AVZ Discussion 2022

[9cardomaha]

Anyone else use Marketscreener?

Just noticed that Tianyibin (aka CATH) no longer shows up on the list of top shareholders for MS. Not sure if institutions were ever on this list, but them being removed i understand given ASX200/300 removal.

Anyway to verify this data?

AVZ Minerals: Shareholders Board Members Managers and Company Profile | AU000000AVZ6 | MarketScreener

AVZ Minerals: Company profile, business summary, shareholders, managers, financial ratings, industry, sector and market information | Australian S.E.: AVZ | Australian S.E.

www.marketscreener.com

Based on the top 20 shareholders on the AVZ website, there's 237m shares that seemingly have gone poof.

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5934d2ae6b8f5beeb5ba23f3/t/62cbaa232a39671bf7e688ca/1657514532156/202206+-+AVZ+Top+20+Shareholder+30+June+2022.pdf

 

[bloke383]

Why hasn't AVZ put out an announcement re the Deeland offer ? Either a number of shareholders could be robbed of their shares , or all of us may pay the price if it is an attempt to obtain a large enough percentage to gain a set on the board . AVZ put out an announcement re Omni litigation , but not for Deeland ... makes no sense to me

 

[Remark]

Why hasn't AVZ put out an announcement re the Deeland offer ? Either a number of shareholders could be robbed of their shares , or all of us may pay the price if it is an attempt to obtain a large enough percentage to gain a set on the board . AVZ put out an announcement re Omni litigation , but not for Deeland ... makes no sense to me

AVZ should issue a warning regarding Deeland - here's an extract of a the German lawyer's warning...

https://anlegerschutz.blogspot.com/2023/01/unseriose-offentliche-kaufangebote.html?m=1

"The potential purchase volume is well over EUR 100 million. At TLG alone, with a volume of 1 million, the sought-after no-par value shares amount to almost EUR 40 million. The most recent offer for shares in the Australian AVZ Minerals (publication on January 3, 2023) the volume is over EUR 50 million.

Deeland Investments Ltd. has been entered in the commercial register for a relatively long time (founded in 1952), but is not really financially strong and is obviously undercapitalized for the purchase offers. The share capital of GBP 100 set at the time of incorporation has not been increased since then. The company is classified as a micro company on the Companies House in England and Wales and is not subject to a statutory audit. According to the latest available report as of March 31, 2022, the capital ("capital and reserves") was only GBP 110,897.

The firm describes itself as a "financial trading firm" although it is not licensed or regulated to do so. The statement that the company has "a strong international presence in the financial centers of Europe" is also obviously incorrect."

 

[Xerof]

Anyone else use Marketscreener?

Just noticed that Tianyibin (aka CATH) no longer shows up on the list of top shareholders for MS. Not sure if institutions were ever on this list, but them being removed i understand given ASX200/300 removal.

Anyway to verify this data?

AVZ Minerals: Shareholders Board Members Managers and Company Profile | AU000000AVZ6 | MarketScreener

AVZ Minerals: Company profile, business summary, shareholders, managers, financial ratings, industry, sector and market information | Australian S.E.: AVZ | Australian S.E.

www.marketscreener.com

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Based on the top 20 shareholders on the AVZ website, there's 237m shares that seemingly have gone poof.

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5934d2ae6b8f5beeb5ba23f3/t/62cbaa232a39671bf7e688ca/1657514532156/202206+-+AVZ+Top+20+Shareholder+30+June+2022.pdf

unreliable source information. Rely on AVZ info, not any third party, who probably only use Iress, which I believe is as useless as tits on a bull as a registry

Yibin aka CATH.....? ffs

That you LarS?

 

[9cardomaha]

unreliable source information. Rely on AVZ info, not any third party, who probably only use Iress, which I believe is as useless as tits on a bull as a registry

Yibin aka CATH.....? ffs

That you LarS?

Ah cool, then i'll disregard.

Thought they were a subsidiary? I might be misinformed then, eitherway not an issue.

Cheers Xerof

 

[Xerof]

Yibin is a Subsidiary of CATL. CATH is a JV between CATL, and Pei.

Yibin offtake is to be assigned across to CATH, and increased in due course, leaving Yibin out of the SC6 supply chain.

CATL and/or Pei have also shifted ownership of that original parcel of shares from Yibin to Yibin and CATH jointly

The % ownership of CATL/Pei in AVZ is unchanged, and we await CATH taking up 9 or 24% of DATHCOM or not, if other parties step in.

As Nigel says, try to ignore the bullshit on Twitter and on the DRC fake media sites and trust ASX Announcements.

@MoneyBags1348 has compiled a list of bullshitters on a separate thread

 

[TDITD]

Excellent post

Wasn't the Deeland website also registered the same day as the class action was launched?

The two events are definitely linked and are being instigated by the same people imo

There could be a few reasons this is happening but someone is obviously trying to test market appetite for price and trying to turn AVZ shareholders against the board

It reeks of Zijin imo

Hey Zijin,

You want to turn me against the board ?
A buy out offer of $4 will do, it would be $3 for CATL but, alas you have accrued a fuckwit tax

Non-stop attacks on AVZ should harden us shareholders against the scum. If anyone wants it then fucking pay up for it !!!

Klaus tough shit you snide fucking arsewipe, the disgraceful way in which you left AVZ and dumped your shares like a baby throwing it’s toys out of the pram because the board didn’t want to sell real cheap to the Chinese, what a fool to only now realise what the rest of the board already knew. Fancy using ‘that’s how they do business’ as an excuse for corruption, cockhead.

AVZ via us shareholders have paid for the development of this tenement in Manono, from initial drilling to DFS it’s all been AVZ, Dathomir have contributed fuck all although they were supposed to, a certain road comes to mind, Cominiere have proven how useless and corrupt they are, so essentially in summation AVZ in spite of its Dathcom partners have done brilliantly to bring this project to the stage of financing and construction.

BOD let’s do the best thing we can do in rebuttal and get the ML, finance and build that fucking mine !

So yea $4 Zijin or piss off


#FuckMupande
#FuckKayinda

 

[Mr Inappropriate]

Hey Zijin,

You want to turn me against the board ?
A buy out offer of $4 will do, it would be $3 for CATL but, alas you have accrued a fuckwit tax

Non-stop attacks on AVZ should harden us shareholders against the scum. If anyone wants it then fucking pay up for it !!!

Klaus tough shit you snide fucking arsewipe, the disgraceful way in which you left AVZ and dumped your shares like a baby throwing it’s toys out of the pram because the board didn’t want to sell real cheap to the Chinese, what a fool to only now realise what the rest of the board already knew. Fancy using ‘that’s how they do business’ as an excuse for corruption, cockhead.

AVZ via us shareholders have paid for the development of this tenement in Manono, from initial drilling to DFS it’s all been AVZ, Dathomir have contributed fuck all although they were supposed to, a certain road comes to mind, Cominiere have proven how useless and corrupt they are, so essentially in summation AVZ in spite of its Dathcom partners have done brilliantly to bring this project to the stage of financing and construction.

BOD let’s do the best thing we can do in rebuttal and get the ML, finance and build that fucking mine !

So yea $4 Zijin or piss off


#FuckMupande
#FuckKayinda

$12 or fuck off.

 

[Mr Inappropriate]

$12 or fuck off.

Just wait until Constantin (twitter) crunches the numbers once the BFS come out. We’ll piss ourselves.

 

[TDITD]

$12 or fuck off.

Agree on second thoughts the fuckwit tax was just not enough
$12 it is, it’ll feel like the 12 days of Christmas , so that’s why we were told to put the champagne on ice at Christmas.

 

[Carlos Danger]

$12 or fuck off.

Agree on second thoughts the fuckwit tax was just not enough
$12 it is, it’ll feel like the 12 days of Christmas , so that’s why we were told to put the champagne on ice at Christmas.

 

[Max]

They can have my shares for $20

 

[Ozthescot]

The whole Deeland deal smells fishier than Jags lobster traps to me!

 

[Xerof]

The second offer, as well as improving the price, has improved the terms of settlement. Once a 'contract' has been signed, they pay, then seller initiates the share transfer on a timely basis. I'd like to see the contract, so Carlos Dangerous can make sure thats watertight. The catch is 'signed by both parties'

Before I am ready to be convinced that this could be 'genuine', I'd like to hear confirmation from a single person who has signed a contract, received the full payment and successfully transferred the shares.

otherwise the bargepole remains in place

BUT.....

Some unsavoury thoughts:

We know that any Chinese entity would be unable to make a TO offer for AVZ directly
We also know they could buy DATHCOM shares from AVZI/AVZ, if they could get approvals from the Boards of Directors
So......they need to get control of the B'sOD

how do they possibly do that you say? well, firstly, you start a class action to unsettle the register. Secondly, you start picking off selected shareholdings where you legally can - the German et al exchange holdings. Then you call in all the ASX REGISTERED 'sleeper' shareholders who hold individually, but are aligned to the cause, and who the fuck knows how many of them there are. Nominee companies are also very dominant in the T20, and could also be holding for the cause

then you call an EGM, roll the board with your voting power, and we all know what would happen next

sounds familiar to a story related to the Deeland offers on the crapper yesterday and this morning

I sincerely hope I'm having a nightmare

 

[Xerof]

If you think I'm losing the plot, I'm sure @Misfits will confirm this scenario has largely already been played out by Zijin in another company that used to be on the ASX - NKP, where they 'stole' most of the company via convertible bonds, and partaking in share placements, then trashing the SP on the ASX platform.

They eventually made a terrible lowball TO offer (this was before FIRB would have ever picked up on the nuanced screwing of Australia), having replaced the BOD with dummy directors (paper bag recipients most likely), who recommended the TO

Well, fuck me, our group of dissenting shareholders are still in court in Bermuda, awaiting legal proceedings to commence to get a fairer payout price. I won't even mention the dirty tricks done behind the bike sheds during the course of the challenge (fake DFS's, dummy company registrations in order to illegally transfer mining licences) - oh shit, I have, sorry about that

 

[Mr Inappropriate]

The second offer, as well as improving the price, has improved the terms of settlement. Once a 'contract' has been signed, they pay, then seller initiates the share transfer on a timely basis. I'd like to see the contract, so Carlos Dangerous can make sure thats watertight. The catch is 'signed by both parties'

Before I am ready to be convinced that this could be 'genuine', I'd like to hear confirmation from a single person who has signed a contract, received the full payment and successfully transferred the shares.

otherwise the bargepole remains in place

BUT.....

Some unsavoury thoughts:

We know that any Chinese entity would be unable to make a TO offer for AVZ directly
We also know they could buy DATHCOM shares from AVZI/AVZ, if they could get approvals from the Boards of Directors
So......they need to get control of the B'sOD

how do they possibly do that you say? well, firstly, you start a class action to unsettle the register. Secondly, you start picking off selected shareholdings where you legally can - the German et al exchange holdings. Then you call in all the ASX REGISTERED 'sleeper' shareholders who hold individually, but are aligned to the cause, and who the fuck knows how many of them there are. Nominee companies are also very dominant in the T20, and could also be holding for the cause

then you call an EGM, roll the board with your voting power, and we all know what would happen next

sounds familiar to a story related to the Deeland offers on the crapper yesterday and this morning

I sincerely hope I'm having a nightmare

An EGM was in my thinking. Does anyone know how many shares/votes would be required to force one?

 

[Xerof]

I see @obe wan has expressed similar but differing thoughts on the crapper just now. Yes, first step might just be to gain one seat on the board, just to see whats going on in the 'enemy camp', seeing very little is being announced.

I still see larger ambitions in the pipeline, but his line of thinking certainly makes sense for the short term. And given Yibin/CATH holdings are the ones near the 10%, could it be them and not Z who are working through Deeland?

Kunts

 

[obe wan]

The second offer, as well as improving the price, has improved the terms of settlement. Once a 'contract' has been signed, they pay, then seller initiates the share transfer on a timely basis. I'd like to see the contract, so Carlos Dangerous can make sure thats watertight. The catch is 'signed by both parties'

Before I am ready to be convinced that this could be 'genuine', I'd like to hear confirmation from a single person who has signed a contract, received the full payment and successfully transferred the shares.

otherwise the bargepole remains in place

BUT.....

Some unsavoury thoughts:

We know that any Chinese entity would be unable to make a TO offer for AVZ directly
We also know they could buy DATHCOM shares from AVZI/AVZ, if they could get approvals from the Boards of Directors
So......they need to get control of the B'sOD

how do they possibly do that you say? well, firstly, you start a class action to unsettle the register. Secondly, you start picking off selected shareholdings where you legally can - the German et al exchange holdings. Then you call in all the ASX REGISTERED 'sleeper' shareholders who hold individually, but are aligned to the cause, and who the fuck knows how many of them there are. Nominee companies are also very dominant in the T20, and could also be holding for the cause

then you call an EGM, roll the board with your voting power, and we all know what would happen next

sounds familiar to a story related to the Deeland offers on the crapper yesterday and this morning

I sincerely hope I'm having a nightmare

Your ASX sleeper could be LITHIUM PLUS PTY LTD ; all links back to ‘CHYNA’ , but are an Australian registered company and have been registered in Australia now for over 3 year 5/18 ; 5% holding in AVZ ….

For me , these guys have always been in hibernation mode ; came out of no where, doodled in some half hearted lithium projects to look the part imo

 

[Xerof]

An EGM was in my thinking. Does anyone know how many shares/votes would be required to force one?

5% of shareholders needed to call for a meeting to seek a removal of a director. simple majority vote >50% to actually do so.

But this Deeland shit could be a move to get to 10% in order to have the right to a seat - don't rock the entire boat, just get an insider on the board? I like @obe wan 's thinking on this over my more extreme scenario.

Your ASX sleeper could be LITHIUM PLUS PTY LTD ; all links back to ‘CHYNA’ , but are an Australian registered company and have been registered in Australia now for over 3 year 5/18 ; 5% holding in AVZ ….

For me , these guys have always been in hibernation mode ; came out of no where, doodled in some half hearted lithium projects to look the part imo

yes, agree, and suspect there's a lot more - Bethamel came on, but have dropped off T20 - direct link back to Z. Could be sitting there still, don't know

 

[Mr Inappropriate]

5% of shareholders needed to call for a meeting to seek a removal of a director. simple majority vote >50% to actually do so.

But this Deeland shit could be a move to get to 10% in order to have the right to a seat - don't rock the entire boat, just get an insider on the board? I like @obe wan 's thinking on this over my more extreme scenario.

yes, agree, and suspect there's a lot more - Bethamel came on, but have dropped off T20 - direct link back to Z. Could be sitting there still, don't know

Whatever external strategies are in play, they have the best chance of succeeding while we remain without the ML and suspended. I'm sure the Green Witch and Jean Cleaude Van Damme continue to receive plenty of "encouragement" to remain sitting on their hands.