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[Deleted member 118]

Good Luck

You need to follow things up, every step of the way.

The people I dealt with were professional, but the systems they have to work with, leave much to be desired..

I'd say pretty much all the problems I encountered were system generated.

I'll give one Golden example.

In the process of trying to set up the SMSF trading account, they told me that they couldn't continue, because the other Trustee had 3 banking profiles..

We had to go in to a branch, to consolidate them ..

Again, don't trust that things are moving along smoothly, because they most probably aren't..

So many things these days, make me question..

Is it really the year 2023 ..

Mine hasn’t been to bad, just missed that I needed an abn and acn, the hard bit was I was released from Bankruptcy in July, so it took a bit of time to be allowed to open a smsf

 

[Fullmoonfever]

Proprietary information is not public information.

Proprietary information is not public information.

Someone posted a podcast on S1041A of the Corportaions Act:

CORPORATIONS ACT 2001 - SECT 1041A​

Market manipulation
A person must not take part in, or carry out (whether directly or indirectly and whether in this jurisdiction or elsewhere):

(a) a transaction that has or is likely to have; or

(b) 2 or more transactions that have or are likely to have;

the effect of:

(c) creating an artificial price for trading in financial products on a financial market operated in this jurisdiction; or

(d) maintaining at a level that is artificial (whether or not it was previously artificial) a price for trading in financial products on a financial market operated in this jurisdiction.

Note 1: Failure to comply with this section is an offence (see subsection 1311(1)).

Note 2: This section is also a civil penalty provision (see section 1317E). For relief from liability to a civil penalty relating to this section, see section 1317S.

The crux of that appears to be around "artificial" pricing.

My view.

Order book is the actual buy / sell / trade flow which is not artificial.

Obviously as we know price can be manipulated by capping, shorting, bots and so forth however it is still an open book that any trader can partake in which can assist in the moving of the price...not artificially.

 

[Diogenese]

Could be totally wrong but gist I get for their Oculi tech from the patent that @Diogenese also found is driven around the pixel identification and changes and they speak of the vision component primarily that needs to dovetail into an AI processing aspect maybe?

Driven around threshold values and trigger signals...presumably on pixel changes?

So, question is for me is, who's AI is doing the backend processing?

Appears they need an AI processor / IP maybe to be in that SPU.

The only reference to AI per se was a comment in the patent and quite generic. Nothing on neural or neuromorphic, SNN, DNN, CNN etc.

Only reference I can find so far to neuromorphic is their site but patent and TM applications etc so far don't show any of their own neuromorphic work so logic indicates sourcing elsewhere....whether us or not is to be formally confirmed, I guess.

Our Technology-V1 | Oculi

www.oculi.ai

OCULI SPU™: Integrated Neuromorphic Sensing & Processing​

Oculi makes the OCULI SPU™, Sensing and Processing Unit. This is the only Software-Defined Vision Sensor™ and it can deliver real-time vision intelligence (VI) by combining sensing + pre-processing in the pixel.

SENSING AND PROCESSING UNIT GENERATING A TRIGGER SIGNAL UPON OCCURRENCE OF SPECIFIED CONDITIONS - Fris, Inc.

<div p-id="p-0001">A sensing and processing electronic circuit includes a sensing array having a plurality of sensing elements each having a sensor configured to produce an output signal in response t

www.freepatentsonline.com

A sensing and processing electronic circuit includes a sensing array having a plurality of sensing elements each having a sensor configured to produce an output signal in response to detection of an environmental parameter. The circuit includes a triggering unit configured to generate a trigger signal that causes an action to occur. The trigger signal is generated based on selected activated sensing elements satisfying one or more specifiable conditions. A sensing element is activated when a characteristic value based on the output value of the sensing element crosses one or more thresholds so that the characteristic value is above, below, within or outside of a specified range of values or when a difference value between the characteristic value and a previous or template value of the sensing element crosses one or more thresholds so that the difference value is above, below, within or outside of a specified range of values.


or it may be more convenient to construct a specialized apparatus or system to perform the required methods and techniques. In some cases the environments in which various embodiments described herein are implemented may employ machine-learning and/or artificial intelligence techniques to perform the required methods and techniques.


They also applied for a more recent TM for a Software-Defined Vision Sensor with a dummy board by the looks so unfortunately no Akida identifier **sad face** haha

Was interesting to see the first use anywhere & first use commerce dates in the application.

Application for Software-defined Vision Sensor

Trademark registration supporting document for Application regarding SOFTWARE-DEFINED VISION SENSOR registered by Fris Inc

uspto.report

Trademark/Service Mark Application, Principal Register​

Serial Number: 97415842

Filing Date: 05/18/2022

To the Commissioner for Trademarks:​

MARK: Software-Defined Vision Sensor (Standard Characters, see mark)
The literal element of the mark consists of Software-Defined Vision Sensor. The mark consists of standard characters, without claim to any particular font style, size, or color.
The applicant, Fris Inc, DBA Oculi, a corporation of Delaware, having an address of
5520 Research Park Drive, Suite 100
5520 Research Park Drive, Suite 100
Baltimore, Maryland 21228
United States
410-205-5513(phone)
XXXX

requests registration of the trademark/service mark identified above in the United States Patent and Trademark Office on the Principal Register established by the Act of July 5, 1946 (15 U.S.C. Section 1051 et seq.), as amended, for the following:

For specific filing basis information for each item, you must view the display within the Input Table.
International Class 009: Semi-conductors; Semiconductor chip sets; Semiconductor chips; Semiconductor devices; Semiconductor wafers; Semiconductors; Electronic semi-conductors

In International Class 009, the mark was first used by the applicant or the applicant's related company or licensee or predecessor in interest at least as early as 12/08/2021, and first used in commerce at least as early as 12/10/2021, and is now in use in such commerce. The applicant is submitting one(or more) specimen(s) showing the mark as used in commerce on or in connection with any item in the class of listed goods/services, consisting of a Board with statement on it: Software-Defined Vision Sensor.
Specimen File1
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Webpage URL: www.oculi.ai
Webpage Date of Access: 12/10/2021

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Mar 22 TinyML presso slide.

https://cms.tinyml.org/wp-content/uploads/talks2022/Oculi-Poster-for-tinyML-Summit-48x36-2022-03-17.pdf

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Thanks Fmf,

Oculi acts as an artificial retina. It is not a neuromorphic processor.

It is capable of adjusting the detection threshold of each individual pixel.

It does not do the brainwork (synapse/neuron) of inference/classification.

Drawing on Prophesee's experience, Akida would be the best match for oculi to process the signals from the artificial retina.

 

[Diogenese]

The crux of that appears to be around "artificial" pricing.

My view.

Order book is the actual buy / sell / trade flow which is not artificial.

Obviously as we know price can be manipulated by capping, shorting, bots and so forth however it is still an open book that any trader can partake in which can assist in the moving of the price...not artificially.

Does it contain stop losses?

 

[Fullmoonfever]

Thanks Fmf,

Oculi acts as an artificial retina. It is not a neuromorphic processor.

It is capable of adjusting the detection threshold of each individual pixel.

It does not do the brainwork (synapse/neuron) of inference/classification.

Drawing on Prophesee's experience, Akida would be the best match for oculi to process the signals from the artificial retina.

Welcome.

So where does the neuromorphic SPU fit?

Is that just part of the artificial retina aspect or is that the possible Akida integration?

 

[Bravo]

Might be worth looking into this a little deeper...

Bitsensing launches ITS radar with AI edge processing | Traffic Technology Today

South Korean imaging radar company Bitsensing has announced the launch of its 24GHz Traffic Insight Monitoring Sensor (TIMOS), powered by the NVIDIA

www.traffictechnologytoday.com

 

[Diogenese]

Welcome.

So where does the neuromorphic SPU fit?

Is that just part of the artificial retina aspect or is that the possible Akida integration?

Without researching their discussion on this point, I think that, in relation to DVS, the event spike is referred to as "neuromorphic".

 

[Fullmoonfever]

Does it contain stop losses?

Essentially no imo....as an identifiable named "stop loss" anyway.

Stop losses can be a mental price point some traders keep to themselves and then place an order at mkt when SP gets near their level.

Others run trailing stops with a tolerance % / $ value to the SP and the stop will follow accordingly until gets "hit", generally in a quick move and...

Others place physical longer lasting sell orders at price points in the queue that are effectively visible.

Manipulators will also use TA to ascertain prev price points of support / resist and also volume supply/ demand areas that they can view in relation to the order book and visible sell orders already at those levels.

It does provide a guide of sorts where to look and kinda supports the phrase of "hitting stops / stop hunting".

 

[Diogenese]

Hopefully these shorters missed the boat on Feb 15th.
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More likely they contributed to the coordinated manipulation to cause drop and would have dined on the results.

 

[Fullmoonfever]

Without researching their discussion on this point, I think that, in relation to DVS, the event spike is referred to as "neuromorphic".

Thanks.

Fair conclusion.

 

[Bravo]

Might be worth looking into this a little deeper...


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Bitsensing launches ITS radar with AI edge processing | Traffic Technology Today

South Korean imaging radar company Bitsensing has announced the launch of its 24GHz Traffic Insight Monitoring Sensor (TIMOS), powered by the NVIDIA

www.traffictechnologytoday.com

Hmmm...Could be onto something here. Infineon and Bitsensing are partners. And thanks to @GStocks123for this post#43,410 because now we know that Infinineon are interested in neuromophic computing because of their job add. Have look at the part that I highlighted in red (and blue)!

 

[Diogenese]

Essentially no imo....as an identifiable named "stop loss" anyway.

Stop losses can be a mental price point some traders keep to themselves and then place an order at mkt when SP gets near their level.

Others run trailing stops with a tolerance % / $ value to the SP and the stop will follow accordingly until gets "hit", generally in a quick move and...

Others place physical longer lasting sell orders at price points in the queue that are effectively visible.

Manipulators will also use TA to ascertain prev price points of support / resist and also volume supply/ demand areas that they can view in relation to the order book and visible sell orders already at those levels.

It does provide a guide of sorts where to look and kinda supports the phrase of "hitting stops / stop hunting".

As I understand it, a stop loss is contingent on the SP falling to the chosen price. It is not a normal sell order. It is not an active sell order.

If it were an active sell order, it would be hit immediately because, by definition, it is below the current SP.

I would think that stop losses should be treated as confidential information, and should not be available to the sharks.

 

[MrNick]

 

[Cyw]

Brn not showing in top gainers again on comsuc!

I think since the big dump yesterday, BRN is no longera mid-cap stock according to Commsec. For small caps, you need over 20% change to make the leader board.

 

[Mugen74]

I think since the big dump yesterday, BRN is no longera mid-cap stock according to Commsec. For small caps, you need over 20% change to make the leader board.

Really ok cheers Cyw didnt realise Brn had dropped that low.

 

[Damo4]

As I understand it, a stop loss is contingent on the SP falling to the chosen price. It is not a normal sell order. It is not an active sell order.

If it were an active sell order, it would be hit immediately because, by definition, it is below the current SP.

I would think that stop losses should be treated as confidential information, and should not be available to the sharks.

Yes and no Dio, Exchanges can see all of your conditional orders, and insto's will have a knack for understanding both mental and technical prices where these stop losses may be hidden and I know for a fact some traders are incentivised to hunt these down.

 

[Diogenese]

Fair enough, just thought they had to hold their position at least 3 days, but obviously I am wrong

No - I'm wrong - I didn't know about the 3 day rule.

Nice!

 

[Dhm]

Embedded World Germany. Maybe some of our German friends can go! I wonder what the list of "Partner Booths" is? And I would love to learn about Akida 1500!

 

[Fullmoonfever]

As I understand it, a stop loss is contingent on the SP falling to the chosen price. It is not a normal sell order. It is not an active sell order.

If it were an active sell order, it would be hit immediately because, by definition, it is below the current SP.

I would think that stop losses should be treated as confidential information, and should not be available to the sharks.

Apols but poorly explained and agree with what you are saying.

I'm looking more in the daily active movements but brokers will have sell pre orders by clients at certain price points that trigger on sharp downwards moves creating a possible cascade of triggers.

 

[DingoBorat]

Essentially no imo....as an identifiable named "stop loss" anyway.

Stop losses can be a mental price point some traders keep to themselves and then place an order at mkt when SP gets near their level.

Others run trailing stops with a tolerance % / $ value to the SP and the stop will follow accordingly until gets "hit", generally in a quick move and...

Others place physical longer lasting sell orders at price points in the queue that are effectively visible.

Manipulators will also use TA to ascertain prev price points of support / resist and also volume supply/ demand areas that they can view in relation to the order book and visible sell orders already at those levels.

It does provide a guide of sorts where to look and kinda supports the phrase of "hitting stops / stop hunting".

Hey Fullmoonfever, so with what you know, would you trust placing a stop loss, of the kind that is supposed to be hidden from view, until the set price triggers it?

Do you believe, it is in fact hidden?

My assertion that it can be seen by some, is my opinion, based on other more knowledgeable opinions and the logic, that it must be in the system somewhere, as basically just a sell order.

It is not fact, but as far as I'm concerned, it is.