AVZ Discussion 2022

Flight996

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In November 2021, at the DRC-Africa Business Forum during the lithium price surge and six months before AVZ delisted, Félix Tshisekedi presented his country as Africa's ideal high-tech/battery manufacturing hub...noting his country's vast mineral resources, well-established mining legislation, business-friendly environment and skilled labour force.

He further emphasised his country's competitive advantage in the electric vehicle battery value chain as "...the most competitive destination for investments in batteries for electric cars."

Fast forward four years, and despite endless spruiking, the DRC remains to same aid-dependent cesspool of corruption, cronyism and grinding poverty. Little of the billions received from (mostly) Chinese mining licences and royalties has found its way to rebuilding the DRC's crumbling infrastructure or desperately needed community projects.

Instead, funds are skimmed before they get to treasury, wasted on pet political projects or simply pilfered by Felix and his entourage of like-minded kleptocrats.

Despite confidence returning to the LCE market, and spot prices again climbing past $US8,000/t, it is not surprising that potential suitors for AVZ's Manono assets remain nervous about the DRC, and are prepared to offer only a proportion of Manono's true value. Until there is certainty around ownership of Manono's mineral rights, potential suitors will probably keep their hands and their money in their pockets.

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Apologies if it's been mentioned recently, but when does the framework agreement expire/did it have an expiry? Or was it indefinite until either party terminated the agreement? Just can't remember :unsure:

 
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wombat74

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In November 2021, at the DRC-Africa Business Forum during the lithium price surge and six months before AVZ delisted, Félix Tshisekedi presented his country as Africa's ideal high-tech/battery manufacturing hub...noting his country's vast mineral resources, well-established mining legislation, business-friendly environment and skilled labour force.

He further emphasised his country's competitive advantage in the electric vehicle battery value chain as "...the most competitive destination for investments in batteries for electric cars."

Fast forward four years, and despite endless spruiking, the DRC remains to same aid-dependent cesspool of corruption, cronyism and grinding poverty. Little of the billions received from (mostly) Chinese mining licences and royalties has found its way to rebuilding the DRC's crumbling infrastructure or desperately needed community projects.

Instead, funds are skimmed before they get to treasury, wasted on pet political projects or simply pilfered by Felix and his entourage of like-minded kleptocrats.

Despite confidence returning to the LCE market, and spot prices again climbing past $US8,000/t, it is not surprising that potential suitors for AVZ's Manono assets remain nervous about the DRC, and are prepared to offer only a proportion of Manono's true value. Until there is certainty around ownership of Manono's mineral rights, potential suitors will probably keep their hands and their money in their pockets.

Cheers
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Why did Kobold acknowledge AVZ's legal rights ? Why did kobold commit $1 Billion usd to the development of Roche Dure? Has a deal already been done between Kobold /DRC ? Meaning Kobold (other than Zijin ) are the only horse allowed in this race ?
 
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What's this Partnership ? A Partnership in what? Isn't Kobold an explorer ? Don't they need to find something first ? Chances are they will find SFA . So a partnership in SFA . What's Kobold waiting for ? They have the backing of the DRC government . The President has said it himself .So make an acceptable offer FFS.
After failing to secure RD Kobold has been granted exploration leases around Manono. They have also undertaken to upgrade and digitise DRCs Mining Cadastre. There's a third element of their deal with DRC but can't remember.
 

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Seems to be its over
 

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Do tell...
DRC agreed with Kobald
DRC agreed with Zijn
The divide the north and the south...
DRC don't agree with us...they put the button in ignore.

Evrything happend in the DRC but nothing with AVZ
 
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DRC agreed with Kobald
DRC agreed with Zijn
The divide the north and the south...
DRC don't agree with us...they put the button in ignore.

Evrything happend in the DRC but nothing with AVZ

No way that Kobold is going to do anything in the south as long there is a pending court decision.
 
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After failing to secure RD Kobold has been granted exploration leases around Manono. They have also undertaken to upgrade and digitise DRCs Mining Cadastre. There's a third element of their deal with DRC but can't remember.
Cheers . Yes it's small fry stuff with a sh1tload of uncertainty . A mammoth set back from taking over the biggest lithium deposit on the planet . I have my strong doubts Kobold have given up on Roche Dure . Their last attempt was a DRC/Kobold collusion set up/stitch up attempt that failed imo .We can give them a small victory in luring / tricking Nigel into suspending ICSID . The DRC/Kobold goal to frustrate AVZ so badly , that Nigel throws the towel in and accepts the offer . Of course I'm speculating , but if it looks like a turd ,and it smells like a turd , it's probably a turd . imo
 
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After failing to secure RD Kobold has been granted exploration leases around Manono. They have also undertaken to upgrade and digitise DRCs Mining Cadastre. There's a third element of their deal with DRC but can't remember.
No way that Kobold is going to do anything in the south as long there is a pending court decision.
Cheers . Yes it's small fry stuff with a sh1tload of uncertainty . A mammoth set back from taking over the biggest lithium deposit on the planet . I have my strong doubts Kobold have given up on Roche Dure . Their last attempt was a DRC/Kobold collusion set up/stitch up attempt imo .
The agreement has been published on multiple platforms including this forum
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We can give them a small victory in luring / tricking Nigel into suspending ICSID
No we can’t. Unless you think you understand the ICSID process better than DLA Piper imo
 
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No we can’t. Unless you think you understand the ICSID process better than DLA Piper imo
Meaning "they" (DRC) see it is a victory . Stalling /Cash burn / frustration . Rinse and repeat . Yes more ammo for DLA Piper at the ICSID if the DRC/China give a FF .Kobold need to up their offer and stop f--king around . IMO
 
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The agreement has been published on multiple platforms including this forum
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Yeah so much of that agreement is just more DRC bullshit isn’t it

Look at the point 3. under Therefore

3. The DRC shall support the initiative of KoBold to buy and develop Roche Dure

…. What a load of bullshit. All the DRC had to do for that was grant us the exploitation permit for Roche Dure. Even after AVZ suspended our ICSID arbitration in good faith the lies and corruption continued and laughably (and unsurprisingly) they excluded AVZ from the discussions.

Originally KoBold wanted Cominiere excluded from the project, now they are trying to portray Cominiere as a safe partner for investment because KoBold needs other investors to raise the funds needed to pay AVZ fair value.

It looks like KoBold has been sucked into the same DRC shitfuckery that we have been witnessing for the last 3 years 👇


And now KoBold are completely compromised 👇

OUR STANDARDS​

KoBold’s 6 ethics. These are crucial areas where businesses often fall short.​

KoBold is a young company. We’re not only inventing new science to discover critical materials; we’re building a company that’s a force for good.

02

Anti-Corruption​

KoBold will never pay a bribe. We will walk away from deals, discoveries, and whole countries rather than participate in corruption. We will show that the world’s best investors and the world’s best innovators don’t tolerate corruption.

06​

Integrity​

At KoBold, you will find a passion to be honest about everything: good news, bad news, what we know, and what we don’t. Even when we operate in sixty countries on six continents, honesty will be the language that everyone at KoBold speaks.

230704-ONSITE-Mining-Workers-from-Below-at-Night-Holding-Drill-Pieces-AI-enlarged-300x197.jpeg


"We know that meeting KoBold’s high ethical standards is hard. It’s as hard as inventing breakthrough technology. To us, it’s just as essential."

2022
The Inspector General of Finance provided evidence showing Cominiere’s sale of shares to Zijin subsidiary Jin Cheng was corrupt, illegal and fraudulent 👇

https://static1.squarespace.com/sta...f+DRC+Mining+Assets+by+COMINIERE+SA+-+ENG.pdf

2023
The International Chamber of Commerce ordered Cominiere not to take any action towards terminating the Dathcom JV with AVZ and should Cominiere violate the ICC orders it would be subject to a penalty of €50,000 per day

https://static1.squarespace.com/sta...rable+Ruling+in+ICC+Emergency+Arbitration.pdf

2023
The ICC ordered Cominiere not to take any steps to explore or exploit (directly or indirectly) within PR13359 and PR15775.

The ICC concluded that Cominiere violated ICC orders, deliberately concealed evidence and ordered Cominiere to now pay penalties of €100,000 per day for violating additional ICC orders

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5934d2ae6b8f5beeb5ba23f3/t/6556c81619b89256c649135d/1700186135012/20231117+-+ASX+AVZ+Successfully+Restrains+Cominière+and+Additional+ICC+Arbitration+Updates.pdf

2024
ICSID orders the DRC to re-establish Dathcom as the holder of PR13359 and Cominiere to refrain from taking any act likely to call into question PR13359

https://static1.squarespace.com/sta...+AVZ+Successful+in+ICSID+Interim+Measures.pdf

2025
Cominiere continues to violate ICSID orders. The International Chamber of Commerce provides evidence showing Cominiere acted illegally and orders Cominiere to pay AVZ €39,000,000 in penalty’s

https://static1.squarespace.com/sta...de+Courtoisie+de+la+Sentence+Partielle_en.pdf


https://x.com/kongopress
Kongopress.com
@kongopress

#MANONO #LITHIUM SCANDAL over the sale of 15% of the Congolese State to the Chinese from #ZIJIN to 33.4 million to 150 million $US . In 2021 a manager of the #COMINIERE requests to show 35.5 million $US on the documents as the actual figure agreed. @Presidence_RDC

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Going by Kiki’s X post above, 140 thousand X followers have heard Kibeya taking Zijin’s bribe

Point 7. under Therefore states: “The DRC will appoint an envoy to facilitate KoBold’s initiative”

That envoy of course being the corrupt Celestin Kibeya Kabemba, who is part of the 22 so called technical experts nominated by Tshisekedi to report on the progress of the US-DRC Minerals for Security Agreement 👇


Pretty sure KoBold don’t want to waste their time exploring around Roche Dure, they only agreed to that because they want Roche Dure.

You know what’s funny, Cominiere announced their recent visit to the US on their website, talking about their partnership with KoBold, but not a word about it on KoBold’s website.

The announcement notice for this year’s AGM should be by the end of this coming week.
 
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Yeah so much of that agreement is just more DRC bullshit isn’t it

Look at the point 3. under Therefore

3. The DRC shall support the initiative of KoBold to buy and develop Roche Dure

…. What a load of bullshit. All the DRC had to do for that was grant us the exploitation permit for Roche Dure. Even after AVZ suspended our ICSID arbitration in good faith the lies and corruption continued and laughably (and unsurprisingly) they excluded AVZ from the discussions.

Originally KoBold wanted Cominiere excluded from the project, now they are trying to portray Cominiere as a safe partner for investment because KoBold needs other investors to raise the funds needed to pay AVZ fair value.

It looks like KoBold has been sucked into the same DRC shitfuckery that we have been witnessing for the last 3 years 👇


And now KoBold are completely compromised 👇

OUR STANDARDS​

KoBold’s 6 ethics. These are crucial areas where businesses often fall short.​

KoBold is a young company. We’re not only inventing new science to discover critical materials; we’re building a company that’s a force for good.

02

Anti-Corruption​

KoBold will never pay a bribe. We will walk away from deals, discoveries, and whole countries rather than participate in corruption. We will show that the world’s best investors and the world’s best innovators don’t tolerate corruption.

06​

Integrity​

At KoBold, you will find a passion to be honest about everything: good news, bad news, what we know, and what we don’t. Even when we operate in sixty countries on six continents, honesty will be the language that everyone at KoBold speaks.

230704-ONSITE-Mining-Workers-from-Below-at-Night-Holding-Drill-Pieces-AI-enlarged-300x197.jpeg




2022
The Inspector General of Finance provided evidence showing Cominiere’s sale of shares to Zijin subsidiary Jin Cheng was corrupt, illegal and fraudulent 👇

https://static1.squarespace.com/sta...f+DRC+Mining+Assets+by+COMINIERE+SA+-+ENG.pdf

2023
The International Chamber of Commerce ordered Cominiere not to take any action towards terminating the Dathcom JV with AVZ and should Cominiere violate the ICC orders it would be subject to a penalty of €50,000 per day

https://static1.squarespace.com/sta...rable+Ruling+in+ICC+Emergency+Arbitration.pdf

2023
The ICC ordered Cominiere not to take any steps to explore or exploit (directly or indirectly) within PR13359 and PR15775.

The ICC concluded that Cominiere violated ICC orders, deliberately concealed evidence and ordered Cominiere to now pay penalties of €100,000 per day for violating additional ICC orders

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5934d2ae6b8f5beeb5ba23f3/t/6556c81619b89256c649135d/1700186135012/20231117+-+ASX+AVZ+Successfully+Restrains+Cominière+and+Additional+ICC+Arbitration+Updates.pdf

2024
ICSID orders the DRC to re-establish Dathcom as the holder of PR13359 and Cominiere to refrain from taking any act likely to call into question PR13359

https://static1.squarespace.com/sta...+AVZ+Successful+in+ICSID+Interim+Measures.pdf

2025
Cominiere continues to violate ICSID orders. The International Chamber of Commerce provides evidence showing Cominiere acted illegally and orders Cominiere to pay AVZ €39,000,000 in penalty’s

https://static1.squarespace.com/sta...de+Courtoisie+de+la+Sentence+Partielle_en.pdf


https://x.com/kongopress
Kongopress.com
@kongopress

#MANONO #LITHIUM SCANDAL over the sale of 15% of the Congolese State to the Chinese from #ZIJIN to 33.4 million to 150 million $US . In 2021 a manager of the #COMINIERE requests to show 35.5 million $US on the documents as the actual figure agreed. @Presidence_RDC

Xa5P-aq3d2RH4qMS.jpg

5:06 PM · Apr 8, 2023
139.3K Views

Going by Kiki’s X post above, 140 thousand X followers have heard Kibeya taking Zijin’s bribe

Point 7. under Therefore states: “The DRC will appoint an envoy to facilitate KoBold’s initiative”

That envoy of course being the corrupt Celestin Kibeya Kabemba, who is part of the 22 so called technical experts nominated by Tshisekedi to report on the progress of the US-DRC Minerals for Security Agreement 👇


Pretty sure KoBold don’t want to waste their time exploring around Roche Dure, they only agreed to that because they want Roche Dure.

You know what’s funny, Cominiere announced their recent visit to the US on their website, talking about their partnership with KoBold, but not a word about it on KoBold’s website.

The announcement notice for this year’s AGM should be by the end of this coming week.
Spot on as always Dave
 
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Are the $ penalties imposed still ongoing,? If so, what is the tally now?
 
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