AVZ Discussion 2022

[John Reed]

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Yep Nigel would have to prioritise the expectations of the Australian jurisdiction. Do the Congolese understand that?

We are supposed to understand their unofficial way.

 

[John Reed]

AUKUS, Assange, and the seething pathologies of the American Security State

We are permitting ourselves no character of our own under the architecture of the Alliance. It means weve accepted the status of a kind of client state, or American territory. I wont say the 51st state. It means weve got even less independence than a US governor would have, former Australian...

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Just shows how public opinion matters.

Perhaps ICC matters. DRC can’t expect financial aid and not follow International law.

Yes, early on in Tshisekedi’s presidency he was making all the right moves with EU and for massive funding.

Is he still on that track? Or is Manono too hard?

Certainly the IGF calling out the criminality of Cominiere and no follow through on prosecution even a stand down, is perplexing and illogical.

Only AFR and Congo mafia is ignoring it

 

[John Reed]

Listen buddy - in your dogmas you don’t understand anything you haven’t learned is not to attack me with your paranoid diatribes.


A “class action”, please explain this one. This is new.

I wouldn’t take his bait, his checking you out.
Overall like some here, I see your multiple aliases as actually just working out where the truth is and it has been overwhelming. The Cong association is worrisome however what did you mean last year on these threads, by helping Cong?

 

[Carlos Danger]

Was AVZ hiding bad news?
Yes.

If yes, was it legitimate to hide?
Yes and No.

Are the arguments for non-disclosure by an ASX company based purely on whether a 3rd or 2nd party is acting within or outside the law.
NO.

Do you still believe this?

If not, why not?

 

[John Reed]

The thing is, I am aware of all that. I am also aware of your constant undermining of AVZ exec’s and BOD and your efforts to encourage a movement against them as well as your efforts encouraging a class action against them.

At the present time we are fighting WITH the company, against a number of corrupt and bribed entities in the DRC and China while YOU continue to undermine us.

No one has forgotten about your relationship with Simon Cong and no one has forgotten about the aliases you use. I’m pretty sure you sold shares then either bought or borrowed more.

One thing is crystal clear, you are not here to support shareholders or AVZ

Hey bhags
I think it’s unfair to disparage Der Geist by saying he is constantly undermining BoD. This is simply not true. I just think he speaks his mind and if you’ve been around long enough (criteria: since AVZ picked up Manono) all that he has said has been fair criticism. All the questions on disclosure have been valid. We just don’t like it. Naturally.

At time of AGM the last time Der Geist was here he was simply emboldening shareholders to be ready to stand their ground with a management used to steering down ‘disloyalty’. You’ve also expressed discontent with management so I don’t see why you’re holding Der Geist to a higher standard of examination. It’s because he is seen as a threat and why would he still be a threat. Is there something else we don’t know?

 

[MoneyBags1348]

Listen buddy - in your dogmas you don’t understand anything you haven’t learned is not to attack me with your paranoid diatribes.


A “class action”, please explain this one. This is new.

I’m not your buddy, Cong is remember….

Of course you didn’t offer to help Cong lodge papers with ASIC or encourage shareholders to do the same

And of course you didn’t contact Tom Richardson to give him information

And of course you didn’t forge / construct a fake post by me last year

And of course you didn’t do these things ahead of the Omni Bridgeway class action offer

Only thing is that I have all the evidence to show that you did all those things

And @John Reed you might as well piss off, if you are not another der geist alias. Together you two remind me of a barrel with two half witted monkey’s

 

[Der Geist]

Do you still believe this?

If not, why not?

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I try to maintain confidentiality of my sources and I am sure they greatly appreciate it. What I said there in first screenshot - anyone who knows something that is not public domain will know where this is coming from

Those screenshotted views are consistent with today’s text input above.

It occurred to me just today, that the ASX must have been handed a copy of the documents Tom mentions to stockswami, but there was no ASX Query. What does this mean?

Eckhoff said “they” ( Cong et al ) had no response from ASIC or ASX. I think Cong said same. This is important to know. That means ASX and ASIC knew even before Tom or me what was happening — there was no ASX query in months after the Lubumbashi court actions in January and February 2022 — this is a powerful optic for shareholders to elaborate on on social media because it means the ASX and ASIC was cooperating in some way with AVZ— because precedent has been for ASX to slam AVZ as it did in 2018 and even around the TIA with CATH (—ASX was fuming about reference to 10mtpa plans but couldn’t do anything about it—). Likely, the Australian embassy and its 5 Eyes hotline would be monitoring is a reasonable assumption to draw and on Congolese politics.
In all likelihood, the Omnibridgeway threat of it emerged as having issued a NoC could be undermined if AVZ can demonstrate it had discretionary support to test disclosure tests for “suppositionality” because the Congolese government was onboard trying to snuff out internal malfeasance on the Dathcom project. This would improve confidence among regulators and the Australian Government that AVZ has acted well in shareholder interests in extremely adverse ‘agitations’. AVZ is naturally a part of US interests to counter China. Even if US wants to knock AVZ off as well. We can’t rest thinking anyone is our friend but it’s clear AVZ has the rapport with Manono people that has seasoned well over 6 years.

Despite all that, simply speaking AVZ shareholders have a right to know about anything that may materially affect the progress of the project and would it induce a reasonable person to sell or buy. Truth is, knowing how Cong was targeting Graeme was clearly worth disclosing under ASX rules but at the same time, to do so would slide further into blackmail and a worse situation. Indeed AVZI likely made offers to settle with Dathomir to move on. But if Cong knows one thing is a fish market haggle skill set. Cong though would be fearful of all that has passed, because he was already seen as a PEP; politically exposed person. Likewise Loando. They both May survive this current fiasco but massive injustices will mean karma will bite these miscreants as well

 

[Flight996]

Do you still believe this?

If not, why not?

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Carlos

Just ignore him. He's just fishing with deliberately obtuse language, and is clearly clueless. He doesn't even know the difference between Australia's market operator and Australia's market regulator.

Cheers
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[Der Geist]

the Omnibridgeway threat of it emerged as having issued a NoC could be undermined

Typos: …if it emerges..

 

[Der Geist]

Carlos is intelligent. He just wants the truth as he said

 

[Bray]

Has anyone contacted Top 20 shareholders to get their opinions on all this
I’m sure internally they are communicating with each other but what about us smaller fellas reaching out

 

[Der Geist]

You’re not my buddy, Cong is remember….

Of course you didn’t offer to help Cong lodge papers with ASIC or encourage shareholders to do the same

And of course you didn’t contact Tom Richardson to give him information

And if course you didn’t forge / construct a
fake post by me last year

And of course you didn’t do these things ahead of the Omni Bridgeway class action offer

Only thing is that I have all the evidence to show that you did

And @John Reed you might as well piss off, if you are not another der geist alias. Together you two remind me of a barrel with two half witted monkey’s

Present your evidence.

As for the fake post, ever thought it might have been just a technical glitch— you are very sensitive very judgmental, and I can see why managment stopped talking yo you.

Point is here, if you want to keep challenging my you will undermine the company.

I am not here to discuss the company. Take a look. Everyone knows what the company has done and hasn’t done now

 

[John Reed]

You’re not my buddy, Cong is remember….

Of course you didn’t offer to help Cong lodge papers with ASIC or encourage shareholders to do the same

And of course you didn’t contact Tom Richardson to give him information

And if course you didn’t forge / construct a
fake post by me last year

And of course you didn’t do these things ahead of the Omni Bridgeway class action offer

Only thing is that I have all the evidence to show that you did

And @John Reed you might as well piss off, if you are not another der geist alias. Together you two remind me of a barrel with two half witted monkey’s

you’re being a bully.

 

[Der Geist]

I wouldn’t take his bait, his checking you out.
Overall like some here, I see your multiple aliases as actually just working out where the truth is and it has been overwhelming. The Cong association is worrisome however what did you mean last year on these threads, by helping Cong?

Inviting him to share more on where things were at and to verify claims him a his lawyer stated. Any shareholder worth their salt in a risky jurisdiction should be doing the same.

Why does Bhags think I have anything on AVZ that would be useful. Obviously I am just as clueless as Flight966 says.

It’s worth recalling how much AVZ was in denial leading up to the May 4 announcement to understand that there was a question of how much was being hidden. Hidden in your favour or not? Moneybhags would like to think ‘not’? Good on him. It’s not my style after WFE and it’s why I didn’t get caught in this suspension.
All those who are embittered against me ask yourself should you have listened between April 30 and May 10? It takes time to reflect on errors. This is because of the power of certainty in our psyche.” Makes us sit on a rock and often complacently

 

[Carlos Danger]

Those screenshotted views are consistent with today’s text input above.

Never said it wasn't. Just wanted you to elaborate. Appreciate your detailed response.

 

[Carlos Danger]

Carlos is intelligent

 

[ptlas]

The thing is, I am aware of all that. I am also aware of your constant undermining of AVZ exec’s and BOD and your efforts to encourage a movement against them as well as your efforts encouraging a class action against them.

At the present time we are fighting WITH the company, against a number of corrupt and bribed entities in the DRC and China while YOU continue to undermine us.

No one has forgotten about your relationship with Simon Cong and no one has forgotten about the aliases you use. I’m pretty sure you sold shares then either bought or borrowed more.

One thing is crystal clear, you are not here to support shareholders or AVZ

Well said MB

Could everyone stop asking Der Geist what they think about....?

Just gives them undeserved kudos

 

[cruiser51]

Well said MB

Could everyone stop asking Der Geist what they think about....?

Just gives them undeserved kudos

 

[Carlos Danger]

Could everyone stop asking Der Geist what they think about....?

Thing is @Der Geist brings receipts unlike 99% of people in this shit show. Personally I give zero fucks about his intentions if he can back up what he is saying. My only complaint is I'd rather him stick to one account than this weird Mick Foleyesque multiple angle crap we're getting. Maybe that's a condition of him being back here. It's not a coincidence that multiple posts were moderated concerning him recently and yesterday we all got a reminder of the rules imo

What he has said today only backs up management's decisions about disclosure. Overall he has shown a willingness to change opinions based on new information and I respect that. Especially as someone that crapped on about lions all summer. Although the main reason I did that was to try and take heat off the board that people like him were applying. But it's not like he ever promised us champagne at Christmas 2021 like they did.

 

[BEISHA]

Without prejudice.

I made a draft, and will go over it tomorrow— tomorrow is not far away….

Main take away is, AVZ should not have to arbitrate with Cominiere. This is total bullshit.
How can the MoM talk about “harmony” when the IGF is shouting from the rooftops the defrauding of the State.

Someone made MoM write that, surely.

All this points to how weak the Tshisekedi coalition is. And the Chinese are exploiting it! they are owning the ministers THEY are attempting a coup on a so called sovereign state!

Irony is Yibin wanted AVZ to take control of Dathcom, and this is one of the causes of friction— why isn’t Yibin looking after the brown paper bags???

Chinese have been corroding AVZ’s management all along in my view. Even the hydroxide pivot away from EU to in-country (a country not ready) are all attempts to interfere and undermine confidence in AVZ when all AVZ has to do was start a 2mtpa SC6 facility and slowly but carefully ramp it up. Nigel got that idea right. “Walk before run”

So postponing on Zijjn matter at ICC is very suspicious.

If AVZ got a win against Zijin at ICC that just defuses the whole Congolese drive so the cynical question is, from what other avenue will Zijin et al try to undermine from next.
This is why fighting the Congolese when bombs should dropped on the Chinese embassy is what should really be happening.

Thankyou for the belated reply, nice clear english btw...

Your POV up to this point mirrors my thoughts and plenty of others on this forum.

a) MOM.........." harmony " complete BS, unlawful, a juxtapositition in the backdrop of the IGF report

b) Piss weak Tshisekedi Govt

c) Chinese owning DRC ministers / exploitation / Coup / steal

d) Zijin v AVZ ICC deliberation.............suss as all hell, long drawn out game being applied

So what likely conclusion do you see regards to this long drawn out impasse between AVZ / DRC / CHINA regards to Manono ?

a) Will FT finally bow to the IGF report and the power of the common folk who want to see AVZ construct / produce at RD not ZIJIN...........with a election coming in the next 7 months , intervene and award AVZ the ML and its 100% rights to CDL ?

b) Or, will compromises have to be made from all parties ?

c) Is there a possibility of a TO and with whom ?

d) Or will the long game persist and AVZ gets stripped from Dathcom , told to fuck off , with DRC remaining a slave to China, becoming a pariah state with no international coy wanting to be part of the precedence ?

This topic is the hot potato that everyone has been discussing on this forum in your absence, not AVZ lack of disclosure, which most folk here would admit is suss as all hell and which i am certain will be dealt with if ( D ) comes to fruition....

I get the impression your ear is alot closer to the ground than most of us , so i am eager to know your thoughts.


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