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Dozzaman1977

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Yes qualcomm have their own AI
I haven't seen any information/research that remotely comes close to qualcomm using Akida IP, if anything they are a competitor to Brainchip IMO
 
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Hmmm....didn't see posted (probs has been?)

From a few days ago....Renesas using Edge Impulse...Raspberry Pi board....not saying we there but like that we are compatible and used with those as well :unsure:


Avnet, Edge Impulse, Processors, Renesas, Software, Tools / February 2, 2023
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Dirk Seidel, Strategic Business Development Manager at Renesas Electronics, demonstrates the company’s latest edge AI and vision technologies and products at the December 2022 Edge AI and Vision Innovation Forum. Specifically, Seidel demonstrates the company’s MPU RZ/V series solutions, along with partner (and fellow Alliance Member) Avnet’s RZ/V2L single-board computer (SBC).

The RZ/V series includes a power-efficient AI accelerator, the DRP-AI. The entry-class RZ/V2L device delivers low power and high performance when running fellow Alliance Member company Edge Impulse’s FOMO object detection model on the Renesas EVK, as well as when running a multiple-person pose estimation model on the Avnet RZ/V2L (a SBC in the Raspberry Pi form factor), all without need of a fan or heat sink. Seidel also demonstrates the newly-released TVM development tool for the DRP-AI, running the DeepPose facial landmark model.

 
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JK200SX

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A couple of comments.

Tapeout of the AKIDA 1500 has occurred.

In electronics and photonics design, tape-out or tapeout is the final result of the design process for integrated circuits or printed circuit boards before they are sent for manufacturing. The tapeout is specifically the point at which the graphic for the photomask of the circuit is sent to the fabrication facility. (Taken from Wikipedia)

I've stated in a previous message that I believe that our customers are waiting to see the results of the AKIDA 1500 before they commit to signing contracts/deals (ie they know that a better performing chip is coming out and they want that extra functionality).

Now I'm going to ask a question that I don't want to ask. It is a hard question, that will have an equally hard answer. I say this because I've been a holder of BRN shares for the last 6 or so years, have not sold a single share over that time, and truly believe they have a tech that is unique and can change the face of compute forever (and I want them to succeed for all the reasons we talk about on these forums).

But, here is the question:
What happens if at the conclusion of the testing phase, the result is that the AKIDA1500 does not performed to the expected specification?
 
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VictorG

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WBT now $1B MC & BRN now $1.13B MC.

BRN is a few years ahead of WBT who recently taped out their chip.

BRN also has many big companies as partners.

BRN heavily shorted whereas WBT is not.

Is WBT expensive or is BRN inexpensive?
WBT is trading at its all time high and has a mc of $1b
BRN at its all time high had a mc of $4b

If WBT is fair value then I think BRN is grossly under priced.
 
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VictorG

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A couple of comments.

Tapeout of the AKIDA 1500 has occurred.

In electronics and photonics design, tape-out or tapeout is the final result of the design process for integrated circuits or printed circuit boards before they are sent for manufacturing. The tapeout is specifically the point at which the graphic for the photomask of the circuit is sent to the fabrication facility. (Taken from Wikipedia)

I've stated in a previous message that I believe that our customers are waiting to see the results of the AKIDA 1500 before they commit to signing contracts/deals (ie they know that a better performing chip is coming out and they want that extra functionality).

Now I'm going to ask a question that I don't want to ask. It is a hard question, that will have an equally hard answer. I say this because I've been a holder of BRN shares for the last 6 or so years, have not sold a single share over that time, and truly believe they have a tech that is unique and can change the face of compute forever (and I want them to succeed for all the reasons we talk about on these forums).

But, here is the question:
What happens if at the conclusion of the testing phase, the result is that the AKIDA1500 does not performed to the expected specification?
Wouldn't BRN have run AKIDA 1500 through tests before making it public?
 
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alwaysgreen

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A couple of comments.

Tapeout of the AKIDA 1500 has occurred.

In electronics and photonics design, tape-out or tapeout is the final result of the design process for integrated circuits or printed circuit boards before they are sent for manufacturing. The tapeout is specifically the point at which the graphic for the photomask of the circuit is sent to the fabrication facility. (Taken from Wikipedia)

I've stated in a previous message that I believe that our customers are waiting to see the results of the AKIDA 1500 before they commit to signing contracts/deals (ie they know that a better performing chip is coming out and they want that extra functionality).

Now I'm going to ask a question that I don't want to ask. It is a hard question, that will have an equally hard answer. I say this because I've been a holder of BRN shares for the last 6 or so years, have not sold a single share over that time, and truly believe they have a tech that is unique and can change the face of compute forever (and I want them to succeed for all the reasons we talk about on these forums).

But, here is the question:
What happens if at the conclusion of the testing phase, the result is that the AKIDA1500 does not performed to the expected specification?
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JK200SX

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WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU?
Do you think the SP will rocket with that result?
You know the answer. I don't know how old you are or how well educated but that shouldn't be a question from a "6 years holder". Very disappointed at you.
Umm, testing needs to be done after the chip is made.
 
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toasty

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A couple of comments.

Tapeout of the AKIDA 1500 has occurred.

In electronics and photonics design, tape-out or tapeout is the final result of the design process for integrated circuits or printed circuit boards before they are sent for manufacturing. The tapeout is specifically the point at which the graphic for the photomask of the circuit is sent to the fabrication facility. (Taken from Wikipedia)

I've stated in a previous message that I believe that our customers are waiting to see the results of the AKIDA 1500 before they commit to signing contracts/deals (ie they know that a better performing chip is coming out and they want that extra functionality).

Now I'm going to ask a question that I don't want to ask. It is a hard question, that will have an equally hard answer. I say this because I've been a holder of BRN shares for the last 6 or so years, have not sold a single share over that time, and truly believe they have a tech that is unique and can change the face of compute forever (and I want them to succeed for all the reasons we talk about on these forums).

But, here is the question:
What happens if at the conclusion of the testing phase, the result is that the AKIDA1500 does not performed to the expected specification?
I've said it before but once more for the dummies.....Peter and Anil would not have spent the time and money on taping it out if they weren't confident it was going to work...................:rolleyes:
 
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Papacass

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Umm, testing needs to be done after the chip is made.
Hey JK. I’ve been around for about 6 years as well. You may remember when AKD1000 was on tbe bench we all pretty much knew what it was capable of because of the Akida development environment. When it went to silicon it exceeded expectations. I am confident the same will occur with AKD1500. Asking what will happen if it fails to deliver as expected is pointless. We all know the answer to that. I reiterate that the brains trust at BRN know how AKD will perform. They would not have gone to tape out otherwise. Cheers. Onward.
 
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miaeffect

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Umm, testing needs to be done after the chip is made.
I understand your point. I will look forward to see better and wise views from you. Please don't throw anything like "What if fails".
I just topped up all of my quarterly bonus today because I believe in BRN and the Management.
 
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Diogenese

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A couple of comments.

Tapeout of the AKIDA 1500 has occurred.

In electronics and photonics design, tape-out or tapeout is the final result of the design process for integrated circuits or printed circuit boards before they are sent for manufacturing. The tapeout is specifically the point at which the graphic for the photomask of the circuit is sent to the fabrication facility. (Taken from Wikipedia)

I've stated in a previous message that I believe that our customers are waiting to see the results of the AKIDA 1500 before they commit to signing contracts/deals (ie they know that a better performing chip is coming out and they want that extra functionality).

Now I'm going to ask a question that I don't want to ask. It is a hard question, that will have an equally hard answer. I say this because I've been a holder of BRN shares for the last 6 or so years, have not sold a single share over that time, and truly believe they have a tech that is unique and can change the face of compute forever (and I want them to succeed for all the reasons we talk about on these forums).

But, here is the question:
What happens if at the conclusion of the testing phase, the result is that the AKIDA1500 does not performed to the expected specification?

Well we have to allow for that possibility because, while Anil is the King of CMOS, he would not have the same level of experience with FD-SOI.

That said, I'm confident his experience, dedication, and meticulousness will win through - that and the FD-SOI experts he engages. Engineers understand theoretical limits and safety factors.

The design will have been thoroughly tested by simulation before tape-out commenced.

In the unlikely event that it is not 100%, an autopsy will find the problem and it will work the second time around.
 
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To be fair though.

You bench test the shit outta something and show that it works and that in theory moving to a physical implementation should produce the same.

However, couple of known variables in the 1500 that need to be considered.

(We don't fully understand any other potential variable / enhanced capability impacts in the design yet).

So...

22nm not 28nm and FDSOI vs CMOS.

Doesn't mean will be issues at all, just means that it's not proven physically as yet until Fab'd imo.

That should be a milestone Ann imo once confirmed working as designed.
 
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A couple of comments.

Tapeout of the AKIDA 1500 has occurred.

In electronics and photonics design, tape-out or tapeout is the final result of the design process for integrated circuits or printed circuit boards before they are sent for manufacturing. The tapeout is specifically the point at which the graphic for the photomask of the circuit is sent to the fabrication facility. (Taken from Wikipedia)

I've stated in a previous message that I believe that our customers are waiting to see the results of the AKIDA 1500 before they commit to signing contracts/deals (ie they know that a better performing chip is coming out and they want that extra functionality).

Now I'm going to ask a question that I don't want to ask. It is a hard question, that will have an equally hard answer. I say this because I've been a holder of BRN shares for the last 6 or so years, have not sold a single share over that time, and truly believe they have a tech that is unique and can change the face of compute forever (and I want them to succeed for all the reasons we talk about on these forums).

But, here is the question:
What happens if at the conclusion of the testing phase, the result is that the AKIDA1500 does not performed to the expected specification?
Well this is quite a pointless, rhetorical question as we all know the answer would not be good for any business to have an unsatisfactory product.

I would ask you to look back at Brainchip’s history and ask yourself if you truly think it will be a one off that Peter and Anil created a more than satisfactory product.


"Aliso Viejo, Calif. – 8 November, 2021BrainChip Holdings Ltd (ASX: BRN), (OTCQX: BCHPY), a leading provider of ultra-low power, high-performance artificial intelligence technology and the world’s first commercial producer of neuromorphic AI chips, today confirmed that functionality and performance testing of the AKD1000 production chips has been completed, which showed better performance than the original engineering samples.

As part of the continued development of its Akida™ Neuromorphic System-on-Chip (NSoC), BrainChip tested a production version of its AKD1000 chip with several neural network applications, including object classification, keyword spotting and spiking neural networks.
The improved performance and lower power consumption results were achieved through a better layout and some minor design changes to the design, which were recognized after previous testing of earlier engineering samples."

Can I ask why after 6 years of belief in Brainchip, you suddenly feel like Akida won't measure up?
 
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BaconLover

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Well this is quite a pointless, rhetorical question as we all know the answer would not be good for any business to have an unsatisfactory product.

I would ask you to look back at Brainchip’s history and ask yourself if you truly think it will be a one off that Peter and Anil created a more than satisfactory product.


"Aliso Viejo, Calif. – 8 November, 2021BrainChip Holdings Ltd (ASX: BRN), (OTCQX: BCHPY), a leading provider of ultra-low power, high-performance artificial intelligence technology and the world’s first commercial producer of neuromorphic AI chips, today confirmed that functionality and performance testing of the AKD1000 production chips has been completed, which showed better performance than the original engineering samples.

As part of the continued development of its Akida™ Neuromorphic System-on-Chip (NSoC), BrainChip tested a production version of its AKD1000 chip with several neural network applications, including object classification, keyword spotting and spiking neural networks.
The improved performance and lower power consumption results were achieved through a better layout and some minor design changes to the design, which were recognized after previous testing of earlier engineering samples."

Can I ask why after 6 years of belief in Brainchip, you suddenly feel like Akida won't measure up?

I don't think it's his disbelief.

From his question, (as I understand) he was trying to know the process of "what if" such a scenario were to occur.
 
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PVD has offered an open invitation, on linked in, to go and let him know what info you want him to share. What a great opportunity.

 
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Tweed of BMW one day ago:


"As for the rest of BMW’s new lineup, such as the 7 Series and upcoming 5 Series, there’s going to be an iDrive 8.5 that replaces the current iDrive 8. But don’t fret. The user of interface of iDrive 8.5 is identical to iDrive 9. Why do the flagship models only get iDrive 8.5, while the entry-level X1 and X2 get iDrive 9? It has to do with the basic coding platforms each car uses.
Cars like the BMW 7 Series, 5 Series, and most other BMW models have Linux-based systems, while the new X1, X2, and future MINIs have Android-based systems. So the updated iDrive systems have to be slightly different to work with each system. However, both iDrive 8.5 and iDrive 9 will look identical and have the same user interface. The only differences between the two will be functionality, as iDrive 8.5 will lack some of the features that are available on iDrive 9. For instance, iDrive 9 will get an app store, while iDrive 8.5 won’t.


While BMW is heavily updating its iDrive for this new generation, it’s still going to be mostly touchscreen base. In the case of the X1, it’s entirely touchscreen-based, which is sure to upset some fans (myself included). However, BMW plans on advanced voice recognition bcoming the main form of interaction with iDrive, for better or worse."

 
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Tothemoon24

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I’ve come across a app called Tech Xplore
First week is free , if you wish to continue its $1.38 per month .
Endless amounts of information
 

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