AVZ Discussion 2022

Samus

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Good afternoon Beish,

In my opinion, there is NO WAY that the AVZ board would contemplate even in the slightest to go into any sort of agreement/partnership with Zijin. Zijin will not have any part of Manono nor will they have anything to do with Manono!!!!
Zijin can go and get fu.ked!

Good luck to everyone as this hasn't been easy, but hopefully we are nearing the finish line!

Until next time,
Cheers Nells xxx
100% Nells. Fuck Zijin, fuck the corrupt ministers

#RDC The prosperity in all respects of the DRC will be the work of the determination of the Congolese Patriots. Let us pull ourselves together and out of a burst of pride, advocate the primacy of the interests of the DRC over any other interest. To use oneself to the detriment of the country is high treason.
 
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100% Nells. Fuck Zijin, fuck the corrupt ministers

#RDC The prosperity in all respects of the DRC will be the work of the determination of the Congolese Patriots. Let us pull ourselves together and out of a burst of pride, advocate the primacy of the interests of the DRC over any other interest. To use oneself to the detriment of the country is high treason.



Absolutely prefer no Zijin 100%!!!!!!

Come to the table with something decent???...I could accomodate that

$12....$12.....$12!!!!!
 
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Samus

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Lets just take a moment to remember who the enemy is here.

Cancellation of DATHCOM's lithium exploitation license for Manono: the ruse of Zijin and his mafiosi exposed.​

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Not a day goes by without a scandal appearing in the Democratic Republic of Congo and upsetting the tranquility of the peaceful Congolese. This is the case of the very ambiguous cancellation of DATHCOM's lithium operating license which has been in the news for several days. This soap opera is very similar to the big joke of 2009 when the Australian-Canadian First Quantum Minerals (FQM) was stripped of its mining rights in the former Katanga (Haut-Katanga and Lualaba) for the benefit of a third party , Sama Lukonde, under the reign of Félix Tshisekedi and with the same leaders in charge for more than fifteen years of the very dark mining cadastre (CAMI), which resolved to play its traditional score about the Manono lithium project in the province of Tanganyika. Worse still, the highly contested Antoinette N'Samba Kalambay, Minister of Mines, curiously, resolved to shamelessly cancel this operating permit in complete illegality, by the decree of January 28, 2023. This unfounded act of the suspension of operating permit no. 13359 of the DATHCOM Mining SA aroused great anger and disappointment among the people of Manono. Reason given by the Minister: “conflicts between shareholders”. This resonates like an insult for these populations who know well that this is not one of the reasons provided for by the mining law of the country. Having understood that there are many shadows in this matter, which study served as a basis for the argument of Cominière SA, recently in international arbitration in Paris against MMCS1. As in 2009 with FQM, AVZ is therefore suffering the martyrdom of political control over the only viable and world-class mining project of President Félix Tshisekedi's mandate.
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We know a little more about the real reasons which pushed the Government, via the Minister of Mines who seems like a simple executor of an illegal decision of the anti-patriots and sappers of the mining vision of Félix Antoine Tshisekedi, canceled, by its decree of January 28, 2023, operating permit no. 13359 relating to the Manono lithium project. As in 2009 under the reign of Kabila who withdrew from the Australian-Canadian First Quantum Minerals (FQM) all the mining rights it held on three flagship projects in Greater Katanga, namely Kinga-myambo Musonoi Tailings (KMT) became Metalkol, Frontier Sprl and the Lonshi mine for the benefit of Dan Gertler's companies,
In Kinshasa, everything is being done to push AVZ Minerals to abandon its Manono project. In ambush, there is the Chinese Zijin Mining Company which pulls the strings, ready to pull out all the stops to recover the Manono project after its 35 million US dollars, there would have been more if the security services are investigating well on statements attributed to the technical director of Cominiere, Kibeya, which circulate on social networks, for which the interim general manager of Cominière, Mwamba, is in detention after the audit report of the General Inspectorate of Finance (IGF).

It is therefore understandable why the Minister of Mines, on January 28, 2023, decided to cancel the EP granted in April 2022 to the company DATHCOM, in which AVZ Minerals is the majority shareholder. Curiously, the Minister of Mines justifies her decision by "conflicts between shareholders". A scenario that can never lead to the forfeiture of a mining right, with regard to the mining legislation in force in the Democratic Republic of Congo.

Zijin's Dark Hand
What and who does AVZ Minerals bother? Why has Kinshasa just withdrawn PE n°13359 from DATHCOM? So many questions that led Econews to take a closer look at this project proposed by the Chinese in Zijin. Through a cross-checking and investigation exercise, our editorial staff and partners came across a letter from Zijin to the general management of the Congolese mining company (Cominière SA) dated October 21, 2022.
The title of this correspondence (Cfr. extracts in facsimile), signed from the Chinese city of XIAMEN, is evocative. By this letter, signed by CHEN Jingne in his capacity as Chairman of the Board of Directors of ZijinMining Group CO. Ltd, this Chinese group accused by NGOs of Lualaba for its abuses and violations of the laws at Comus and Kamoa Copper presented to Cominière its ''partnership offer to advance the Manono lithium exploitation project''. Better an order to close the deal on the problematic $35 million.

From the outset, Zijin introduces his letter in these terms: “We are honored to send you this letter in relation to the object taken up. As a multinational mining group, Zijin Mining Group Company Ldt (abbreviated as "ZijinMining") focuses on the exploration and exploitation of gold, copper and other metallic mineral resources as well as the application and study in engineering technology, headquartered at No. 1 Zijin Avenue, Shanghang Township, Longgyan City, Fujian Province, China. It is listed on both the Hong Kong Stock Exchange (Stock Code: 2899) and the Shanghai Stock Exchange (Stock Code: 601899). Service Center, Wickhamscay II, Road Town Tortola, VG 1110. JIN CHENG Mining Limited (abbreviated as "JIN CHENG"), is a subsidiary of Zijin Mining,

The motives of Zijin Mining
Then, the letter describes all the steps taken: "Since COMINIERE and JIN CHENG concluded on September 10, 2021 a contract for the transfer of shares (the "Transfer Contract"), according to which COMINIERE transferred to JIN CHENG the 15% of shares it held in the share capital of the company DATHCOM MINING SA (abbreviated "DA-THCOM"), in return for this transfer, a payment of the amount of 33,440,000.00 USD (Thirty - three million four hundred and forty thousand US dollars) was carried out by JIN CHENG on behalf of COMINIERE (the “Sale of 15% of shares”); Considering that the Extraordinary General Meeting of DATHCOM held on November 20, 2021 approved this transaction of sale of 15% of shares, thus materializing the quality of JIN CHENG as one of the shareholders of DATHCOM; Considering that the minutes of the aforementioned Extraordinary General Meeting were notarized, deposited at the One-Stop Shop for Business Creation in Lubumbashi on November 23, 2021, and its resolutions were entered in the RCCM Register of Commerce and Credit Mobilier of the DATHCOM company; Given that the company AVZ International Pty Ltd, which is the majority shareholder in DATHCOM, noted all the resolutions adopted during the Extraordinary General Meeting of November 20, 2021 of DATHCOM, thus abusing its majority, consequently the Coordinated Articles of DATHCOM, as modified by the resolutions of the General Assembly of November 20, 2021, have not yet been signed to date; Considering that Zijin Mining, parent company of JIN CHENG, which is one of the shareholders of DATHCOM, wish to see the Manono lithium mining project develop successfully, given that the financial, technical as well as operational capacity has been demonstrated by Zijin Mining, this proves that it could move forward effectively in the construction and in the operation of the Manono lithium project; Given that the evaluation of the reserves in the PR13359 was made partially, during the transformation of the PR (Exploration Permit) into PE (Exploitation Permit), by the holder DATHCOM, who renounced the north-eastern part of the PR13359, which is the Affected Party; Given that COMINIERE's geologists have confirmed to Zijin Mining a certain mineralization potential within the scope of the Affected Party; Given that on August 15, 2022, Her Excellency the Minister of State,
In view of the foregoing, Zijin Mining then presented its offer – “the Present offer” – in the following terms: “1. A joint venture agreement (the "Joint Venture Agreement") will be entered into between a designated subsidiary of ZijinMining and COMINIERE, pursuant to which the parties will create a joint venture (the "Joint Venture"), in which the subsidiary of Zijin Mining will hold 71% of shares and COMINIÈRE 29% of shares”.

This offer concerns the northern part of Dathcom Mining SA's Manono Permit for which AVZ MInerals is Cominière's only partner to have invested expertise and money there in exploration and studies leading to the certification of the largest lithium deposit in world when La Cominière and his poor engineers at the head of the Technical Department could not imagine it.
Zijin is even more explicit: “After the creation of the Joint-Venture, COMINIERE will assign the mining right on the Target Party legally held by it to the Joint-Venture, free of any lien, charge, claim, dispute and default. The research, development and exploitation of the Covered Party will be carried out on behalf of the Joint Venture. On the date on which COMINIERE transfers the mining right of the Target Party to the Joint Venture by completing all the relevant procedures such as registration, registration and notarization, and the Joint Venture becomes the legal and effective holder of 100% of the rights and interests of the Affected Party,
Finally, Zijin concludes his letter by noting that "to avoid any ambiguity, it should be specified that if COMINIERE fails to legally and effectively Transfer the mining right of the Party Targeted to the Joint Venture, COMINIERE will not have the right to demand from JIN CHENG the retrocession of 15% of shares in DATHCOM, nor the waiver of the payment it made for the acquisition of 15% in the capital of DATIHCOM on behalf of COMINIERE”.
The letter goes further: "In application of this Office, COMINIERE will undertake to bear any income tax, stamp duty, transfer duty and any other tax or duty which may arise in the DRC and in any other country or region following the aforementioned "15% Share Retrocession", recalling that "both parties and its directors, officers, employees and agents must keep this letter and this Offer in the strictest confidence. No information, knowledge, discussions, negotiations or developments between the parties of which they are aware in connection with this Offer, the Joint Venture Agreement and all transactions and documents relating thereto will be disclosed without the prior written consent of each party. . And specify, to avoid any ambiguity: “The validity of this Offer is 60 days (“the Validity”) from the date of its receipt by COMINIERE. In the event of acceptance of this Offer by COMINIERE, the latter must acknowledge receipt and sign on the signature page before the expiry of the Validity period. Otherwise, this Offer will be considered automatically null and void, unless Zijin Mining decides otherwise”.

This is where investigators from the Court of Auditors, the internal security of the Presidency of the Republic of Jacques Tshibanda tshisekedi, the General Inspectorate of Finances of Jules Alingete Key and the National Intelligence Agency of Jean- Hervé Mbelu Biosha must snoop more closely with the Cominière, the Ministry of Portfolio, the Ministry of Mines, the Mining Cadastre, Zijin in the DRC to protect the interests of the Republic and bring to justice the accomplices in the sale of important mining assets
We understand everything when there is a deal that exists between Zijin and Cominière, millions of American dollars for illegal selling off according to the IGF. All in all, La Cominière could never conclude such a contract without the approval of its double hierarchy, namely the bosses of the Ministry of Portfolio and that of Mines. The pride of its Technical Director who is free despite the IGF Report demonstrates this. This clearly explains the decree of the Minister of Mines who will not be able to legally defend her signature before a panel of independent investigators. However, there is already an arbitration proceeding on this same mining Permit,
In reality, the Government has decided, to please the Chinese Zijin, to withdraw what rightfully belongs to DATHCOM Mining SA in which AVZ Minerals is a shareholder, as was the case with First Quantum Minerals in 2009 under Joseph Kabila by Minister Kabwelulu, for entrust it partially or entirely to the new joint venture formed between Zijin Mining Company (71% of shares) and Cominière (29%). A way to cover the 35 million USD or more disbursed by Chinese.
We therefore find ourselves with an unbalanced shareholding, to the benefit of the Chinese who already dominate the cupro-cobalt sector in a wild way. This financial package demonstrates all the mafia that surrounds this case in which the investigations of the consortium of media and NGOs working on the natural resources sector is certain to discover several corpses and skeletons in the cupboards of Congolese citizens who behave like mercenaries in the detrimental to the interests of the Republic. With these shameless practices, it is the President of the Republic who is stabbed in the back by crooked officials who undermine for prebends, as in the Mexican narcotic mafia, imposing a kind of omerta on any voice that will denounce evil .

 
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Did anyone tune in this morning? It's all in French and I did see our friend Joe talk a bit. There is a recording saved aswell.



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Lithium from the DRC: a strategic mineral against a backdrop of geopolitical conflict

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Obviously, the Congo really matters to the United States because of international geopolitics and it's not for nothing.


The country is the largest cobalt producer in the world and the largest copper producer in Africa.

That's not all: important deposits of strategic minerals are also listed in its basement.

Manono's lithium is not just of interest to China.

Canadians, Americans and Europeans are also on the go.


US INTEREST in Africa has greatly diminished in recent years.

With Joe Biden, the President of the United States, Washington wants to catch up with China and Russia, which are spectacularly extending their tentacles on the African continent.

In this American quest to regain control in Africa, the Congo, where there are large deposits of lithium and other strategic minerals, is of great importance for the Americans who seek to keep their traditional geopolitical influence there.

"Lithium is really the summary of the challenges of the world to come", resume almost in chorus of analysts.


That's for sure, and in all likelihood, investors looking to own one of the keys to the near future should flock to the metal dubbed 'white gold' or 'white oil', which is increasingly sought after and essential to successfully carry out the energy transition.

From batteries to medicines and batteries, the use of lithium has become essential in the manufacture of smartphones, computers, and especially batteries for electric cars/EVs.

As a result, the price of lithium continues to rise.

Analysts even predict that it should be multiplied by 40 by 2035, precisely because of the exploding demand.

For example, the European Commission estimates that there will not be enough lithium mined to meet needs by 2030.

And so the specter of shortages is already looming on the horizon.


Question: How much will the world need then?

For the moment, it is difficult to give a precise answer as long as we are still in the midst of speculation, conjecture... And therefore, no one really knows what the future will hold.

Curious all the same to note that the world summit on lithium which was organized on November 28 and 29, 2022 in Buenos Aires, the Argentine capital, went largely unnoticed.

However, without lithium, no energy transition (?)

The issue of lithium mining is today in a way a concentrate of the greatest geopolitical issues of the moment.

Almost everything is there.

White gold has become a crucial economic issue especially for car manufacturers and their customers who are considering owning an EV.

Ambitions of the DRC

With regard precisely to the exploitation of lithium, the Democratic Republic of Congo/DRC has wild ambitions.

The government wants to make the country a real world center for the manufacture of electric batteries.

A project that is still littered with obstacles: poor road conditions, electricity deficit, lack of transparency, corruption... :rolleyes:

Will the DRC really be, tomorrow, at the heart of the global energy transition?


In any case, this is the ambition of the country's authorities, who want to develop the country's lithium resources, by setting up an electric battery manufacturing industry there.

The country is believed to hold the largest hard rock lithium reserves ever mined in the world.

Only a reserve of 132 million tonnes has been proven and deemed probable, therefore immediately exploitable.

It is also said that the DRC has the most significant potential on the African continent, which could make it the first lithium producer in the world ahead of Australia.

AVZ Minerals, an Australian company, plans to launch in 2023 the exploitation of this deposit considered as the largest in the world, in the territory of Manono in the province of Tanganyika.

This company has been present on the site since 2016 to develop a mine.

Contemporary Amperex Technology Ltd/CATL, a Chinese group, world leader in battery manufacturing, wants to partner with AVZ Minerals through its subsidiary Suzhou Cath Energy Technologies.

CATL has put on the table $240 million for a 24% stake in the project and could spend up to $400 million in total.

The commissioning of the Manono mine is seen as a turning point by the Congolese government.

Félix Antoine Tshisekedi Tshilombo, the President of the Republic, declares loud and clear that his country is "the most competitive destination in the world" to set up battery manufacturing plants.


In figures, the DRC hopes to capture part of the 8,000 billion dollars in revenue from the sale of EVs by 2025, i.e. 46,000 billion by 2050.

Indeed, a factory located in the DRC would cost less than in the United States or China.

Governance

Manono's lithium is not only of interest to China, the world leader in battery production.

Other lithium battery factory construction projects are also supported by Canadians, Americans and Europeans.

Apparently, Westerners are beaten at the post by the Chinese.

Indeed, Joe Lowry, the founder of consulting firm Global Lithium, told the Voice of America/VOA recently that Western lithium producers have been taken aback by the growth of the EV industry, and therefore, by the lithium rush.

He pointed out that lithium has been a tiny niche market for 7 decades, and that the global market for lithium chemicals did not reach $1 billion until 2015. And for good reason, according to him, industry was unprepared for the electrification of transport.

“You can build a huge battery factory like Tesla does in a few years.

It takes up to ten years to bring a fully integrated lithium chemicals project online,” bets Joe Lowry.

After investing ahead of the resource curve outside of China, Chinese producers are turning their attention to India and Africa.

Lithium from Africa is increasingly coveted as more than half of the world's ore resources are found in South America and Australia.

Chinese conglomerate BYD, headquartered in Shenzhen, is negotiating the purchase of six new lithium mines in unspecified African countries, according to Reuters.

In Zimbabwe, which has large untapped deposits, China is buying up mines.

According to Reuters, the Zhejiang Huayou Cobalt company is investing $300 million in the Arcadia Lithium mine on the outskirts of Harare, the country's capital.

There is talk of building a processing plant for 400,000 metric tons of lithium concentrate per year.

Shenzhen Chengxin Lithium Group and Sinomine Resource Group are also investing in lithium in Zimbabwe.

This country, economically unstable and hit by Western sanctions, wants to become a major player in the flourishing lithium sector.

The Chinese company Ganfeng Lithium, which has the largest lithium production capacity in the world, will carry out in partnership with Leo Lithium Limited, an Australian firm, the first lithium mine in West Africa, in Mali. Estimated cost: more than 160 billion FCFA.

The Goulamina hard rock mine is considered one of the highest quality lithium assets in the world.

It is now that the United States also recognizes the importance of Africa.

Indeed, Africa has vast untapped energy deposits, essential for the transition to clean energy, in particular for mobile phones, aircraft engines, hybrid electric vehicles and missile guidance systems.

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SilentOne

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Good afternoon Beish,

In my opinion, there is NO WAY that the AVZ board would contemplate even in the slightest to go into any sort of agreement/partnership with Zijin. Zijin will not have any part of Manono nor will they have anything to do with Manono!!!!
Zijin can go and get fu.ked!

Good luck to everyone as this hasn't been easy, but hopefully we are nearing the finish line!

Until next time,
Cheers Nells xxx
Nells you are absolutely correct - you never invite a thief into the house - giving them a seat at the table would be somewhat cancerous and we would be eaten from the inside out. I am personally looking forward to the ICC which will put nefarious actors in the international spotlight.

The DRC cant fly around the world and sell the opportunities of long term investments if they dont enforce the laws of the land. You will end up with rampant corruption that will keep the country poor, uneducated and reliant on others.

An uneducated population become the slaves of the elite - not a very nice position to be in.

It is very very sad.

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wombat74

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I have mentioned this before, but i would really like to call Zijin bluff and stay the course with the April 2023 ICC arbitration, maybe they will pull out if they realise the weight of evidence is against them ( IGF report, AVZ strong documentation ) one of Chinas fallibility is they dont like getting embarrassed on the world stage, its a open court proceeding, not their preferred option, MMCS got embarrassed even tho no ruling as yet......;)

Will China risk a second dose ?

ICC arbitration is only 41 days away as per Spikerama daily count...........not that far away.

There is still plenty of time to "compromise" after the initial hearing, should matters not be as clear cut ....:unsure:

One way or another, you would want to see a path way to construction of RD no later than June.


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We are approaching 10 months suspended . This may seem like a stupid question , but is time a factor for AVZ ? Are we good for another 12 - 18 months of battle ?
 
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We are approaching 10 months suspended . This may seem like a stupid question , but is time a factor for AVZ ? Are we good for another 12 - 18 months of battle ?
Mentally no, financially.. maybe
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We are approaching 10 months suspended . This may seem like a stupid question , but is time a factor for AVZ ? Are we good for another 12 - 18 months of battle ?
What battle?
 
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wombat74

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What battle?
Battle may not be the right word , but someone wants what we have and we are trying to stop them from getting it .
 
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I very much doubt AVZ are communicating in any way with zijin other than telling Cominiere that they need to sort their shit out with Zijin and get the project rolling…

harmonious relations is only between shareholders of which Zijin legally are not … all that is in that pot, is Dathcom , AVZ , Cominiere and possibly Dathomir .

Zijin only conjured ICC up, in order to try and force a position for themselves at the negotiating table ; Zijins issue lies with Cominiere not AVZ ; AVZ have ROFR, it should be Cominiere that should be bringing AVZ to ICC if they have acted above board and are certain AVZ is blocking the sale; of which Zijin have only ever paid a ‘deposit’ …no sale has crossed the line.

At this stage in my view ; AVZ would be nuts to entertain anything from Zijin unless it had real financial benefit / clout to the project ; we’ve been suspended 10 months ; walk with then into ICC if they wish….

It will be interesting to see what Zijins considers their case is and what the mechanics they are running on ; I reckon it will be a wet bag of shit that Zijin , Cominiere , MoP etc would prefer never to be opened as the only thing it’s going to burn up, is a lot of reputations excluding that of AVZ; it also potentially widens the avenues up even more so , for AVZ to seek significant damages from Cominiere /Zijin ; let the lawyers become another source of revenue to the Dathcom project imo.

A couple of months I’d have been on the side of ‘let’s negotiate with Zijin’ ; it’s now March 23… ICC April 23 .. unless the board have been advised by their legal eagles to possibly consider negotiating the 15% I say fuck them and march straight to ICC.

I think the harmonious discussions need to be happening between Zijin / Cominiere and certain ministers and the best thing they can do is say amongst themselves is that ye we had a good shot at trying to steal the Manono project , but it hasn’t gone to plan and attempts to lure AVZ to the table with legal threats hasn’t worked ; but we really need to cut our loses here and pull the hand break on this ICC event which will highly likely expose how corrupt all these parties involved against AVZ have been and legal cases are likely to roll out of the AVZ legal team in gathering damages and winks
So if it goes to the ICC it means Zijin and the other Corrupt players don't give a f--k about the verdict . This is why I think it is a bad sign if this ICC case goes ahead . The next 40 days are key . IMO
 
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So if it goes to the ICC it means Zijin and the other Corrupt players don't give a f--k about the verdict . This is why I think it is a bad sign if this ICC case goes ahead . The next 40 days are key . IMO
I am with you Wombat, we need to have this sorted out before ICC. On the news front, it's extremely quiet both good/bad. We can safely assume some serious discussions are taking place behind doors.
 
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I very much doubt AVZ are communicating in any way with zijin other than telling Cominiere that they need to sort their shit out with Zijin and get the project rolling…

harmonious relations is only between shareholders of which Zijin legally are not … all that is in that pot, is Dathcom , AVZ , Cominiere and possibly Dathomir .

Zijin only conjured ICC up, in order to try and force a position for themselves at the negotiating table ; Zijins issue lies with Cominiere not AVZ ; AVZ have ROFR, it should be Cominiere that should be bringing AVZ to ICC if they have acted above board and are certain AVZ is blocking the sale; of which Zijin have only ever paid a ‘deposit’ …no sale has crossed the line.

At this stage in my view ; AVZ would be nuts to entertain anything from Zijin unless it had real financial benefit / clout to the project ; we’ve been suspended 10 months ; walk with then into ICC if they wish….

It will be interesting to see what Zijins considers their case is and what the mechanics they are running on ; I reckon it will be a wet bag of shit that Zijin , Cominiere , MoP etc would prefer never to be opened as the only thing it’s going to burn up, is a lot of reputations excluding that of AVZ; it also potentially widens the avenues up even more so , for AVZ to seek significant damages from Cominiere /Zijin ; let the lawyers become another source of revenue to the Dathcom project imo.

A couple of months I’d have been on the side of ‘let’s negotiate with Zijin’ ; it’s now March 23… ICC April 23 .. unless the board have been advised by their legal eagles to possibly consider negotiating the 15% I say fuck them and march straight to ICC.

I think the harmonious discussions need to be happening between Zijin / Cominiere and certain ministers and the best thing they can do is say amongst themselves is that ye we had a good shot at trying to steal the Manono project , but it hasn’t gone to plan and attempts to lure AVZ to the table with legal threats hasn’t worked ; but we really need to cut our loses here and pull the hand break on this ICC event which will highly likely expose how corrupt all these parties involved against AVZ have been and legal cases are likely to roll out of the AVZ legal team in gathering damages and winks
Well said @obe wan couldn't agree more. I first rang warning bells about Z early last year, and still have the mantra Z in, X out

I'm back home, on the surface nothing has progressed during my month away. Kunts. I suspect lots of paddling under the surface though.

You guys have done a terrific job pushing our barrow and exposing the criminals - strong applause from me

Now I just need to pay for my trip

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Today I had a look at the role of the International Court of Arbitration (ICC) in order to see specifically its role and the type/s of orders it can make.

Although called a court in name, the ICC does not make formal judgments on disputed matters. Instead, it exercises judicial supervision of arbitration proceedings, including ensuring procedural fairness of the negotiations, proper application of ICC rules, approving final awards and ensuring that they are robust and enforceable (My paraphrasing and emphases).


What this means is that the ICC's roles and responsibilities are different from the its sister organisation, the International Court of Cassation (France) that is the ultimate arbiter on whether the law was followed in commercial disputes. This court's decision is final.

What does this mean for AVZ and other vested parties?

Noting that negotiations are hopefully already well advanced or at least underway; it means that the ICC is the forum for AVZ to formalise any final negotiated position. In the usual manner, negotiations will be conducted off-site well in advance of the ICC hearing date. The ICC will oversee, stamp and legitimise the negotiated outcome.

That's my understanding. Others may have different views, which I respect.

Cheers
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So AVZ tables evidence of corruption, breach of contract etc and state their position that Zijin have no legal basis to claim anything.Not trying to be inflammatory, just this would be the logical outcome. How can their be any other result unless Zijin have information that we have not been given?
 
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Samus

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17 May 2021 Mining licence application lodged with drc government.

“We expect granting of the Mining Licence for the Manono Project to be expedited by the DRC Government so that we can maintain our construction schedule to deliver the first SC6 on train by Q1 2023.”

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My point is not that I want Zijin in ICC above anything else .. I just don’t want AVZ to give them anything unless we don’t have any choice.

It’s up to Zijin to decide how much of a hole in the head they want to be to all the parties which are likely to get exposed including themselves ; ideally they’d just pull the pin on the ICC case and decide that their pressure cookers didn’t have the desired effect ….
The strategy is all about time IMO. It‘s about our adversaries putting in place obstacle after obstacle to chew up time in the hope that:
  • We give up or cede ground
  • We run out of cash
  • There is some cataclysmic event e.g. ASX delisting, a helpful EGM outcome
  • There is a change of government to one more willing to do China’s evil bidding.
Arseholes.
 
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So AVZ tables evidence of corruption, breach of contract etc and state their position that Zijin have no legal basis to claim anything.Not trying to be inflammatory, just this would be the logical outcome. How can their be any other result unless Zijin have information that we have not been given?
This old news article gives a bit more insight into Zijin's arguments. Worth reading again imo.
 
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The strategy is all about time IMO. It‘s about our adversaries putting in place obstacle after obstacle to chew up time in the hope that:
  • We give up or cede ground
  • We run out of cash
  • There is some cataclysmic event e.g. ASX delisting, a helpful EGM outcome
  • There is a change of government to one more willing to do China’s evil bidding.
Arseholes.
To your last point there, it's conceivable that China, playing the long game, would sponsor DRC media activity to elect whoever they want to become their political puppet for the next presidential term (legally or through corrupt means). Worth keeping an eye on this, although I'm unsure what one could do to change it.
 
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