importantly WHY?

If you have concrete evidence against NF/AVZ why wasting time here where people are not taking your word, why not take AVZ to civil court and get millions out of their pockets, why try to convince people here? And when you fail to answer that, it only makes us believe that there lies an agenda that you are following.
 
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Just like you, i dont have a problem with @Der Geist and i agree , the cryptic writing style can be a tough read from time to time, but if you are making your decisions based on a random poster , then thats a bit dangerous.

The fact of the matter, if the BOD were more upfront with the ASX / shareholders with some of the challenges it was facing, then everyone could of had the chance to have another look at the weight of their holdings accordingly and possibly wouldnt be in the conundrum that we are in now.

Just sayin.
Agree also no matter how you wrap it an announcement on the same day as the gob fest imo doesn't show any respect to share holders. Which is sort of part and parcel for this bod. Unfortunately.
 
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