AVZ Discussion 2022
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Absolutely, it's just a dodgy roulette wheel.
I'll warn you all when I decide to sell. In that way you can buy with confidence that the SP will make a spectacular run.
cruiser51
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Can I get FROR?
Felix
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Looks like we have a kuntseestraight / Fatkunce reach around party going on here, no that there's anything wrong with that...
It's starting to smell a little HCish in here
What is this term ‘reach around' party please? In DRC we don’t use that term. Do you think I might be too big to play?
I like parties, especially when Lissette comes to one of mine, but yes, she smells a bit HCishy too
Oh the irony considering DRC revoked AVZ license for not delivering in time.......
carnts !
House prices in my coastal town are down 10-15% over the past three years, but they had a meteoric 60% rise in the previous two years.
I am currently building, and material and labour costs keep rising almost overnight by random amounts depending on the phase of the moon. The biggest rises are govt and council costs where cost rises are way out of proportion to the service delivered...but I guess you already knew that.
I hear you.
I hear you! Been pushed out to a minimum 3 hr round trip commute for work and an average $1m entry price to fix it. Tree-fiddy might help......
This is a video which was linked to Kobold Metal's website a few months back.
Kobold Metals have re-done their website to remove things of interest.
An interesting explanation of how they use AI and Bayesian probability to target deposits which are buried, and without visible outcrops.
Mar 2, 2023
Dr. Kurt House, Co-founder and CEO of KoBold Metals, gave an invited talk at Stanford Earth and Planetary Sciences Seminar - "The Critical Materials Challenge: Using Machine Learning to Find Lithium, Nickel, Cobalt, and Copper."
I find the transcript facility helpful for Youtube videos.
Kurt House: The Critical Materials Challenge
Actually I'm addicted to Youtube and especially the historical and Ukrainian videos.
My favorite is "Between 2 Wars" about the interwar years.
"Elvira Bary" on Youtube offers a Russian viewpoint of Russia-splaining of the West.
With comments such as "the Iron Curtain didn't descend in 1945, as Churchill claimed, but in 1920".
As for AVZ, not sure if Kobold is going to rewrite history - which is a bit of a theme of Trump these days.
Bray
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Thanks mate I’ll have a look. Will be very interested to see if the technology can develop to the point where it is actually cost viable and not just a billionaire slush fund
BRICK
Where’s Zeebot 😶🌫️
I’m living that dream as well
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RHyNO
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Bunch of goddamn over leveraged cowboys here. What happened to responsible investing?? Did your government create an economic environment in which your only choice was to heavily risk yourself on stocks they tax so they could benifit the ruling classes realestate investments with tax concessions while failing to offer even a fraction of protection on a fundamentally algorithmic rigged stock exchange, all the while raising prices on standard goods through a duopoly of supermarkets, all the while failing to charge international corporations for the commodities taken from the ground beneath you, all the while reminding you it is indeed not your ground but that of an indigenous race who are the only true owners of everything you have or ever will have. I mean jeez!!!
I love playing chess— Of course, I’m a bit rusty, as I clearly missed a few moves before the suspension kicked in
That said, what KoBold is doing makes perfect sense to me. If I was trying to solve this problem, their approach is probably the most effective way to do it.
Their likely plan is to first secure the mining licence and then compensate AVZ. Imagine doing it the other way around—paying AVZ compensation upfront and then praying that the notoriously corrupt DRC government doesn’t hand the licence over to the Chinese. Especially when the minerals deal in Trump’s office hasn’t even been signed yet. By locking in the licence first, KoBold wipes out any remaining competition. I suspect that once the licence is granted, they’ll promptly announce a joint venture with Rio Tinto. I’d guess that Rio has already told KoBold they wouldn’t flinch even if AVZ asks for $5–6 billion USD (worst-case scenario for them)—it’s still a bargain for Rio, considering they’ll be selling lithium for the next 50 years. Meanwhile, KoBold secures critical lithium supply for the U.S., gains access to a massive area to explore with its AI tools, and firmly establishes itself as a major global player. Once AVZ receives fair compensation, we will drop all legal action. Legally speaking, KoBold hasn’t done anything wrong—as long as we don’t go all the way through ICSID or ICC. There’s a clear sense of urgency here. My feeling is that the U.S. wants this resolved and ready to announce once the minerals deal is signed in Trump’s office. I can’t imagine KoBold receiving a licence while Trump unveils a “huuuuge” lithium deal that’s still under international legal dispute. Looking at KoBold’s public messaging—especially their joint letter with AVZ and commitment to fair compensation—this feels like a carefully planned chess match. Shareholders have every reason to be anxious, given what we’ve been through, but I believe we’re very close to the finish line. KoBold’s path is risky—even though I think it’s the only viable one—but it puts us in a strong position to negotiate the final payout. If AVZ were to reject their offer and proceed with ICSID, KoBold would lose legal title—and face full liability. The same risk applies to Zijin in the northern tenement. I just can’t see KoBold taking that chance.
What I’m not sure about is whether AVZ’s recent statements reflect the legal team’s caution, or whether AVZ genuinely doesn’t have insight into the strategic “chess moves” KoBold is executing. I’m sure the AVZ team doesn’t enjoy being sidelined—especially as KoBold prepares to take control of a licence that should rightfully belong to us. Still, being the final piece of the puzzle may actually place us in the strongest position yet.
The downside? There won’t be a bidding war. But if KoBold wants this to work, they’ll need to act fast and pay a fair price. For KoBold and Rio the logic is simple: if you're asking $9–10 billion USD through the courts, you'd likely accept $5–6 billion USD now
If it all plays out this way, here’s the question: why would we pay 30% corporate tax to the DRC if under their own law, we don’t own anything? No project, no licence, no recognised asset. Yet I still have a feeling that the Australian government will still find a way to take 30% of our “fair compensation”—plus tax on our personal profits.
Also, just for fun, I like reading through Celestin's nonsense, so my translation of his latest tweet where he praises KoBold is " I am delighted how much KoBold is offering to pay me for 15% that AVZ had rights of first refusal "
Good luck, everyone!
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