AVZ Discussion 2022

[Azzler]

If the DRC strips AVZ of its majority ownership of the Manono project, AVZ will launch an eye-watering multi-billion dollar damages claim in the ICC.

With this in mind, plus well-documented evidence of systematic China-DRC corruption, plus the potential death of its lithium battery aspirations, plus reputational damage ahead of national elections, I think the DRC government will not pull the plug.

Nonetheless, this is a high-stakes game of who blinks first.

Just thinking out aloud.

Cheers
F

I thought I'd do some thinking out loud if you guys don't mind, because this is very alarming news.
I'm trying to bring everything into perspective.

This move is obviously unlawful, you can't just cancel a contract unless there is an intervention decree from government.

If cominiere could throw us out with this move, they would have done it long ago.

Why do it now? An unlawful public move like this at this time can only mean utter desperation.

While the move may not be legal, it will delay this longer and longer, which is the chinese plan of attack.

If CKK is endebted to Zijin, and he promised them something, took their money and cant deliver, what does he do?

The incriminating audio of CKK might have been a warning shot from Zijin?
Get us what we want or we release more incriminating information.

Desperate moves are made by desperate people.

Not that I understand Congolese mining laws one bit, but I think the only way out of this is intervention from the President.
This move may force his hand to do just that.

CKK Needs to be arrested and replaced.

I can't imagine The MoM or the president happily waiting another 12+ months for this new drama to play out.
Enough is enough.

It's simply too damaging for them to take it all away from AVZ after the time and money invested, abiding by the laws, supporting the community, ect, ect...

Sooo just thinking out loud because I need some hope and to think things through.

Take some time out guys, this is so fucking frustrating and scary.

 

[9cardomaha]

Just the below for peer review lol;

1. the current AVZ v Cominiere case won't seek damages but just void Cominiere's attempt to kick us out, and finally put the illegal sale to ZJ to rest

2. the new ICC should supercede the one we have ZJ since it covers some of the same things - for international law this would be like double jeopardy because one ruling would determine the other (i think the rule is that which ever case is bigger, and has more parts should be heard first).

3. Our recourse if JVA is dissolved, would be to sue the DRC government - that is when we would seek damages and lost potential, amounting to 100 years of DRC national GDP (my maths is bad, but this checks out)

 

[Flight996]

I think these boneheads only think about themselves and want to line their own pockets . If it looks like we will continue down this path then either cut a deal (if that's possible ) of sue them on the world stage now . Lets not wait going through this BS for another 18 months . Lets do in now . Put the cards on the table now .

I think the cards are on the table, and negotiations on-going.

In poker parlez, AVZ just saw and raised the bet.

Cheers
F

 

[JNRB]

If the DRC strips AVZ of its majority ownership of the Manono project, AVZ will launch an eye-watering multi-billion dollar damages claim in the ICC.

With this in mind, plus well-documented evidence of systematic China-DRC corruption, plus the potential death of its lithium battery aspirations, plus reputational damage ahead of national elections, I think the DRC government will not pull the plug.

Nonetheless, this is a high-stakes game of who blinks first.

Just thinking out aloud.

Cheers
F

US - Alright DRC, we'll help you guys out, but you gotta stop all this corruption shit.
DRC - OK but just let us do this one last thing really quick
US - Is it super corrupt
DRC - .....
US - Well?
(DRC leans over and whispers with China, China hands DRC a crudely written note under the table)
DRC - .....define 'corrupt'?
US - Is that your answer or China's answer?
DRC - ... ours?
US - Answer's still No.

 

[Azzler]

I think the cards are on the table, and negotiations on-going.

In poker parlez, AVZ just saw and raised the bet.

Cheers
F

Yes, I feel this now that you mention it.
The way the announcement was worded was almost like a confident poker move.

 

[Azzler]

Jens seems pretty confident and unshaken.
Take that however you will.

Me I'm a little shaken

 

[Winenut]

I'm exhausted....

 

[Mickyb64]

I'm exhausted....

100% mentally exhausted.

 

[Misfits]

wow MB!!!! A lot of material there.

 

[wombat74]

Jens seems pretty confident and unshaken.
Take that however you will.

Me I'm a little shaken

Cominiere terminated our JVA (illegally) . If we have to take them to court to have it recognised as BS , how can they award us with the ML ? What Cominere have done is effectively taken the the ML off the table for about the next 18 months . Stall tactics . CKK is a Chinese puppet . Unless the MoM or Felix step in and help us we will continue to push sh1t up hill and run out of time and money . Hopefully Nigel is giving them something serious to think about .

 

[Azzler]

Cominiere terminated our JVA (illegally) . If we have to take them to court to have it recognised as BS , how can they award us with the ML ? What Cominere have done is effectively taken the the ML off the table for about the next 18 months . Stall tactics . CKK is a Chinese puppet . Unless the MoM or Felix step in and help us we will continue to push sh1t up hill and run out of time and money . Hopefully Nigel is giving them something serious to think about . A few Chess moves .

It's equivelant of flipping the game board.

Intervention is the only way forward, at least that's how it appears to me.

 

[wombat74]

Any guesses what headline Tommy the Turd will use for his next article in about 4 hours time . Let me guess :' DRC Terminates AVZ Joint Venture Agreement '.

 

[9cardomaha]

Any guesses what headline Tommy the Turd will use for his next article in about 4 hours time . Let me guess :' DRC Terminates AVZ Joint Venture Agreement '.

AFR apologizes for misleading and bias reports, fires Tom Richardson for colluding with the Chinese

 

[MoneyBags1348]

Any guesses what headline Tommy the Turd will use for his next article in about 4 hours time . Let me guess :' DRC Terminates AVZ Joint Venture Agreement '.

Probably one of yours, he likes saying it’s all doom and gloom for AVZ

 

[cruiser51]

I'm exhausted....

have a whine

 

[Mr Inappropriate]

One question:
Is anyone aware of the factual reason(s) provided by the government to Dathcom as to why the ML has not been issued?


One observation;
The ICC route will take forever. Only the president’s intervention will change our trajectory.

 

[MoneyBags1348]

One question:
Is anyone aware of the factual reason(s) provided by the government to Dathcom as to why the ML has not been issued?


One observation;
The ICC route will take forever. Only the president’s intervention will change our trajectory.

Possibly Tshisekedi told Lukonde to tell Kayinda to tell to tell N’samba to tell Mupande not to calculate the surface rights fees

 

[Mr Inappropriate]

Is there an English version of the Dathcom JV agreement floating around?

 

[Chase]

Your a cunt Teabag Tommy in advance

 

[wombat74]

Probably one of yours, he likes saying it’s all doom and gloom for AVZ

I'm not doom and gloom . Never have been . I am a realist . I don't want to lose my money just like everyone else doesn't . The articles you dig up just emphasis the negativity anyway . Those articles past and present just remind us of what a f--ked up the Country it is and the situation we find ourselves in . You had me on ignore . What happened ?