AVZ Discussion 2022

[j.l]

Haha ...is it Friday already ?

This week, Friday isn't until Saturday...

 

[Mute22]

Mute, open it in YouTube change the translation to English and you can read the English subtitles as he talks. It’s not hard, I just got too bored to be bothered listening to his rambling. It was just like the ramblings Mills Tshibangu used to do when he was bullshitting about being arrested and saying he knew where the the $20million from the escrow account held in Lukusa’s name went. They are so backward and corrupt that they just lie and think that shouting will make people believe their bullshit

That's what I did, but auto-translate wasn't able to pickup all of the ramblings accurately. As @LEFOOL has alluded to.

 

[wombat74]

Mute, open it in YouTube change the translation to English and you can read the English subtitles as he talks. It’s not hard, I just got too bored to be bothered listening to his rambling. It was just like the ramblings Mills Tshibangu used to do when he was bullshitting about being arrested and saying he knew where the the $20million from the escrow account held in Lukusa’s name went. They are so backward and corrupt that they just lie and think that shouting will make people believe their bullshit

You forgot the chronic hand gesturing . They all do it . It's a dead give away they are lying through their teeth .

 

[LOCKY82]

You forgot the chronic hand gesturing . They all do it . It's a dead give away they are lying through there teeth .

And when their lips are moving

 

[Strongman]

This week, Friday isn't until Saturday...

Yeah speaking of which, where in the world is the signing of the peace accord meant to be taking place ?
Hopefully by Saturday morning we get some good news.

 

[Mining8]

I hate to guess a price, so pointless.
We just have to wait and see how the ICSID verdict will be worded.

If Felix is trying to pull a shonky with Donald, he has shit for brains.
For Felix to put CKK on his advisory team might prove to be an extremely bloody stupid move, to be so fucking obvious with his intentions.
He highly likely thinks he is operating on the DRC scene only and is dealing with dickheads.

He might have forgotten that only 6 months ago he went on his knees to Trump, begging to save his sorry ass. Now after the negotiations he seems to be breathing easier and got a little of his dazzling behaviour back.

I love to see him squealing when Donald puts his testicles in a nutcracker and applies a little pressure.
Some people are suffering from convenient short memory syndrome and can do with a short sharp rerun through memory lane.

Don’t mess with the Don:

I hate to guess a price, so pointless.
We just have to wait and see how the ICSID verdict will be worded.

If Felix is trying to pull a shonky with Donald, he has shit for brains.
For Felix to put CKK on his advisory team might prove to be an extremely bloody stupid move, to be so fucking obvious with his intentions.
He highly likely thinks he is operating on the DRC scene only and is dealing with dickheads.

He might have forgotten that only 6 months ago he went on his knees to Trump, begging to save his sorry ass. Now after the negotiations he seems to be breathing easier and got a little of his dazzling behaviour back.

I love to see him squealing when Donald puts his testicles in a nutcracker and applies a little pressure.
Some people are suffering from convenient short memory syndrome and can do with a short sharp rerun through memory lane.

 

[cruiser51]

Anybody speak French?



Curious what the guy at 2:20 is on about, autotranslate is unreliable.

Not sure if he is just unpacking an article verbatim, or he is giving a local perspective.

What i understand, the DRC is angry about 2 things and the guy is pissed off that the DRC sent a team to Washington which created the usual DRC/Felix circus. From which Felix can back track and say 'I don't know nothing'.

The 2 things the DRC is angry about:

1 the ICSID proceedings resume

2 Kobold was/is going to buy all AVZ's shares, thereby circumventing the rules the DRC aka Cominière was farting on about that they had first right of refusal.

It is simple, the same ruling applies as the sale of Phillips Senegal ltd pty to Woodside, there is simply no right of first refusal, FAR had to find that out via an ICC ruling.
So, everything AVZ becomes Cobold, so POQ Cominière wankers.

What they now understand, if Kobold buys AVZ as a company, there is Jack shit the DRC can do, but they are going to deal with the owners of AVZ, being Kobold.

Anyhow that is what I understand out of his waffling.

 

[Mute22]

What i understand, the DRC is angry about 2 things and the guy is pissed off that the DRC sent a team to Washington which created the usual DRC/Felix circus. From which Felix can back track and say 'I don't know nothing'.

The 2 things the DRC is angry about:

1 the ICSID proceedings resume

2 Kobold was/is going to buy all AVZ's shares, thereby circumventing the rules the DRC aka Cominière was farting on about that they had first right of refusal.

It is simple, the same ruling applies as the sale of Phillips Senegal ltd pty to Woodside, there is simply no right of first refusal, FAR had to find that out via an ICC ruling.
So, everything AVZ becomes Cobold, so POQ Cominière wankers.

What they now understand, if Kobold buys AVZ as a company, there is Jack shit the DRC can do, but they are going to deal with the owners of AVZ, being Kobold.

Anyhow that is what I understand out of his waffling.

Because I love you all, here is a translated transcript, obviously there will be some elements lost in translation from auto-translate + AI.

Interesting part is from 02:32 onwards, shocking if true and really highlights how different state actors are working against even Felix's interests.

00:02
Hello. A dramatic twist in the Manono lithium saga. The Australian company AVZ Minerals is resuming legal proceedings against the DRC (Democratic Republic of Congo), despite a framework agreement signed in May with the American company, Cobold Metals. What happened?
Back in May, an agreement was reached. AVZ suspended its complaint with ICSID (International Centre for Settlement of Investment Disputes), the body responsible for resolving disputes between investors and states, to allow for negotiations regarding the strategic lithium project in Manono. But on June 24, AVZ announced: "We are resuming the legal battle."

00:39
Why? Because, according to AVZ, the DRC did not engage in discussions during the suspension period. What is AVZ claiming? Since 2023, the company has contested the Congolese authorities' refusal to grant a mining license. It still hopes to assert its rights over the southern portion of the deposit, which Cobold wants to acquire.
But the other half of the site is already in the hands of Chinese company Zijin Mining, thanks to an agreement signed with the Congolese state-owned company Cominière. AVZ is also suing Cominière for breach of partnership.

01:16
Two parallel legal actions, but one single issue: control over one of the world’s largest lithium deposits.
This is unfolding just as the DRC and the U.S. are implementing their strategic agreement on critical minerals and security. Cobold, backed by American funding, hoped to secure the Manono project under this framework. But with the arbitration resuming, the legal climate is darkening, and Cobold’s ambitions may be slowed.

01:51
The renewed confrontation between AVZ and the DRC risks destabilizing the fragile balance among foreign partners, the Congolese enterprise, and the state itself. The stakes are enormous. Who will exploit Congolese lithium in the coming years—and under what conditions?
To be continued.


02:32
They were warmly received and impressed by President Tshisekedi’s welcome. The President gave his agreement so that everything could proceed without issue.
Congo and Washington—because the mining license had complications, Congo was being asked for $10 billion, likely to settle for $5 billion after judgment in Washington.


03:40
It should have been the Congolese government announcing this—not Cobold—because it is their country allowing these actors in.
Washington Group—I'll tell you something. President’s team received AVZ in Kinshasa on April 1. The President was very kind and gave clear and firm instructions.
They were very happy and impressed. But when they returned to Washington, the Congolese delegation contradicted what the President had said. He had said A, and they were now saying B. That’s my big issue.


04:19
A president cannot give his word (A), and then his team says something else (B). This is the U.S.-Congo pilot project. Even Bill Gates got involved.
This isn’t personal, I’m just speaking generally.
The behavior of President Tshisekedi’s group in Washington was disastrous.


05:15
They got into a shouting match with AVZ representatives. Tshisekedi’s people scolded them, and it escalated. I was even contacted. They don’t realize the State Department meetings are recorded.
They scolded a woman from AVZ—she cried and considered resigning.
No basic courtesy. They acted like bosses.
They even tried to suggest replacing AVZ with another company. AVZ got angry and threatened to sell its rights elsewhere.


06:34
That’s why the first person thanked was Secretary Mike Rubio. I shared that, didn’t I? In Kinshasa, ask yourselves—what did we do to that woman?
If you won’t speak up, I will tell the President. She nearly resigned. Mike had to intervene to stop it. That’s why Cobold later tried to distance themselves from this.


They want to build infrastructure, create jobs—60% Congolese—support local communities, and succeed in transforming the industry in Congo.
If you don’t cooperate, they’ll go develop it in Rwanda.


08:12
Congo is chaos. You never bring the right people to the table. We’re shocked by your behavior.
In America, we don’t operate like you do in Congo. Over there, people tolerate anything.


"Do you know who I am?"—is that how we act? No.
In work, we don’t care who you are—not the brother, sister, cousin, adviser, or minister of Tshisekedi. It doesn’t matter.


08:35
Your bad habits from Mobutu and Kabila—don’t bring that to Tshisekedi. He’ll fire all of you. These are revelations. He’ll have no choice.


09:19
And understand this: these Americans, their number one goal is to remove China.
That group wanted to bring in the Chinese, but the Americans saw through it.
That’s why Cobold, backed by Bill Gates and Jeff Bezos, said: “No, we’re buying all of AVZ’s shares.”
If we had smarter people, we could have thought through all the rights AVZ had.

 

[LEFOOL]

Because I love you all, here is a translated transcript, obviously there will be some elements lost in translation from auto-translate + AI.

Interesting part is from 02:32 onwards, shocking if true and really highlights how different state actors are working against even Felix's interests.

00:02
Hello. A dramatic twist in the Manono lithium saga. The Australian company AVZ Minerals is resuming legal proceedings against the DRC (Democratic Republic of Congo), despite a framework agreement signed in May with the American company, Cobold Metals. What happened?
Back in May, an agreement was reached. AVZ suspended its complaint with ICSID (International Centre for Settlement of Investment Disputes), the body responsible for resolving disputes between investors and states, to allow for negotiations regarding the strategic lithium project in Manono. But on June 24, AVZ announced: "We are resuming the legal battle."

00:39
Why? Because, according to AVZ, the DRC did not engage in discussions during the suspension period. What is AVZ claiming? Since 2023, the company has contested the Congolese authorities' refusal to grant a mining license. It still hopes to assert its rights over the southern portion of the deposit, which Cobold wants to acquire.
But the other half of the site is already in the hands of Chinese company Zijin Mining, thanks to an agreement signed with the Congolese state-owned company Cominière. AVZ is also suing Cominière for breach of partnership.

01:16
Two parallel legal actions, but one single issue: control over one of the world’s largest lithium deposits.
This is unfolding just as the DRC and the U.S. are implementing their strategic agreement on critical minerals and security. Cobold, backed by American funding, hoped to secure the Manono project under this framework. But with the arbitration resuming, the legal climate is darkening, and Cobold’s ambitions may be slowed.

01:51
The renewed confrontation between AVZ and the DRC risks destabilizing the fragile balance among foreign partners, the Congolese enterprise, and the state itself. The stakes are enormous. Who will exploit Congolese lithium in the coming years—and under what conditions?
To be continued.


02:32
They were warmly received and impressed by President Tshisekedi’s welcome. The President gave his agreement so that everything could proceed without issue.
Congo and Washington—because the mining license had complications, Congo was being asked for $10 billion, likely to settle for $5 billion after judgment in Washington.


03:40
It should have been the Congolese government announcing this—not Cobold—because it is their country allowing these actors in.
Washington Group—I'll tell you something. President’s team received AVZ in Kinshasa on April 1. The President was very kind and gave clear and firm instructions.
They were very happy and impressed. But when they returned to Washington, the Congolese delegation contradicted what the President had said. He had said A, and they were now saying B. That’s my big issue.


04:19
A president cannot give his word (A), and then his team says something else (B). This is the U.S.-Congo pilot project. Even Bill Gates got involved.
This isn’t personal, I’m just speaking generally.
The behavior of President Tshisekedi’s group in Washington was disastrous.


05:15
They got into a shouting match with AVZ representatives. Tshisekedi’s people scolded them, and it escalated. I was even contacted. They don’t realize the State Department meetings are recorded.
They scolded a woman from AVZ—she cried and considered resigning.
No basic courtesy. They acted like bosses.
They even tried to suggest replacing AVZ with another company. AVZ got angry and threatened to sell its rights elsewhere.


06:34
That’s why the first person thanked was Secretary Mike Rubio. I shared that, didn’t I? In Kinshasa, ask yourselves—what did we do to that woman?
If you won’t speak up, I will tell the President. She nearly resigned. Mike had to intervene to stop it. That’s why Cobold later tried to distance themselves from this.


They want to build infrastructure, create jobs—60% Congolese—support local communities, and succeed in transforming the industry in Congo.
If you don’t cooperate, they’ll go develop it in Rwanda.


08:12
Congo is chaos. You never bring the right people to the table. We’re shocked by your behavior.
In America, we don’t operate like you do in Congo. Over there, people tolerate anything.


"Do you know who I am?"—is that how we act? No.
In work, we don’t care who you are—not the brother, sister, cousin, adviser, or minister of Tshisekedi. It doesn’t matter.


08:35
Your bad habits from Mobutu and Kabila—don’t bring that to Tshisekedi. He’ll fire all of you. These are revelations. He’ll have no choice.


09:19
And understand this: these Americans, their number one goal is to remove China.
That group wanted to bring in the Chinese, but the Americans saw through it.
That’s why Cobold, backed by Bill Gates and Jeff Bezos, said: “No, we’re buying all of AVZ’s shares.”
If we had smarter people, we could have thought through all the rights AVZ had.

Damn mate come on you've just cost me my job as TSE AVZ thread official French translator... thanks......

 

[cruiser51]

Because I love you all, here is a translated transcript, obviously there will be some elements lost in translation from auto-translate + AI.

Interesting part is from 02:32 onwards, shocking if true and really highlights how different state actors are working against even Felix's interests.

00:02
Hello. A dramatic twist in the Manono lithium saga. The Australian company AVZ Minerals is resuming legal proceedings against the DRC (Democratic Republic of Congo), despite a framework agreement signed in May with the American company, Cobold Metals. What happened?
Back in May, an agreement was reached. AVZ suspended its complaint with ICSID (International Centre for Settlement of Investment Disputes), the body responsible for resolving disputes between investors and states, to allow for negotiations regarding the strategic lithium project in Manono. But on June 24, AVZ announced: "We are resuming the legal battle."

00:39
Why? Because, according to AVZ, the DRC did not engage in discussions during the suspension period. What is AVZ claiming? Since 2023, the company has contested the Congolese authorities' refusal to grant a mining license. It still hopes to assert its rights over the southern portion of the deposit, which Cobold wants to acquire.
But the other half of the site is already in the hands of Chinese company Zijin Mining, thanks to an agreement signed with the Congolese state-owned company Cominière. AVZ is also suing Cominière for breach of partnership.

01:16
Two parallel legal actions, but one single issue: control over one of the world’s largest lithium deposits.
This is unfolding just as the DRC and the U.S. are implementing their strategic agreement on critical minerals and security. Cobold, backed by American funding, hoped to secure the Manono project under this framework. But with the arbitration resuming, the legal climate is darkening, and Cobold’s ambitions may be slowed.

01:51
The renewed confrontation between AVZ and the DRC risks destabilizing the fragile balance among foreign partners, the Congolese enterprise, and the state itself. The stakes are enormous. Who will exploit Congolese lithium in the coming years—and under what conditions?
To be continued.


02:32
They were warmly received and impressed by President Tshisekedi’s welcome. The President gave his agreement so that everything could proceed without issue.
Congo and Washington—because the mining license had complications, Congo was being asked for $10 billion, likely to settle for $5 billion after judgment in Washington.


03:40
It should have been the Congolese government announcing this—not Cobold—because it is their country allowing these actors in.
Washington Group—I'll tell you something. President’s team received AVZ in Kinshasa on April 1. The President was very kind and gave clear and firm instructions.
They were very happy and impressed. But when they returned to Washington, the Congolese delegation contradicted what the President had said. He had said A, and they were now saying B. That’s my big issue.


04:19
A president cannot give his word (A), and then his team says something else (B). This is the U.S.-Congo pilot project. Even Bill Gates got involved.
This isn’t personal, I’m just speaking generally.
The behavior of President Tshisekedi’s group in Washington was disastrous.


05:15
They got into a shouting match with AVZ representatives. Tshisekedi’s people scolded them, and it escalated. I was even contacted. They don’t realize the State Department meetings are recorded.
They scolded a woman from AVZ—she cried and considered resigning.
No basic courtesy. They acted like bosses.
They even tried to suggest replacing AVZ with another company. AVZ got angry and threatened to sell its rights elsewhere.


06:34
That’s why the first person thanked was Secretary Mike Rubio. I shared that, didn’t I? In Kinshasa, ask yourselves—what did we do to that woman?
If you won’t speak up, I will tell the President. She nearly resigned. Mike had to intervene to stop it. That’s why Cobold later tried to distance themselves from this.


They want to build infrastructure, create jobs—60% Congolese—support local communities, and succeed in transforming the industry in Congo.
If you don’t cooperate, they’ll go develop it in Rwanda.


08:12
Congo is chaos. You never bring the right people to the table. We’re shocked by your behavior.
In America, we don’t operate like you do in Congo. Over there, people tolerate anything.


"Do you know who I am?"—is that how we act? No.
In work, we don’t care who you are—not the brother, sister, cousin, adviser, or minister of Tshisekedi. It doesn’t matter.


08:35
Your bad habits from Mobutu and Kabila—don’t bring that to Tshisekedi. He’ll fire all of you. These are revelations. He’ll have no choice.


09:19
And understand this: these Americans, their number one goal is to remove China.
That group wanted to bring in the Chinese, but the Americans saw through it.
That’s why Cobold, backed by Bill Gates and Jeff Bezos, said: “No, we’re buying all of AVZ’s shares.”
If we had smarter people, we could have thought through all the rights AVZ had.

The inherit problem with the DRC is that all say they are the most important people to deal with, so address your brown paper bags to me, me, me.
Thieving fukwits!

 

[Mute22]

The inherit problem with the DRC is that all say they are the most important people to deal with, so address your brown paper bags to me, me, me.
Thieving fukwits!

Really shows what personalities Nigel must have been dealing with in the Washington talks over the last few months.

Kobold goes to Felix who gives his blessing, delegation goes to Washington picking up a few paper bags on the way and battle/contradict him.

It's literally treasonous if true.

Reassuring he mentions that the weight of the situation is because this is the 'US-DRC pilot project'.

 

[Winenut]

Damn mate come on you've just cost me my job as TSE AVZ thread official French translator... thanks......

ce la vie......

 

[j.l]

How thin-skinned are these people?

It's not just Nigel asking social media to cool off...

 

[Samus]

The behavior of President Tshisekedi’s group in Washington was disastrous.


05:15
They got into a shouting match with AVZ representatives. Tshisekedi’s people scolded them, and it escalated. I was even contacted. They don’t realize the State Department meetings are recorded.
They scolded a woman from AVZ—she cried and considered resigning.
No basic courtesy. They acted like bosses.
They even tried to suggest replacing AVZ with another company. AVZ got angry and threatened to sell its rights elsewhere.

LOL what the fuck am I even reading here??

Sounds like when Serge got heckled by Kibeya during his mining week speech or whatever it was.

What's sort of funnier but not really is how the fuck these backwards morons get away with behaving like this. Seemingly against the President's wishes but who fucking knows in that department. Maybe it's all just a big show to stupefy normal people. It's working!
Then they carry on like babies if anyone gives them a bit of shit on social media.

Who's saying all this crap anyway?

 

[BRICK]

And his reindeer gang bang your cat

These will be the comments i miss when this thread wraps up in 10 years time

 

[Penskefile]

though your repeated slavering over Trump is pretty cringeworthy, I did offer to give him a happy ending should our issues be resolved so perhaps I'm not one to talk

I reckon you’d give him one either way

 

[j.l]

LOL what the fuck am I even reading here??

Sounds like when Serge got heckled by Kibeya during his mining week speech or whatever it was.

What's sort of funnier but not really is how the fuck these backwards morons get away with behaving like this. Seemingly against the President's wishes but who fucking knows in that department. Maybe it's all just a big show to stupefy normal people. It's working!
Then they carry on like babies if anyone gives them a bit of shit on social media.

Who's saying all this crap anyway?

My thoughts exactly.

It's like some political sitcom, Yes Minister, Hollowmen or Utopia, but real and painful.

 

[BRICK]

I reckon you’d give him one either way

For $12 USD id look him in the eyes as i do it.

 

[TheCount]

These will be the comments i miss when this thread wraps up in 10 years time

Ahhhhhhhhh, we'll always have the nudie runs!!

 

[Roon]

I reckon you’d give him one either way

I take my opportunities where I can get them these days

 

[LOCKY82]

Accord de paix RDC-Rwanda ce vendredi 27 juin à Washington : pourquoi la signature par les ministres des affaires étrangères sera définitive alors que le processus de Luanda prévoyait la signature par les Chefs d’Etat ?

La journée du vendredi 27 juin 2025 à Washington sera marquée par la signature de l'accord de paix entre la République démocratique du Congo représentée par Thérèse Kayikwamba Wagner et le Rwanda représenté par

actualite.cd

The article from Actualite.cd reports on the peace agreement between the Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC) and Rwanda, which is set to be signed by the Ministers of Foreign Affairs on June 27, 2025, in Washington. This arrangement differs from the initial plan for a presidential signing, as experts from both countries have already finalized and initialed the agreement, leaving only the formal signing for the ministers. The previous Luanda agreement was not signed by the presidents due to the unresolved M23 group issue, which is now being addressed through the Doha process. The upcoming summit of Heads of State will focus on regional peace, prosperity, and economic stability rather than signing or validating the agreement. The agreement itself covers critical aspects such as territorial integrity, cessation of hostilities, disarmament of armed groups, a joint security mechanism, refugee return, humanitarian access, and regional economic integration.