AVZ Discussion 2022

[BEISHA]

Was Klaus sagt, ist so interessant, als wäre in China ein Sack Reis umgefallen

Spreche die English?

 

[CHB]

The smokey now is the emergence of the US via the battery chain MOU. Telling in that agreement is the undertaking by the US to detect and deter corruption throughout the process from mine to battery production.

So I ask myself, what did FT offer them in exchange for making available their vast security and intelligence expertise. Just batteries, or access to lithium and/or cobalt supply security.

Whatever, its a bold play by FT given the gorilla of DRC investment, China. Interesting times for all players. If the Yanks want to take us out, so be it. Issue us our license and let the bidding war begin.

Nek minnit Klaus comments about license for Roche dure being reviewed making sense and US suddenly owns it all.

 

[cruiser51]

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Spreche die English?

What Klaus says is as interesting as if a sack of rice had fallen over in China

 

[Carlos Danger]

Refer to my previous post.

The big question is how long Felix has been the one deciding and when was he aware of what had actually happened. I said here a few weeks ago, when everyone was getting annoyed that Felix hadn't acted sooner, that it was better he hadn't because we would have already been rat fucked. The recent trend is on our side imo

From the AGM:

What happened after ML Decree, spurious yet we’re in suspension. What’s the main issue for ML – is it Dathomir, is Zijin ICC arbitration 15, dispute with exploration rights?

A: Lot of players in vogue here in country, lot of hatchet jobs being done – President had a bad view from being ill advised by detractors (e.g. we hadn’t done anything, didn’t have money experience, and were speculators). Detractors continuing, but slowly slowly we’re working to remove the blocks.

We knew Chinese would have a crack, but we did not expect parts of DRC government to be in on it?

A: Nor did we - “we thought it was gambit by Chinese groups to get project cheapest way. We weren’t aware it was also elements of the government complicit. We can’t go into it, but rest assured those people are being turned over within meetings with real information is being shared, and people put on the spot.

 

[Onthefm]

The smokey now is the emergence of the US via the battery chain MOU. Telling in that agreement is the undertaking by the US to detect and deter corruption throughout the process from mine to battery production.

So I ask myself, what did FT offer them in exchange for making available their vast security and intelligence expertise. Just batteries, or access to lithium and/or cobalt supply security.

Whatever, its a bold play by FT given the gorilla of DRC investment, China. Interesting times for all players. If the Yanks want to take us out, so be it. Issue us our license and let the bidding war begin.

I couldn't agree more.it was always going to somone big. But for me it's all about dollars. Selfish yes have no interest in saving the drc from corruption that will come and avz or Zijin will have absolutely no say in it. Its called progression. Just a decent price is all we can ask now imo.

 

[Carlos Danger]

You’ve done it again CD. That’s a really nice pick-me-up from someone on the ground that is closer to the action than any of us here. Good stuff.

I'm not any closer to the action than anyone else here. I'm definitely less so than most imo

I've never spoken to anyone at AVZ or in the DRC. I'm just some random dude that has a folder full of screenshots on my phone and can speak a bit of French. Everything I post is based off public information.

I don't even have that many shares really. Just under 300,000. No where near enough to get invited to the roadshow. But it's not about the money, it's about sending a message.

 

[Onthefm]

The big question is how long Felix has been the one deciding and when was he aware of what had actually happened. I said here a few weeks ago, when everyone was getting annoyed that Felix hadn't acted sooner, that it was better he hadn't because we would have already been rat fucked. The recent trend is on our side imo

From the AGM:

What happened after ML Decree, spurious yet we’re in suspension. What’s the main issue for ML – is it Dathomir, is Zijin ICC arbitration 15, dispute with exploration rights?

A: Lot of players in vogue here in country, lot of hatchet jobs being done – President had a bad view from being ill advised by detractors (e.g. we hadn’t done anything, didn’t have money experience, and were speculators). Detractors continuing, but slowly slowly we’re working to remove the blocks.

We knew Chinese would have a crack, but we did not expect parts of DRC government to be in on it?

A: Nor did we - “we thought it was gambit by Chinese groups to get project cheapest way. We weren’t aware it was also elements of the government complicit. We can’t go into it, but rest assured those people are being turned over within meetings with real information is being shared, and people put on the spot.

Mare Thanks for taking the time with a great post. Haven't changed my mind though.cheers

 

[Carlos Danger]

Mare Thanks for taking the time with a great post. Haven't changed my mind though.cheers

I'm in wait and see mode. Things are happening. I can't say for sure if it will be in our favour but I do think we are in a better position than a few months ago.

Personally I can't see Felix turning his back on the IGF and the NGO's in an election year. But stranger things have happened. If he doesn't want AVZ mining Manono then the easiest way forward is for someone to buy us out with the boards approval.

One things for sure Felix has been involved for a long time now based off Nigel's 'President had a bad view from being ill advised by detractors' comment at the AGM imo

 

[Onthefm]

I'm in wait and see mode. Things are happening. I can't say for sure if it will be in our favour but I do think we are in a better position than a few months ago.

Personally I can't see Felix turning his back on the IGF and the NGO's in an election year. But stranger things have happened. If he doesn't want AVZ mining Manono then the easiest way forward is for someone to buy us out with the boards approval.

One things for sure Felix has been involved for a long time now based off Nigel's 'President had a bad view from being ill advised by detractors' comment at the AGM imo

I sort of agree but for us to get rid of it (for a decent price )we need the ml. The second paragraph I'm with u. The cat would have known about this project before he was elected. For sure in my book. so is he just playing the game knowing full well avz have no hope of bringing this resource to market In a timely manner at scale and leaving his opinions open. Imo probably. But that's not helping us sh's. Cheers in hanoi best city in the world so can't complain.( only for a few weeks fuck it) Where u if u don't mind me asking. If in aus must be late.

 

[Rambo]

Can someone help me make sense of this. I’m not sure what to make of it.

 

[Xerof]

It shows that cominiere is a bunch of assholes, they just can’t even want/can pay their lawyers.
The DG of cominiere tried to postpone the hearing but it was to late after ICC rules.

The lawyer’s from cominiere have sent a letter to different people of the government.
Cominiere stated in September 22 that they don’t need the lawyers anymore because they are in negotiations with mmcs.
6 days before the first hearing cominiere ask their lawyers if they can ask mmcs and icc if they can postpone the hearing, because of the negotiations.
But they give no informations about the negotiations. And it looks like it’s a lie, mmcs stated on 5th August 22 that they want to persue the proceedings without hesitation.

Summary: cominiere owe their lawyers money for the last years but don’t want to pay for. Lies to their lawyers. Looks like they lie to mmcs, and tactically wanted to delay the whole hearings for what ever reason.

And at the moment it looks like they lie about the 5% for mmcs (what would be a breach of the jv contract), so mmcs was confused at the hearing.

Maybe they have fucking luck because the lawyers they don’t want to pay for are saving their asses. But that can only be seen after a judgement.

Cominiere should not exist! These documents are another prove of the general mismanagement by cominiere and the mismanagement in our JV.

But one thing is interesting, the hearings are from the 16 until 23 january.

IMO subsequent events have overtaken this situation. That correspondence is 10 days ago. Since then the DRC Minister of Justice has agreed to send the lawyers to ICC. I believe the scam to screw the people of DRC to benefit the hidden shareholders of MMCS ( only one or two guesses needed to work out that arrangement) has been exposed, and moves are already afoot to sort this out.

Fuck, I can't fuck'n believe I wrote that without fuck'n swearing

Arsehole

I have been known to be wrong though........

 

[Retrobyte]

Some good hits but no 250m, 300m home runs like AVZ

Under a lake

No resource as yet, no dfs, etc etc

Already at half of AVZs market cap @ 1.2 billion

Great run and I have traded it but market cap is maxed out at present given the above IMO

They are very good numbers though compared to just about any other company apart from AVZ. Grade is very strong and those results are world class. I have not bought PMT but those drill results are the sort of numbers that attracted me to AVZ in 2017. Being in the US gives them a massive head start as well - if we don't get our show on the road this year then the likes of Patriot will attract all the attention and funding while the DRC continues to fuck about and get nothing done.

 

[Flight996]

Nek minnit Klaus comments about license for Roche dure being reviewed making sense and US suddenly owns it all.

Hi CHB

I know I'm swimming against the tide, but I believe the Yanks have no pressing interest in the DRC other than security. I don't believe they are looking at taking over Manono or even taking a part position.

The Yanks are well aware that the DRC remains a cesspool of corruption, despite Felix's global stage-strutting and preaching about the DRC becoming the new Babylon of battery manufacture.

The Yanks' interest in the DRC is primarily a game of chess with China.

Cheers
F

 

[CHB]

Hi CHB

I know I'm swimming against the tide, but I believe the Yanks have no pressing interest in the DRC other than security. I don't believe they are looking at taking over Manono or even taking a part position.

The Yanks are well aware that the DRC remains a cesspool of corruption, despite Felix's global stage-strutting and preaching about the DRC becoming the new Babylon of battery manufacture.

The Yanks' interest in the DRC is primarily a game of chess with China.

Cheers
F

Quite possibly. I do think they just want to get their foot into DRC and have access to their resources before it's too late.

My comment was tongue in cheek, but given all the crap that's occurred the scenario wouldn't even surprise me.

 

[Mr Inappropriate]

I'm not any closer to the action than anyone else here. I'm definitely less so than most imo

I've never spoken to anyone at AVZ or in the DRC. I'm just some random dude that has a folder full of screenshots on my phone and can speak a bit of French. Everything I post is based off public information.

I don't even have that many shares really. Just under 300,000. No where near enough to get invited to the roadshow. But it's not about the money, it's about sending a message.

Sorry CD, I wasn’t clear. The “on-the-ground“ bit was a reference to Frank, who’s messages you had posted.

 

[Mr Inappropriate]

The yanks are not taking our ML. The rule of law still applies in the DRC (only just…).

Theirs is a strategic play - they want china out and friendly‘s in. So long as we’ve been compliant with the Mining Code and the Mining Regs, we’ll get the ML. When, and what any ML area carve-up looks like remains the mystery.

 

[Charbella]

Both minister of portfolio and mines have been replaced ?
9 Ministre d’état, ministre du portefeuille, Monsieur MUSUNGAYI REMY
27 ministre des mines Madame BWATSHA NICOLE

 

[JAG]

 

[MoneyBags1348]

ORDINANCE NO. 21/018 OF ....13/01/2023 APPOINTING DEPUTY PRIME MINISTERS, MINISTERS OF STATE, MINISTERS, DELEGATED MINISTERS AND VICE MINISTERS

The President of the Republic​

Having regard to the Constitution of the Democratic Republic of the Congo of 18 February 2006 as amended by Law No. 11/002 of 20/8/2019 revising certain articles of the Constitution, especially in its Articles 78 paragraph 4, 79 paragraph 3 and 90 paragraph 1, 2 and 3

Having regard to Ordinance No. 21/006 of 14.2.2021 appointing a Prime Minister;
On the proposal of the Prime Minister;
Given the urgency and necessity;

ORDERS:

Article 1
The following persons are appointed as vice-prime ministers and ministers in office in relation to their names:

1 Deputy Prime Minister, Minister of the Interior, Security, Decentralization and Customary Affairs: Mr. ASÉLO DANIEL

2 Deputy Prime Minister, Minister of the Environment, Mrs. BAZAIBA MASUDI Eve

3 Deputy Prime Minister Minister of Foreign Affairs, Mr. BADIBANGA NTITA SAMY

4 Deputy Prime Minister, Minister of the Public Service, Mr. LIHAU EBUA jean pierre

5 Deputy Prime Minister, Minister of Budget, Mr. JOSEPH PAPY OKATA

Article 2
The following persons are appointed ministers of state and ministers in office in relation to their names:

6 Minister of State, Minister of Justice and Keeper of the Seals Mr. KABOMBO MWADIAMVITA Guy

7 Minister of State, Minister of Spatial Planning, Mr. MWABILU MBAYU MUKALA Pius

8 Minister of State, Minister of Higher Education and University, LUMANU BWANA SEFU Adolphe

9 Minister of State, Minister of the Portfolio, Mr. MUSUNGAYI REMY

10 Minister of State, Minister of National Defence, Mr. KABANDA KURHENGA Gilbert

11 Minister of State, Minister of Labour and Social Security, Mrs. NDUSI M'KEMBE

12 Minister of State, Minister of Planning, KAZADI KANKONDE Peter

13 Minister of State, Minister of Hydrocarbons, Mr. NYEMBO BWIZA Guylain

Article 3
The following persons are appointed, ministers in office in addition to their names

14 Minister of Finance, KAZADI KADIMA NZUNZI Nicolas

15 Minister of Relations with Parliament, Mr. KIN-KEY MULUMBA Tryphon

16 Minister of Land Affairs, Mr. SAKOMBI MOLENDO Aimé

17 Minister of Vocational Training and Trades, Mr. MOTEMONA GIBOLUM GODARD

18 Minister of Communications, Information and Communication Technology, Mrs. KIPULU NABENGA Antoinette

19 Minister of Transport and Communication, KABONGO KABONGO JEAN CLAUDE

20 Minister of Sports and Leisure, Mr. TSHIMBOMBO MUKUNA JESSY

21 Minister of Communication and Media, Mr. MONSENEMPWO Jean-Thierry

22 Minister of Foreign Trade Mr. BUSSA TONGBA Jean-Lucien

23 Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Livestock, Mr. NDARABU AMURANI Aruna

24 Minister of Family and Child Gender, WAMU ATAMINA Henriette

25 Minister of Public Health, Mr. MBUKULU ZOLA YVE

26 Minister of Youth, introduction to new citizenship and national cohesion,Mr. MUKE MUKENGESHAY John

27 Minister of Mines Mrs. BWATSHA NICOLE

28 Minister of Primary, Secondary and Technical Education, Mr. PAUL TSHILUMBU,

29 Minister of the National Economy, Mr. MUKE KANDONG SIMON

30 Minister of Tourism, Mr. NGOTO KENGE JOSEPH

31 Minister of Industry Mr. PALUKU KAHONGYA Julien, Minister of Urban Planning and Housing, Mr. MODERO NSIMBA

32 Minister of Hydraulic ResourcesMr. TSHIBALABALA MUKENAY FRANCIS

33 Minister of Humanitarian ActionWAKWENDA BUKASA Victor

34 Minister of Infrastructure and Public Works, Mr. GISARO MUVUNYI Alexis

35 Digital Minister Mr. KIBASA MALIBA LUBALALA Augustin

36 Minister of Energy Mr. MUHANZI EUSTACHE

37 Minister of Regional Cooperation, Mr. DiEUDONNE MBAYO

38 Minister of Social Affairs Mr. LOANDO MBOYO GUY

39 human rights minstre, Albert Fabrice PUELA

40 Minister of Rural Development, Mr. RUBOTA MASUMBUKO François

41 Minister of Culture, Arts and Heritage, Mr. MUYAYA KATEMBWE Patrick

42 Minister of Small and Medium Enterprises, Mr. NTAMBWE MPOSHI Charmant-Eliezer

43. Minister of Scientific Research, Mr. KINOINI MASSAMBA

Article 4
Ministers are appointed
delegates, in addition to their names, the following persons

44 Minister Delegate to the President of the Republic, Mr. LOMATA Constant

45 Deputy Minister at the Prime Minister, Mr. BUNGANI MBANDA JEAN JACQUES

Article 5
The following persons are appointed vice-ministers in office after their names:

46 Deputy Minister of Mines, Mr. BEIA TSHILENGE GECKO

47 Deputy Minister of Public Health, Mrs. NSIMBA BAGAYA MARIE ANGE

48 Deputy Minister of Primary, Secondary and Technical Education, Mrs. NAMASIA BAZEGO AMINATA

49 Deputy Minister of Transport and Communication, Mr. MAZENGA MAKANZU DIDIER

50 Deputy Minister of National Defence, Mr. AMATO BAHIZIRHE MIRINDI

51 Deputy Minister of the Budget, Mr. BALESHAY Ted

52 Deputy Minister of the Plan, Mr. NZUZI PATHY

53 Deputy Minister of Justice Mrs. KARUME BAKANEMA ANNE MARIE

54 Deputy Minister of Hydrocarbons, Mr. KISOMBE TOTSHUMANY

55 Deputy Minister of Finance MR. MVULA KALAMBA PAPY

56. Deputy Minister of Industry, Mr. BINGOTO MANDOKO Elonga Serge

Article 6
All previous provisions contrary to this Ordinance are repealed

Article 7
The Prime Minister is responsible for the execution of this order, which takes effect on the date of its signature.

Done in Kinshasa, on 11/01/2023
Félix-Antoine Tshisekededi Tshilombo
Jean-Michel Sama Lukonde Kyenge
Prime Minister
For Certified copy in accordance with the original
NYEMBO BWIZA Guylain
Chief of Staff
MINISTERS AND DELEGATESAPPOINTMENTPRESCRIPTIONPRESIDENCY OF THE REPUBLIC

 

[Remark]