AVZ Discussion 2022

[Strongman]

Anyone have any news re the progression of the current negotiations ?

Yes unfortunately and apologies if this has been sent prior.....




Not sure we are going to see a deal for some time yet, rwanda looking for a win win, circumstances not to their liking......

Or is this fake news ?

Bring on ICSID regardless, time AVZ applies the bunsen burner

Just another....

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Hi Beisha thanks for posting the vid. It is one i had not seen before and certainally seems to point to a much longer time frame with regards to the signing of the peace security minerals deal
When AVZ announced the suspension of the ICSID for 23 rd i was a little surprised given the proposed signing of the peace accord in the week of the 16 th. This date (the 16th) was incredibly ambitious from Massad Boulos and his team and definately had high chance of dragging out for some time. Now we see the Chinese somehow involved and Kabila stirring up the pot as well as no doubt all the other bad actors we all know to well trying to derail the whole peace security minerals deal.
My thoughts are why would Nigel only suspend ICSID for 1 month when there was a very high chance that the security minerals deal wouldnt get done within the 1 month . I like most others here i think was of the view that our sale agreement with Kobold was beholden to the signing of the security minerals deal and with this in mind i went back and reread the ICSID suspension announcement, the original joint press release of the sale framework agreement and the Avz announcement confirming it. Particularly regarding the ICSID suspension i now beleive that it is quite possible that it is actually saying the sale agreement being finalised is actually a precursor to and part of the security minerals deal not in addition to or as a result of it. If that is the case then it is definately still possible the deal will be done irrespective of the security minerals deal
Felix initially approached the US with the minerals security deal proposal given the very real threat posed by M23. If Rawanda wont play the game US through training logistics etc for FARDC and Erik Prince could certainaly provide security for western aligned mining operations and help with tax collection etc as well as contain the M23 to eastern DRC . Rawanda in the interim would be bled dry by the US and eventually brought to heel
Just my thoughts....fingers crossed

 

[Mouthpiecenomnom]

This isn't based on any intel, just my opinion.

But I don't believe the Kobald deal is dependent on Rwanda signing a peace deal.
Despite what August reports on X, and respect to him, but I disagree.

I think the US have contingencies for this not happening, I was massively skeptical from the start that these 2 nations who hate each other to death more than anything else, would sign a peace agreement in 30 days.
Now that I think about it, that short time frame was probably done because the US didn't think they would even if they gave it 5 years, so in order not to waste time, at least they can say they gave them every opportunity.

What the f-*k do you want Rwanda? Oh playing silly buggers?

The US would have expected this. DRC reps would have made it clear this was going to happen.

They offered the carrot......

 

[KentCStrait]

Despite what August reports on X, and respect to him, but I disagree.

I don’t think he deserves respect at this point—he’s carried on for years like he’s in the room, but he’s not. He simply speculates with confidence, and so many people have been misled by it. His track record speaks for itself, and honestly, I think he’s full of shit.

 

[Shire]

Africa!

 

[Shire]

Ready to apologise yet?

Tic toc @Maximus

Did @Winenut apologise too early?

 

[Azzler]

Might be worth reminding him that if it happens again, then I have a fully functional Forum (with no ads) ready to accept all TSE migrants. Starting with AVZers and then I will approach the other Ticker's threads and welcome them to have their own space as well.

Great to hear you had gone to the efforts of getting a new home ready for us mate.
Much respect.

 

[Azzler]

This isn't based on any intel, just my opinion.

But I don't believe the Kobald deal is dependent on Rwanda signing a peace deal.
Despite what August reports on X, and respect to him, but I disagree.

I think the US have contingencies for this not happening, I was massively skeptical from the start that these 2 nations who hate each other to death more than anything else, would sign a peace agreement in 30 days.
Now that I think about it, that short time frame was probably done because the US didn't think they would even if they gave it 5 years, so in order not to waste time, at least they can say they gave them every opportunity.

The DRC just want Rwanda out, and if the reports are true, the troops are leaving now.
The US just need to help get Rwanda out, and I believe that is the real requirements for the DRC to agree to the Kobald deal.
I think the USA are going to get this minerals deal done no matter what these retarded nations ruled by babies do, they're determined and are moving fast.

Again this is just my musings on the topic.

P.S. It's so nice to have civilized conversations in a protected place again with all of you wonderful people
P.P.S. Conspiracy time.... The Chinese or those aligned with them poisoned Kagame to slow the process down.

To add to this, it just occurred to me that the peace signing between the DRC and Rwanda, was probably the USA's idea, and likely had to push the DRC for it to be a part of the deal.

The USA need legals and optics to be seen to be doing things above board, to show results. Trump already bragged about bringing peace to the DRC. But it really needs to be official.
Otherwise them having operatives in Africa feels a bit off, like siding militarily to the DRC.
If a peace deal is signed, then the US opposing any M23 activity in the DRC is not an act against Rwanda, it's providing security for their own mineral supply in the DRC against terrorists.

The DRC want Rwanda out but fucked if they want to shake hands with their enemy, they hate them like nothing else.

So the point I'm making here is that if this is the case, then the DRC would not be insisting that the peace agreement must be signed before they approve the AVZ/Kobald deal.

Again this is just more speculation from me, but what else are we meant to talk about?

 

[BEISHA]

Hi Beisha thanks for posting the vid. It is one i had not seen before and certainally seems to point to a much longer time frame with regards to the signing of the peace security minerals deal
When AVZ announced the suspension of the ICSID for 23 rd i was a little surprised given the proposed signing of the peace accord in the week of the 16 th. This date (the 16th) was incredibly ambitious from Massad Boulos and his team and definately had high chance of dragging out for some time. Now we see the Chinese somehow involved and Kabila stirring up the pot as well as no doubt all the other bad actors we all know to well trying to derail the whole peace security minerals deal.
My thoughts are why would Nigel only suspend ICSID for 1 month when there was a very high chance that the security minerals deal wouldnt get done within the 1 month . I like most others here i think was of the view that our sale agreement with Kobold was beholden to the signing of the security minerals deal and with this in mind i went back and reread the ICSID suspension announcement, the original joint press release of the sale framework agreement and the Avz announcement confirming it. Particularly regarding the ICSID suspension i now beleive that it is quite possible that it is actually saying the sale agreement being finalised is actually a precursor to and part of the security minerals deal not in addition to or as a result of it. If that is the case then it is definately still possible the deal will be done irrespective of the security minerals deal
Felix initially approached the US with the minerals security deal proposal given the very real threat posed by M23. If Rawanda wont play the game US through training logistics etc for FARDC and Erik Prince could certainaly provide security for western aligned mining operations and help with tax collection etc as well as contain the M23 to eastern DRC . Rawanda in the interim would be bled dry by the US and eventually brought to heel
Just my thoughts....fingers crossed

Good points, hopefully we get another formal announcement from our BOD as to where things are , come closer to @Spikerama count down.

 

[j.l]

Tic toc @Maximus

Did @Winenut apologise too early?

Hey 13 days, come on

Wait for Tim!

 

[Shire]

Hey 13 days, come on

Wait for Tim!

 

[wombat74]

Good points, hopefully we get another formal announcement from our BOD as to where things are , come closer to @Spikerama count down.

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In the meantime .

 

[Hodlandwin69]

To be fair, if Kagame did die, I think that's a valid reason for a short delay in peace agreements

 

[rocknrolla]

IMO if Rwanda doesn't play ball the USA will be make play ball. This deal ensures the states ability to access a range of resources for their future. Those standing in the way will conform. The alternative is Chinese corruption.

 

[Samus]

Probably murdered by the Chinese if he's dead.

Anyway anything that comes out of Africa can be taken with a pinch of dog shit. Imo.

 

[Hodlandwin69]

Probably murdered by the Chinese if he's dead.
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Anyway anything that comes out of Africa can be taken with a pinch of dog shit. Imo.

Maybe murdered by the USA for delaying peace agreements, or maybe murdered by China for going through with peace agreements

 

[j.l]

Maybe murdered by the USA for delaying peace agreements, or maybe murdered by China for going through with peace agreements

Speaking of leaders dying, looks as though Xi will resign as President due to "ill health" in the next few weeks...

 

[aon]

To add to this, it just occurred to me that the peace signing between the DRC and Rwanda, was probably the USA's idea, and likely had to push the DRC for it to be a part of the deal.

The USA need legals and optics to be seen to be doing things above board, to show results. Trump already bragged about bringing peace to the DRC. But it really needs to be official.
Otherwise them having operatives in Africa feels a bit off, like siding militarily to the DRC.
If a peace deal is signed, then the US opposing any M23 activity in the DRC is not an act against Rwanda, it's providing security for their own mineral supply in the DRC against terrorists.

The DRC want Rwanda out but fucked if they want to shake hands with their enemy, they hate them like nothing else.

So the point I'm making here is that if this is the case, then the DRC would not be insisting that the peace agreement must be signed before they approve the AVZ/Kobald deal.

Again this is just more speculation from me, but what else are we meant to talk about?

"The DRC want Rwanda out but fucked if they want to shake hands with their enemy, they hate them like nothing else."

Well, that is really good news for us I guess, if your correct, you're saying the DRC hate Rwanda possibly more than they hate AVZ! (which is well documented) so...... I guess if the DRC could find more entities to hate, maybe they would learn to love AVZ, and we could all live happily ever after.

ps sry couldn't find a little emoji pig that flied, maybe this flying fairy will suffice

 

[Spikerama]

Speaking of leaders dying, looks as though Xi will resign as President due to "ill health" in the next few weeks...

Hasn't been licking mushrooms has he?

 

[j.l]

Hasn't been licking mushrooms has he?

"Beef Xi" doesn't quite have the same ring to it as "Beef Wellington", does it?

 

[aon]

Hasn't been licking mushrooms has he?

Oh gosh, we are on a roll, I'm so upset by this tragic news, that the f## c@@$ ..g may not be with us much longer, I'm off to the local boozer for a VB to hope for his imminent demise I meant to say for a quick recovery for our good friend