AVZ Discussion 2022

[Frank]

Canadian Ivanhoe Mines seeks new investors for its copper projects

Ivanhoe Mines and its Chinese partner Zijin Mining are to invest around $3 billion in 2023 and 2024 to increase the production capacity of the Kamoa-Kakula copper complex.

Their goal is to soon make it the second largest copper mine in the world.

In the DRC, the development of the projects of the Canadian Ivanhoe Mines, in particular the Kamoa-Kakula copper complex, could soon benefit from the financial support of a major investor.

At least that's what billionaire Robert Friedland, founder and co-chairman of the company, said on the sidelines of the Mining Indaba.

According to details reported by Bloomberg, discussions are underway with sovereign investors who could take a minority stake in Kamoa-Kakula.

If the hypothesis of a sale is " extremely improbable " according to Mr. Friedland, the possible collaboration of Ivanhoe and its partners (the Congolese State and the Chinese Zijin Mining), with new shareholders can be valuable to realize the full potential of the project.

Between 2023 and 2024, for example, nearly $3 billion will be invested in Kamoa-Kakula to increase copper production, with the aim of making it the second largest copper mine in the world within a few years.

Unlike the last decade when the DRC was shunned by some Western investors, it should be noted that Ivanhoe's appeal could receive a more favorable response now, thanks to the increase in world demand for copper induced by the energetic transition.

Several experts indeed predict a shortage at the global level without massive investments in new production capacities and the DRC, by its mineral potential, is the ideal destination.

As a reminder, Kamoa-Kakula should deliver 390 to 430,000 tonnes of copper in 2023.

The complex has contributed since May 2021 to the place of the DRC as the first African copper producer.

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[Samus]

The local anti AVZ media at it again.

The vision of the Head of State is to fight poverty and reduce inequalities”

The vision of the Head of State, "is really to fight poverty, reduce inequalities. When he presented his program, the key word was to reduce poverty.

The Head of State wants to build a strong and prosperous Congo, a rich Congo", affirms, guest of the Magazine Le Débat on Top Congo FM, its spokesperson Tina Salama.

Tina Salama

"Its vision is based on 4 pillars: good governance, sustainable economic growth, united society and the man who is at the center of this vision", she specifies.

While the results on the ground, in the opinion of many, are not very perceptible, Tina Salama notes that the President of the Republic "has laid the foundations.

We have come from very far away.

We had to make reforms for the fight against poverty. 4 years later, we are in the right place.

People can see.

There are things that were never done in the past, there is evolution.

A lot of things have been done".

What about the rule of law?

"The rule of law is opposed to arbitrariness. It is a state where all citizens are equal, a state that values justice and equity," she replies.

To illustrate this, she recalls that "it is the first time that we have seen the close collaborators of the Head of State before a judge.

There is the separation of powers.

It is he who is the guarantor of the proper functioning institutions, but he cannot intervene.

He said that he was not yet very satisfied with the way justice is done in the country".

This is what prompted him to create the Sacred Union to "bring people around his vision.

That's what the Head of State wanted.

Everything else is a question organization.

The President of the Republic did not want a parallel government or parallel Parliament.

There is coordination.

It is not the jungle.

It is not enough to make a declaration to join the Sacred Union.

All those who think they adhere to the vision of the Head of State" can join the Sacred Union.


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"It is he who is the guarantor of the proper functioning institutions, but he cannot intervene."

How many more excruciating months do we have to wait to see if he's steering things in the right direction or not?

 

[bloke383]

Over past 9 months we seen a few pics of zijin, Ajn etc with DRC ministers. Does a pic exist of Nigel and co in meeting’s with MoM or similar? I can’t recall there being one and for the life of me the only reason I can think why there isn’t one is because he hasn’t had a meeting with them. Really really hope I’m wrong

Nigel might be finding it hard to find an honest competent minister to have a photo taken with .
No answer yet as to whether GJ was in Cape-Town . I'm ok with that as I'd rather them be working on the situation at hand anyway

 

[Charbella]

Over past 9 months we seen a few pics of zijin, Ajn etc with DRC ministers. Does a pic exist of Nigel and co in meeting’s with MoM or similar? I can’t recall there being one and for the life of me the only reason I can think why there isn’t one is because he hasn’t had a meeting with them. Really really hope I’m wrong

We really have no choice now but to sit down with all parties and negotiate. I think we pretty much refused to negotiate in the past, we are now forced to or risk losing everything. At least that’s the tactic they are using now. I for one do want this to drag on for years at the ICC. Time to talk about plan B. At this stage I am happy for AVZ to walk away with majority ownership of the project and get construction underway and start mining.

 

[MoneyBags1348]

@TDITD

Love the truth you’re putting on twitter TITS

And also impressed with your language skills!!

 

[Samus]

We really have no choice now but to sit down with all parties and negotiate. I think we pretty much refused to negotiate in the past, we are now forced to or risk losing everything. At least that’s the tactic they are using now. I for one do want this to drag on for years at the ICC. Time to talk about plan B. At this stage I am happy for AVZ to walk away with majority ownership of the project and get construction underway and start mining.

So in other words we need to eat shit then bend over and pay money to cop it up the ass multiple times and walk away a significant part of the project stolen.
Then we'll have to trust that the shenanigans won't continue with the untrustworthy and corrupt partnership that we're forced to endure.
Let us hope that things might be moving in a little bit better direction than that under the surface.
I don't hold out much hope for this either but there is still a chance. We haven't really seen FT's ultimate card yet.

 

[Onthefm]

Over past 9 months we seen a few pics of zijin, Ajn etc with DRC ministers. Does a pic exist of Nigel and co in meeting’s with MoM or similar? I can’t recall there being one and for the life of me the only reason I can think why there isn’t one is because he hasn’t had a meeting with them. Really really hope I’m wrong

Well unless they went to Perth it would be bloody hard to m

 

[Strongman]

So in other words we need to eat shit then bend over and pay money to cop it up the ass multiple times and walk away a significant part of the project stolen.
Then we'll have to trust that the shenanigans won't continue with the untrustworthy and corrupt partnership that we're forced to endure.
Let us hope that things might be moving in a little bit better direction than that under the surface.
I don't hold out much hope for this either but there is still a chance. We haven't really seen FT's ultimate card yet.

Not sure that Felix actually has an ultimate card to play. If he backs AVZ via cabinet reshuffle and hiring and firing in the various govt depts then he will lose the support of the relative ministers and their constituents and in 9 months he is gone. If he shafts AVZ via no action on all the corrupt bullshit that plagues the DRC then he will be torn to shreds at the upcoming election by opposition as being seen to be taking no action on the chaos and corruption which was part of his original election mandate. So once again in 9 months he is out
As per the MoM and decree cancellation the only way forward for Felix is some sort of compromise i think. Indeed he is backed in to a corner and treading a fine line between success and failure. When it comes right down to it AVZ Zinjin and Cath are the only ones actually interested in taking this to mining. All these other pricks...Cong , Klaus, Zoe Kabila, MMCS, Dathomir, Guy Luando etc etc couldnt give a fuck about mining and trying to improve the lot of the people of the DRC people . They interested in 1 thing only MONEY full stop
Compromise through negotiation seems the way this will move forward. Felix needs to keep as many people as he can happy but especially needs to get this project up and running soon or he is screwed. He sure as shit is not gunna want to get in to a 2 year 10 billion $ court battle by shafting AVZ so iam confident we will acheive an outcome ( compromised) soon. Yes AVZ has the moral and legal high ground but as has been shown that doesnt mean shit there in the DRC. Better 51% of a hugely profitable mine for many years to come than 75 % of sweet fuck all

 

[Carlos Danger]

We really have no choice now but to sit down with all parties and negotiate. I think we pretty much refused to negotiate in the past, we are now forced to or risk losing everything. At least that’s the tactic they are using now. I for one do want this to drag on for years at the ICC. Time to talk about plan B. At this stage I am happy for AVZ to walk away with majority ownership of the project and get construction underway and start mining.

So in other words we need to eat shit then bend over and pay money to cop it up the ass multiple times and walk away a significant part of the project stolen.
Then we'll have to trust that the shenanigans won't continue with the untrustworthy and corrupt partnership that we're forced to endure.
Let us hope that things might be moving in a little bit better direction than that under the surface.
I don't hold out much hope for this either but there is still a chance. We haven't really seen FT's ultimate card yet.

Here's my guess as to what the DRC government has planned for Manono

The South

AVZ 60% / CATH 24% / DRC GOV 16%

The North

DRC GOV 60% / AJN 40%

DRC government will use their portion of the money earned from RD to fund their obligations for mining CDL. This will allow them to control half the resource long term to feed their battery plants, despite the mica concerns. If AVZ don't like this arrangement then we can sell our 60% or spend years at the ICC imo

If something like this is on the table it would put Nigel in a very tough spot for negotiations considering he decided to keep hold of his AJN shares

 

[Charbella]

Here's my guess as to what the DRC government has planned for Manono

The South

AVZ 60% / CATH 24% / DRC GOV 16%

The North

DRC GOV 60% / AJN 40%

DRC government will use their portion of the money earned from RD to fund their obligations for mining CDL. This will allow them to control half the resource long term to feed their battery plants, despite the mica concerns. If AVZ don't like this arrangement then we can sell our 60% or spend years at the ICC imo

If something like this is on the table it would put Nigel in a very tough spot for negotiations considering he decided to keep hold of his AJN shares

The North

DRC GOV 60% / AJN 40%

If this was the case why did the MoM cancel the split?

 

[Carlos Danger]

The North

DRC GOV 60% / AJN 40%

If this was the case why did the MoM cancel the split?

To make it easier to give it to someone else with a new decree seizing the north part of the tenement. The MoM didn't overturn the partition on the fact that it wasn't in the mining code. She cited Cominiere's hurt feelings and the 'continuing tensions' between Dathcom shareholders the partial waiver of PE13359 has caused.

Reads to me that she is setting a path to give it to someone else, given the need and urgency, because Dathcom were causing delays on that part of the project. As I said yesterday this would not hold up at the ICC but the DRC government have the carrot of 60% of RD to dangle in front of the AVZ bod. But if they accept it's bye bye Nigel imo

 

[wombat74]

To make it easier to give it to someone else with a new decree seizing the north part of the tenement. The MoM didn't overturn the partition on the fact that it wasn't in the mining code. She cited Cominiere's hurt feelings and the 'continuing tensions' between Dathcom shareholders the partial waiver of PE13359 has caused.

Reads to me that she is setting a path to give it to someone else, given the need and urgency, because Dathcom were causing delays on that part of the project. As I said yesterday this would not hold up at the ICC but the DRC government have the carrot of 60% of RD to dangle in front of the AVZ bod. But if they accept it's bye bye Nigel imo

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Why bye bye Nigel if we accept 60% ? He will need to flick AJN .

 

[The Fox]

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I found my kind of bar in Copenhagen today. See the activity on the right side window

Unsure if the guy sitting outside is waiting to go in for a session or is recovering before heading home.

Arsehole, and don’t ask…

But hey, my good TSE buddy Kunts are doing a sterling effort in my absence, keep it up and fight the good fight.

Back to Dubai tomorrow then Rome

Farken

At least we know where Graeme Johnston is now !! Well done

 

[Louweeza]

Hey all,

I don’t post too often here as I don’t know what to believe anymore but I’m grateful for ever single post that gathers information here, good or bad.

My only focus right now is thinking that there has to be something I could be doing physically to improve this situation rather than getting depressed, winging and complaining.

Can we gather signatures as a whole group to send to the government to ask for help? I don’t have any connections (I’m you’re average stay at home mum) but surely someone here does?

I just feel we have to do something. All our money is going down the drain and surely we can do something to fight for this rather that sitting waiting?

I don’t know but this shit storm is getting worse by the day.

 

[BRICK]

AVZ reacts to two decrees from the DRC Ministry of Mines which notably revoke the Manono license - Copperbelt Katanga Mining

The Manono lithium project is becoming like a Novellas television series, every day we are witnessing a new enigma, which in reality only delays the start of

copperbeltkatangamining.com

 

[Samus]

The North

DRC GOV 60% / AJN 40%

If this was the case why did the MoM cancel the split?

Yeah I don't buy it either.
My hope is that the decree for the north has been revoked because it wasn't legal in line with the DRC Mining code to split the tenement in the first place. And that it's the full tenement of 13359 where some compromise will need to be made. At this point it'd be nice to see some of the IGF investigation come into play but not to the point where even our 60% comes under threat.
It's a sticky situation.

That they've blamed the split on dathcom is interesting though, Nigel said at the roadshow that they were basically tricked into this outcome. Once again it feels like we've been outmanoeuvred by JFMK, the corrupt pollies and the Chinese. Now set in writing effectively against AVZ in a ministerial decree. AVZ was stupid enough to agree and sign (as Nigel retains his AJN shares )
Fucking BoD better get their shit together. This corrupted union appears to have the upper hand with the DRC appearing to back their corrupted little state entity in cominière despite the arrests of the management and the damning igf report.

 

[Charbella]

Yeah I don't buy it either.
My hope is that the decree for the north has been revoked because it wasn't legal in line with the DRC Mining code to split the tenement in the first place. And that it's the full tenement of 13359 where some compromise will need to be made. At this point it'd be nice to see some of the IGF investigation come into play but not to the point where even our 60% comes under threat.
It's a sticky situation.

That they've blamed the split on dathcom is interesting though, Nigel said at the roadshow that they were basically tricked into this outcome. Once again it feels like we've been outmanoeuvred by JFMK, the corrupt pollies and the Chinese. Now set in writing effectively against AVZ in a ministerial decree. AVZ was stupid enough to agree and sign (as Nigel retains his AJN shares )
Fucking BoD better get their shit together. This corrupted union appears to have the upper hand with the DRC appearing to back their corrupted little state entity in cominière despite the arrests of the management and the damning igf report.

The waiver to split the northern section was agreed based on coming back to us as a research permit as per the decree. Not to be taken off us completely.

 

[Carlos Danger]

Why bye bye Nigel if we accept 60% ? He will need to flick AJN .

Maybe you're right. But how could he sell his AJN shares before a hypothetical deal was announced without it being insider trading?

If Nigel sells his AJN shares for a profit and AVZ lose the north then he would have a clear conflict of interest imo. And I would presume that AJN's shares would do well if they got 40% of CDL. So when does he sell without breaking the law or making money from fucking over AVZ shareholders?

This is why he should have sold his AJN shares when he resigned from their board. I've said that all along. He's now got himself into a catch 22 imo

Think about the 'journalism' we have seen this week from the AFR. It is all directed at Nigel. The story about Marius Mihigo was angled on how the bod were alarmed about Nigel's plan to pay him the bonus. The latest article is titled 'A Tasmanian geologist's fortune imploded in the Congo' and is mainly focused on statements Nigel has made.

This isn't a mistake. The people feeding Tommy recognise Nigel is the biggest obstacle to them gaining control of Manono long term. They have now worked out a way to make sure Nigel is gone from the project no matter what imo. They are using classic propaganda techniques to turn shareholders against Nigel to support the bod accepting this type of deal while achieving their business and geopolitical goals. Bernays would be proud.

 

[Samus]

The waiver to split the northern section was agreed based on coming back to us as a research permit as per the decree. Not to be taken off us completely.

I believe we still haven't seen this original decree in its entirety yet? Unless I've missed it.

 

[Carlos Danger]

I believe we still haven't seen this original decree in its entirety yet? Unless I've missed it.