AVZ Discussion 2022

[BEISHA]

The court would have no say on whether 'things were legit and in line with the codes' at this point. That was the job of the favourable opinion bodies including CAMI and the Minister of Mines. And if the court did consider those issues in the case brought by Dathcom then I'm sure Franck would have mentioned it.

The issue isn't around the favorable opinion ; we got the favourable opinions not an issue, hence why decree was issued .... Its just that DG only put half the cake in the box

OBE, just a thought, surely AVZ would of had to sign off on the ML decree or at least perused and read thru all the fine print before announcing to the ASX ?

The reason i ask is, i used to be a real estate agent back in the day, sales contracts ( terms and conditions ) were all scrutinised ,initialed and signed off , with settlement being the same process, one would think a ML decree is similar in nature, not just a rubber stamp.

It just beggars belief how a ML decree can be awarded, announced to the ASX, then 3 days later...........suspension.


imo

 

[Onthefm]

You started it remember…. I might still have a screenshot of that first post of yours Nells (before you deleted it), you know the one…. “He man” comment, with the big muscled black man!

But I’m not nasty, I’ll stop teasing you and go back to teasing Winenut’s and Cashy

I deleted the posts you referred to though, you were right about them!

I think that anyone that saves posts from any of these forums is well wied . Maybe it's just me. I get on here voice my opinion and that's it , have to much shit to deal with in the real world to be bothered saving some random persons posts.but each to their own I suppose. Nel love your input cheers. Imo of cause.

 

[Onthefm]

OBE, just a thought, surely AVZ would of had to sign off on the ML decree or at least perused and read thru all the fine print before announcing to the ASX ?

It just beggars belief how a ML decree can be awarded, announced to the ASX, then 3 days later...........suspension.


imo

Great question ! One that should have been asked before now.

 

[BEISHA]

Can confirm, although he said he had a big beard which was no match for mine. He didn't ask if I could smell chloroform or if I wanted to check out the back of his van either which was disappointing.

Overall 10/10 would have beers with again.

And of all things I got back in the car to leave and realised I didn't even ask about 'ol Twot Investor either!

HI disco

Yeah , a good time was had all round at the Como.

Great having a chat with you, you have a pearler Mrs as well, how the fuck you reeled her in i will never know.....

I never said i had a big beard btw.....

Christ, its a crew cut compared to your rangy mop, how long have you been growing that ?

I reckon half the dinner gets lost there right ?

All the best with the new job .

Take care

 

[BEISHA]

I don’t fuck around fellas, it would be over in two seconds whether it was a car park or a toilet at the next roadshow…. But BEISH and I are friends, you lot are a different matter 🫵

Alot of male testerone flowing there MB...........

I am a lover not a fighter...........until some fuck pushes too hard, then beisha inferno comes to play and a bull tackle erupts , taken to the ground , then i let my steel cap boots do the rest.

Now if we are talking about a pull or love making, then yeah, 2 seconds would be about right.........

Its all a mute point , love your work MB.

 

[Winenut]

I think that anyone that saves posts from any of these forums is well wied . Maybe it's just me. I get on here voice my opinion and that's it , have to much shit to deal with in the real world to be bothered saving some random persons posts.but each to their own I suppose. Nel love your input cheers. Imo of cause.

 

[BEISHA]

Is everyone else getting these adds every day on TSE or is it just me?!

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I’ll admit it’s better than getting pictures of the Minister of Portfolio…. But I’ve got a better half already and the only reason I put that photo of me with no shirt on was to see if Nell’s was up to a challenge

Nope, i aint getting that............so i am going to make a official complaint to ZEEBOT.

 

[MoneyBags1348]

Alot of male testerone flowing there MB...........

I am a lover not a fighter...........until some fuck pushes too hard, then beisha inferno comes to play and a bull tackle erupts , taken to the ground , then i let my steel cap boots do the rest.

Now if we are talking about a pull or love making, then yeah, 2 seconds would be about right.........

Its all a mute point , love your work MB.

Well given the size of you BEISH, my ground game was never that good and if you got me on the ground my tactics would instantly change to biting and farting

As for the testosterone, don’t blame me, I was just minding my own business, it was Cashy and Disco that started it…. And Nells too for that matter!!

Geez, since I’ve been here, you’ve threatened me, Nells has insinuated I like black men in underpants, Red has volunteered me for a nude run, Cashy has tried to get me into several fights…. it’s like you lot think your my mum!!!!

 

[obe wan]

OBE, just a thought, surely AVZ would of had to sign off on the ML decree or at least perused and read thru all the fine print before announcing to the ASX ?

The reason i ask is, i used to be a real estate agent back in the day, sales contracts ( terms and conditions ) were all scrutinised ,initialed and signed off , with settlement being the same process, one would think a ML decree is similar in nature, not just a rubber stamp.

It just beggars belief how a ML decree can be awarded, announced to the ASX, then 3 days later...........suspension.


imo

yes of course ; but DG apparently informed AVZ that this splitting of Manono into North and South was decided by FT ; so really there wasn't too much AVZ could do but agree, hence they released to the market , Turns out DG was telling porkies , pretty sure Frank posted some dodgy DRC sourced document on the bird a while back, proving it was false.
So I assume they had it signed , but later found out that FT hadn’t given that direction at all ; hence why they pulled the handbrake and sent it into suspension and a phone call to the lawyers

The mining decree excludes a North ; AVZ can look to renew a 5 year permit ; but now DG is taking in applications from AJN and legal issues snowball ; AVZ needed to get stuck in at it and get that split and essentially a revoking to the north sorted out ; hence 8 months later

All mad...isn't it.....anyway that's my episode, something like that

 

[obe wan]

yes of course ; but DG apparently informed AVZ that this splitting of Manono into North and South was decided by FT ; so really there wasn't too much AVZ could do but agree, hence they released to the market , Turns out DG was telling porkies , pretty sure Frank posted some dodgy DRC sourced document on the bird a while back, proving it was false.
So I assume they had it signed , but later found out that FT hadn’t given that direction at all ; hence why they pulled the handbrake and sent it into suspension and a phone call to the lawyers

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The mining decree excludes a North ; AVZ can look to renew a 5 year permit ; but now DG is taking in applications from AJN and legal issues snowball ; AVZ needed to get stuck in at it and get that split and essentially a revoking to the north sorted out ; hence 8 months later

All mad...isn't it.....anyway that's my episode, something like that

The exploration process is application for a 5 year permit ; then you renew for another 5 years ; renew typically means no other applicant may apply ; but DG had started accept applications , which would have shown that DG had reviewed then as initial applicants again ; probably to disregard then due to having too much on their plate already with Roche Dure and AJN claim prize ….. perfect crime

If only it didn’t come out in the wash that DG was telling lies about FT calling for it to be split …. Only for that ; DG would have been down the road with AJN selling Carrier

 

[Onthefm]

yes of course ; but DG apparently informed AVZ that this splitting of Manono into North and South was decided by FT ; so really there wasn't too much AVZ could do but agree, hence they released to the market , Turns out DG was telling porkies , pretty sure Frank posted some dodgy DRC sourced document on the bird a while back, proving it was false.
So I assume they had it signed , but later found out that FT hadn’t given that direction at all ; hence why they pulled the handbrake and sent it into suspension and a phone call to the lawyers

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The mining decree excludes a North ; AVZ can look to renew a 5 year permit ; but now DG is taking in applications from AJN and legal issues snowball ; AVZ needed to get stuck in at it and get that split and essentially a revoking to the north sorted out ; hence 8 months later

All mad...isn't it.....anyway that's my episode, something like that

So we haven’t even got a ministerial decree for the tenement is that what your saying? Because our managers took the word of some prick that we could only have half. And copped it sweat only to find out it was bulshit. So where was the dd regarding the prick that said only half. I mean isn’t it a managers job to suss this shit out before making a decision? Honestly it's time for bod to lay their cards on the table for sh to make their own decisions on their investment. Not that we can sell or buy.

 

[The Fox]

Appreciate the effort here by many on TSE to provide information and conjecture over this very frustrating time.

Signing off till the 1st of Feb, holidays afoot, eating, drinking, fishing, golf and maybe a root or two, so no point wasting X hours per day worrying about AVZ here or elsewhere IMO until something positive is announced by the company.

All the in's and out's have been discussed here over and over, at this stage there is nothing new to learn unless some news breaks out of the DRC concerning the corrupt players.

Fingers crossed Ml/PE comes through this month

See you on the flip side all

Cheers The Fox

 

[TDITD]

Appreciate the effort here by many on TSE to provide information and conjecture over this very frustrating time.

Signing off till the 1st of Feb, holidays afoot, eating, drinking, fishing, golf and maybe a root or two, so no point wasting X hours per day worrying about AVZ here or elsewhere IMO until something positive is announced by the company.

All the in's and out's have been discussed here over and over, at this stage there is nothing new to learn unless some news breaks out of the DRC concerning the corrupt players.

Fingers crossed Ml/PE comes through this month

See you on the flip side all

Cheers The Fox

Have fun you bastard

 

[BEISHA]

yes of course ; but DG apparently informed AVZ that this splitting of Manono into North and South was decided by FT ; so really there wasn't too much AVZ could do but agree, hence they released to the market , Turns out DG was telling porkies , pretty sure Frank posted some dodgy DRC sourced document on the bird a while back, proving it was false.
So I assume they had it signed , but later found out that FT hadn’t given that direction at all ; hence why they pulled the handbrake and sent it into suspension and a phone call to the lawyers

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The mining decree excludes a North ; AVZ can look to renew a 5 year permit ; but now DG is taking in applications from AJN and legal issues snowball ; AVZ needed to get stuck in at it and get that split and essentially a revoking to the north sorted out ; hence 8 months later

All mad...isn't it.....anyway that's my episode, something like that

Lol, so AVZ were happy to accept northern cut off of CDL, because they thought FT said so, but then find out later that they were conned then take umbrage ?...

ML decree should never have been signed off , should never of been announced to ASX, instead, full clarification with FT should of been sought if that was the case, did AVZ bod / legals drop the ball there ?

Thats fuckn nuts !!

I tell you what, would love to find the clause in the contract regards to what the requirements were for AVZ to maintain or be guaranteed a 5 yr renewal for CDL.

Normally its a spend amount to be executed within a certain time frame, shouldnt matter if the work was done south or north.


imo

 

[Carlos Danger]

OBE, just a thought, surely AVZ would of had to sign off on the ML decree or at least perused and read thru all the fine print before announcing to the ASX ?

The reason i ask is, i used to be a real estate agent back in the day, sales contracts ( terms and conditions ) were all scrutinised ,initialed and signed off , with settlement being the same process, one would think a ML decree is similar in nature, not just a rubber stamp.

It just beggars belief how a ML decree can be awarded, announced to the ASX, then 3 days later...........suspension.


imo

yes of course ; but DG apparently informed AVZ that this splitting of Manono into North and South was decided by FT ; so really there wasn't too much AVZ could do but agree, hence they released to the market , Turns out DG was telling porkies , pretty sure Frank posted some dodgy DRC sourced document on the bird a while back, proving it was false.
So I assume they had it signed , but later found out that FT hadn’t given that direction at all ; hence why they pulled the handbrake and sent it into suspension and a phone call to the lawyers

View attachment 26892


The mining decree excludes a North ; AVZ can look to renew a 5 year permit ; but now DG is taking in applications from AJN and legal issues snowball ; AVZ needed to get stuck in at it and get that split and essentially a revoking to the north sorted out ; hence 8 months later

All mad...isn't it.....anyway that's my episode, something like that

The exploration process is application for a 5 year permit ; then you renew for another 5 years ; renew typically means no other applicant may apply ; but DG had started accept applications , which would have shown that DG had reviewed then as initial applicants again ; probably to disregard then due to having too much on their plate already with Roche Dure and AJN claim prize ….. perfect crime

If only it didn’t come out in the wash that DG was telling lies about FT calling for it to be split …. Only for that ; DG would have been down the road with AJN selling Carrier

Lol, so AVZ were happy to accept northern cut off of CDL, because they thought FT said so, but then find out later that they were conned then take umbrage ?...

ML decree should never have been signed off , should never of been announced to ASX, instead, full clarification with FT should of been sought if that was the case, did AVZ bod / legals drop the ball there ?

Thats fuckn nuts !!

I tell you what, would love to find the clause in the contract regards to what the requirements were for AVZ to maintain or be guaranteed a 5 yr renewal for CDL.

Normally its a spend amount to be executed within a certain time frame, shouldnt matter if the work was done south or north.


imo

I genuinely can't believe more people aren't at least a bit pissed off about management agreeing to the partition. It's the original sin of the suspension imo. It was caused by a failure by management to understand the mining code.

They allowed themselves to be hoodwinked by Jean 'corruption personified' Mupande and all of the delays stem from that decision. They really should have sought further clarification on why we weren't getting the whole tenement.

From the AGM:

Issue that a portion of mines directorate said we hadn’t done the work on the northern tenement area, and shouldn’t get the north?

A: That’s not within the mining code. So 13359 should be retained in its entirety – however the northern area may need to come under a separate exploration tenement, even though that’s not the established process. – We know who’s behind this (e.g. DG CAMI)

What about AJN having a crack

A: “their premise is that we’ve returned the northern tenement to government. We haven’t. Draw a conclusion out of that”.

 

[Bin59]

Not AVZ specific but interesting reading:

 

[MoneyBags1348]

I genuinely can't believe more people aren't at least a bit pissed off about management agreeing to the partition. It's the original sin of the suspension imo. It was caused by a failure by management to understand the mining code.

They allowed themselves to be hoodwinked by Jean 'corruption personified' Mupande and all of the delays stem from that decision. They really should have sought further clarification on why we weren't getting the whole tenement.

From the AGM:

Issue that a portion of mines directorate said we hadn’t done the work on the northern tenement area, and shouldn’t get the north?

A: That’s not within the mining code. So 13359 should be retained in its entirety – however the northern area may need to come under a separate exploration tenement, even though that’s not the established process. – We know who’s behind this (e.g. DG CAMI)

What about AJN having a crack

A: “their premise is that we’ve returned the northern tenement to government. We haven’t. Draw a conclusion out of that”.

Where was Lukusa (our attorney) and Marius (strategic advisor) when all this was going on…. hanging out with Felix, on their private jet’s, and taking bullshit

Maybe Christian Lukusa needs to fact check his website and twitter account…. What happened to “Working 24-7 for AVZ”…. Not to mention

“Over 18 Years of Experience combined with in-depth industries knowledge as former in-house counsel or current external counsels, our team provide tailored legal, advisory and cost-effective services”

“WE AGGRESSIVELY ASSIST YOU TO DE-RISK YOUR PROJECT FROM MARKETS PENETRATION TILL TO THE ROLL-OUT”

“Our people can provide high-level full legal services and industries expertise to our clients through our strategic alliances”

“The Firm recently advised and represented AVZ MINERALS on all its steps of its the application for its mining license for its Lithium and Tins Project in Manono”


Not a good way to start the day….

Unfortunately I don’t look at life with a glass half full or half empty, I don’t believe people who say they are working 24-7 and I don’t believe people who say they give 110%, speculate or spread rumours

…. Second chances and leprechaun’s maybe

 

[MoneyBags1348]

Seeing how it’s all quiet here this morning, I’ve managed to improve my mood since earlier by focusing on the fact that in regard to one of our biggest issues (Cominiere selling shares in Dathcom to Zigin) AVZ has been fully supported by the IGF Report stating that this action was illegal and fraudulent and the director’s of Cominiere have been charged.

When we first went into suspension this was the biggest issue and the one boatman and tommy two turds tried to use against us, so I’m going to try and focus on the good work of Jules Alingete and hopefully we won’t get any more bullshit and speculation by the others mentioned above

@The Fox hope you enjoy your time off, I might venture out to Martinsville today and have a look for some and try and take some time off myself

 

[Rediah]

What is that?

 

[obe wan]

So we haven’t even got a ministerial decree for the tenement is that what you’re saying? Because our managers took the word of some prick that we could only have half. And copped it sweat only to find out it was bulshit. So where was the dd regarding the prick that said only half. I mean isn’t it a managers job to suss this shit out before making a decision? Honestly it's time for bod to lay their cards on the table for sh to make their own decisions on their investment. Not that we can sell or buy.

Remember these are just my ramblings based on a bag of information crumbs which I reckon everyone has been fed at various times over the last 8 months , be it on the bird , mutterings from roadshows or announcements…. I’m sure there’s many jigsaws out there .

Your question -‘ so we haven’t got the mining decree for the tenement’

As per AVZ announcement - ‘The ministerial decree excludes a Portion of land to the North which will blah blah blah which will be required ( hasn’t been yet ) to be renewed under a 5 year exploration permit ‘

It’s a decree is for award of a mining licence , so it covers the mining licence to to South ; but as the north was referenced as requiring a permit to be renewed as an ‘exploration’ ; the ministerial decree for a mining licence effectively wouldn’t cover that.

So South is covered by the decree ; north isn’t.

Based on my view , since DG ( the issuer of the assessed application ) slipped something in there ( stated FT made decision to split ) , which was untrue and diverted the course of the mining licence application from the typical Mining code rails ; then if AVZ found this then , now or down the line , then AVZ would be well within their right to pull the hand break and have that overturned ; which is what’s being done imo.

For me it just offers a bit more logic than DG just not feeling like pressing the calculator buttons today or for over the last 8 months.

If AVZ have sorted this out and it’s been realigned with the mining code ; then the decree should be getting reissued covering both North and South is what I reckon .

There was a lot of commentary about that DG of CAMI Twitter account and If it was real or not ; that accounts been opened about 10 years ; very little activity on it over that time ; apart from a few tweets where he seemed to go off the handle at some AVZ holders where he stated some randoms as to why AVZ shouldn’t get the North e.g didn’t explore up there , too much on their plate with the south , only speculative exploration company ….. sounds like the sort of views one would have on reviews on initial applicant … so I’m more in the ‘it’s a real account , as opposed to fake ‘

Remember DG approves / reviews these applications , I reckon he said they were going to renew under the 5 year extension ; but he did his back if a ciggy packet review and already had AJN sitting in the lobby with their 5 pages half licked application.

AVZ would have applied for the entire tenenent to be covered by mining licence ; mining decree jssued only with half due to FT splitting it ( not the case ) ; If the legals have done there job and the FT bullshite has been taken out of the equation ; then the next ann ( excluding any extensions) should be a decree covering 13359 in its entirety .

Whether the line in the same paragraph, as provided in earlier post will have any weight that may lead to some adjustments ; who knows …

‘Discussions of ongoing terms of the JV agreement to be finalised’

As I’ve said these are just my ramblings ; I’m sure others will have their own versions which they have pieced together