AVZ Discussion 2022
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Agree 100%
To my little mind it also suggests that China is out of ideas regarding the maintenance of this illegal charade.
Same old lies- not even new lies
Bin59
Regular
Thanks very much Lichione, I wasn’t confident the link would work, but it actually blocks
of the discord posts. 
Hemicuda
Regular
Thanks mate works a treat
Mickyb64
Regular
Hi Frank, does he actually mention AVZ in the speech? I've tried to listen and use translation but I can't work it out.
Sammy_da_Smile
Regular
Whole speech is here and even translated.
Don't think there is a mention of lithium, but I heard Cobalt and Copper mentioned
Mickyb64
Regular
Whole speech is here and even translated.
Don't think there is a mention of lithium, but I heard Cobalt and Copper mentioned
Thanks Sam
I think she's referring to more drilling
Samus
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speech after speech after speech. Meetings and meetings that have been going on for years. The government does not seem to succeed in organizing the Manono mining permit. What good is having all these resources if they are not used.
Mickyb64
Regular
speech after speech after speech. Meetings and meetings that have been going on for years. The government does not seem to succeed in organizing the Manono mining permit. What good is having all these resources if they are not used.
It's not worth shit until they dig it up.
Samus
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Can't we just write off the duffel bags as corporate expenses and be done with it?
Here ya go Felix, here you go Jean.
A few paper bags for the others.
Here you go mom and adèle.
One for all the judges and the guys at Cominière.
Can probably fit half a Mil in the larger brown bags.
Hell sign me up for the cap raise if it gets things moving.
Every one of them is probably sitting there thinking - we're ready to go for 12 months so where the hell are my snacks??
Transparency Int'l11 July 2019
Picture a sinking ship in which a large group of people are fighting for a few, increasingly torn life jackets. Something similar is happening in the Democratic Republic of the Congo (DRC) at every point in a chain of bribe-taking that stretches from the lowest public officials to the top of the government. The DRC’s people are being harmed by a semi-official culture, known as “débrouillez-vous” (fend for yourself).
It comes as little surprise that the Congolese see institutions like the police, the judiciary and the government as full of corruption, nor sadly, that less than a third think that ordinary people can make a difference in the fight against corruption.
These findings are far worse than in most other African countries: slightly over half of all Africans think that corruption is getting worse, while 28 per cent of Africans have to pay bribes for public services.
Why is corruption so prevalent in the DRC, why is bribery so commonplace and why do two thirds of citizens feel powerless?
The DRC’s leaders tend to drive corruption rather than try to clean it up. This is done through patronage networks where those with power give others jobs and contracts in exchange for bribes. This makes the powerful very rich — former President Joseph Kabila owns more than 80 companies and 71,000 hectares of farmland — and means that poorly paid low level officials have to demand bribes to survive.
This act of preying on the people with less power is made more aggressive by job insecurity; leaders tend to strategically and regularly fire public officials to stop them from getting too much power. This encourages many officials to grab as much money as they can — through bribes and also embezzlement — as quickly as possible.
They are able to do so undetected and with impunity because the DRC’s institutions are frequently not transparent — the state-owned oil company Cohyrdo is one of the world’s least transparent state-owned companies — and have low capacity to effectively monitor and manage their activities. This has led to hundreds of millions of dollars in infrastructure loans from the Chinese government going missing, for example.
The chances of officials being sanctioned for corruption are further reduced by the DRC’s anti-corruption framework being very poorly implemented. Laws criminalising public sector corruption and requiring officials to report any bribery are rarely acted on, and any well-connected official who is prosecuted for corruption can expect an acquittal, as the judiciary is controlled by politicians and bribes.
The DRC’s 10 million market sellers are one of many demographics who get asked for bribes on a regular basis. A market seller’s drive to pick up goods might involve a traffic police officer demanding a bribe, an army run roadblock taking some of those goods and then a local government official requiring an unofficial tax to let the market seller trade.
Local and provincial governments are known to demand hundreds of types of taxes, frequently for services that aren’t delivered. Many officials also pocket — and then bribe superiors with — large proportions of the taxes that they collect. Additionally, their need to deliver sufficient tax revenues to government accounts, whilst taking tax money for themselves, means that officials tax impoverished Congolese citizens at very high rates, taking 40 to 50 per cent of their income.
There are, unfortunately, several reasons why two thirds of citizens don’t feel like they can make a difference against corruption: their votes are apparently not being counted in elections; the reported landslide winner of the 2018 general elections, Martin Fayulu, did not become president. Instead Felix Tshisekedi became president after an election involving many irregularities. Citizens are discouraged by protesters and opposition politicians being violently suppressed, and worry that the culture of fending for yourself is too deeply ingrained in their society.
www.transparency.org
Here ya go Felix, here you go Jean.
A few paper bags for the others.
Here you go mom and adèle.
One for all the judges and the guys at Cominière.
Can probably fit half a Mil in the larger brown bags.
Hell sign me up for the cap raise if it gets things moving.
Every one of them is probably sitting there thinking - we're ready to go for 12 months so where the hell are my snacks??
WHY DO DRC CITIZENS REPORT SUCH HIGH LEVELS OF CORRUPTION?
Transparency Int'l11 July 2019
Picture a sinking ship in which a large group of people are fighting for a few, increasingly torn life jackets. Something similar is happening in the Democratic Republic of the Congo (DRC) at every point in a chain of bribe-taking that stretches from the lowest public officials to the top of the government. The DRC’s people are being harmed by a semi-official culture, known as “débrouillez-vous” (fend for yourself).
What the Congolese think about corruption & bribery
In our survey of 47,000 citizens in 35 African countries, the Global Corruption Barometer, we asked DRC citizens about their views on and experiences of corruption. Eighty-five per cent said that corruption is increasing, 80 per cent said that the government is doing a bad job at tackling it, and 80 per cent said they need to pay bribes for public services, like the police, water supply and identification documents.It comes as little surprise that the Congolese see institutions like the police, the judiciary and the government as full of corruption, nor sadly, that less than a third think that ordinary people can make a difference in the fight against corruption.
These findings are far worse than in most other African countries: slightly over half of all Africans think that corruption is getting worse, while 28 per cent of Africans have to pay bribes for public services.
Why is corruption so prevalent in the DRC, why is bribery so commonplace and why do two thirds of citizens feel powerless?
The state of corruption in the DRC
A range of factors contribute to the DRC’s high corruption levels. Weak democracy allows corrupt politicians to maintain power, while ineffective institutions give opportunities for corruption rather than preventing it. People who expose or oppose corrupt systems are suppressed. The country also has low levels of stateness, a key tool that undemocratic regimes can use against corruption: the government doesn’t control its own army, competes for local power with many militias and has little control of movement through its eastern borders.The DRC’s leaders tend to drive corruption rather than try to clean it up. This is done through patronage networks where those with power give others jobs and contracts in exchange for bribes. This makes the powerful very rich — former President Joseph Kabila owns more than 80 companies and 71,000 hectares of farmland — and means that poorly paid low level officials have to demand bribes to survive.
This act of preying on the people with less power is made more aggressive by job insecurity; leaders tend to strategically and regularly fire public officials to stop them from getting too much power. This encourages many officials to grab as much money as they can — through bribes and also embezzlement — as quickly as possible.
They are able to do so undetected and with impunity because the DRC’s institutions are frequently not transparent — the state-owned oil company Cohyrdo is one of the world’s least transparent state-owned companies — and have low capacity to effectively monitor and manage their activities. This has led to hundreds of millions of dollars in infrastructure loans from the Chinese government going missing, for example.
The chances of officials being sanctioned for corruption are further reduced by the DRC’s anti-corruption framework being very poorly implemented. Laws criminalising public sector corruption and requiring officials to report any bribery are rarely acted on, and any well-connected official who is prosecuted for corruption can expect an acquittal, as the judiciary is controlled by politicians and bribes.
Citizens footing the bill
Whether it’s through slowed development or bribe-taking, it is ordinary citizens who suffer.The DRC’s 10 million market sellers are one of many demographics who get asked for bribes on a regular basis. A market seller’s drive to pick up goods might involve a traffic police officer demanding a bribe, an army run roadblock taking some of those goods and then a local government official requiring an unofficial tax to let the market seller trade.
Local and provincial governments are known to demand hundreds of types of taxes, frequently for services that aren’t delivered. Many officials also pocket — and then bribe superiors with — large proportions of the taxes that they collect. Additionally, their need to deliver sufficient tax revenues to government accounts, whilst taking tax money for themselves, means that officials tax impoverished Congolese citizens at very high rates, taking 40 to 50 per cent of their income.
There are, unfortunately, several reasons why two thirds of citizens don’t feel like they can make a difference against corruption: their votes are apparently not being counted in elections; the reported landslide winner of the 2018 general elections, Martin Fayulu, did not become president. Instead Felix Tshisekedi became president after an election involving many irregularities. Citizens are discouraged by protesters and opposition politicians being violently suppressed, and worry that the culture of fending for yourself is too deeply ingrained in their society.
What’s next for the DRC?
The Congolese can change their country and Felix Tshisekedi’s government has a chance to bring integrity to the DRC. It should start by strengthening democracy with a free press and judiciary, and full political rights. Tshisekedi must also adequately fund independent anti-corruption agencies, and fully implement the DRC’s anti-corruption framework. This will help strengthen its institutions while ensuring that state funds aren’t embezzled, procurement is ethical and corrupt acts are punished.GCB
Why do DRC citizens report such high levels of corruption? - Blog
Transparency International is the global civil society organisation leading the fight against corruption.
Frank
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Can't we just write off the duffel bags as corporate expenses and be done with it?
Here ya go Felix, here you go Jean.
View attachment 17155
A few paper bags for the others.
Here you go mom and adèle.
One for all the judges and the guys at Cominière.
Can probably fit half a Mil in the larger brown bags.
Hell sign me up for the cap raise if it gets things moving.
Every one of them is probably sitting there thinking - we're ready to go for 12 months so where the hell are my snacks??
View attachment 17156
WHY DO DRC CITIZENS REPORT SUCH HIGH LEVELS OF CORRUPTION?
Transparency Int'l11 July 2019
Picture a sinking ship in which a large group of people are fighting for a few, increasingly torn life jackets. Something similar is happening in the Democratic Republic of the Congo (DRC) at every point in a chain of bribe-taking that stretches from the lowest public officials to the top of the government. The DRC’s people are being harmed by a semi-official culture, known as “débrouillez-vous” (fend for yourself).
What the Congolese think about corruption & bribery
In our survey of 47,000 citizens in 35 African countries, the Global Corruption Barometer, we asked DRC citizens about their views on and experiences of corruption. Eighty-five per cent said that corruption is increasing, 80 per cent said that the government is doing a bad job at tackling it, and 80 per cent said they need to pay bribes for public services, like the police, water supply and identification documents.
It comes as little surprise that the Congolese see institutions like the police, the judiciary and the government as full of corruption, nor sadly, that less than a third think that ordinary people can make a difference in the fight against corruption.
These findings are far worse than in most other African countries: slightly over half of all Africans think that corruption is getting worse, while 28 per cent of Africans have to pay bribes for public services.
Why is corruption so prevalent in the DRC, why is bribery so commonplace and why do two thirds of citizens feel powerless?
The state of corruption in the DRC
A range of factors contribute to the DRC’s high corruption levels. Weak democracy allows corrupt politicians to maintain power, while ineffective institutions give opportunities for corruption rather than preventing it. People who expose or oppose corrupt systems are suppressed. The country also has low levels of stateness, a key tool that undemocratic regimes can use against corruption: the government doesn’t control its own army, competes for local power with many militias and has little control of movement through its eastern borders.
The DRC’s leaders tend to drive corruption rather than try to clean it up. This is done through patronage networks where those with power give others jobs and contracts in exchange for bribes. This makes the powerful very rich — former President Joseph Kabila owns more than 80 companies and 71,000 hectares of farmland — and means that poorly paid low level officials have to demand bribes to survive.
This act of preying on the people with less power is made more aggressive by job insecurity; leaders tend to strategically and regularly fire public officials to stop them from getting too much power. This encourages many officials to grab as much money as they can — through bribes and also embezzlement — as quickly as possible.
They are able to do so undetected and with impunity because the DRC’s institutions are frequently not transparent — the state-owned oil company Cohyrdo is one of the world’s least transparent state-owned companies — and have low capacity to effectively monitor and manage their activities. This has led to hundreds of millions of dollars in infrastructure loans from the Chinese government going missing, for example.
The chances of officials being sanctioned for corruption are further reduced by the DRC’s anti-corruption framework being very poorly implemented. Laws criminalising public sector corruption and requiring officials to report any bribery are rarely acted on, and any well-connected official who is prosecuted for corruption can expect an acquittal, as the judiciary is controlled by politicians and bribes.
Citizens footing the bill
Whether it’s through slowed development or bribe-taking, it is ordinary citizens who suffer.
The DRC’s 10 million market sellers are one of many demographics who get asked for bribes on a regular basis. A market seller’s drive to pick up goods might involve a traffic police officer demanding a bribe, an army run roadblock taking some of those goods and then a local government official requiring an unofficial tax to let the market seller trade.
Local and provincial governments are known to demand hundreds of types of taxes, frequently for services that aren’t delivered. Many officials also pocket — and then bribe superiors with — large proportions of the taxes that they collect. Additionally, their need to deliver sufficient tax revenues to government accounts, whilst taking tax money for themselves, means that officials tax impoverished Congolese citizens at very high rates, taking 40 to 50 per cent of their income.
There are, unfortunately, several reasons why two thirds of citizens don’t feel like they can make a difference against corruption: their votes are apparently not being counted in elections; the reported landslide winner of the 2018 general elections, Martin Fayulu, did not become president. Instead Felix Tshisekedi became president after an election involving many irregularities. Citizens are discouraged by protesters and opposition politicians being violently suppressed, and worry that the culture of fending for yourself is too deeply ingrained in their society.
What’s next for the DRC?
The Congolese can change their country and Felix Tshisekedi’s government has a chance to bring integrity to the DRC. It should start by strengthening democracy with a free press and judiciary, and full political rights. Tshisekedi must also adequately fund independent anti-corruption agencies, and fully implement the DRC’s anti-corruption framework. This will help strengthen its institutions while ensuring that state funds aren’t embezzled, procurement is ethical and corrupt acts are punished.
GCB
Why do DRC citizens report such high levels of corruption? - Blog
Transparency International is the global civil society organisation leading the fight against corruption.
*Speaking of the C word Sam, To add to that other post on the subject of JA the other day, I see where,
Jules Alingete awarded champion in the fight against anti-values in public management
The prestigious magazine Forbes Africa honored this Monday, September 20, in New York, the head of the General Inspectorate of Finance, Jules Alingete, with international recognition as a champion in the fight against anti-values in public management.
This consecration is added to that of the American administration which recognizes an awareness of the Congolese on the misdeeds of corruption as well as the positive evolution of the fight against corruption.
In his desire to materialize the vision of the Head of State, Félix Tshisekedi, Jules Alingete has multiplied strategies to block the way to the leakage of revenues as well as the embezzlement of public funds.
Today, this work as a financial policeman has once again been rewarded at the international level.
After his consecration in the USA by the famous FORBES Magazine, Jules Alingete is expected in the Belgian parliament on September 28, 2022 to talk about the progress made by Félix Tshisekedi in the fight against Corruption.
His speech will focus on the theme: “Progress and results achieved in the fight against corruption in the Democratic Republic of Congo”.
Appointed in July 2020 by the President of the Republic, the head of the IGF department, Jules Alingete, a 59-year-old economist, recorded results that several observers considered positive.
US Secretary of State Anthony Blinken made this known during his visit to the DRC.
The European Union has also resolved to collaborate directly with the IGF for the funds it sends as part of official development assistance.
*Comments
Congratulations to you Jule, you have just repaired the shameful face of the DRC, LONG LIVE THE CONGO, thank you to President Fatchi for his rigor because Jule also worked for 18 years of Kabila, there had been no recognition except corruption excessive
It was said during the inaugural speech of the current head of state that: only 4 billion dollars enter the state coffers. while 15 billion dollars are embezzled each year. the Head of State had said that he was going to reverse this trend. on the ground, I see the budget forecasts which do not even reach 15 billion dollars, the vidiye Tshimanga files.... But on the media we exhibit plays, decorations. Has the DRC become the Germany of Africa as announced? We like to work in silence...
mediacongo
Enough of the Speeches, Awards and Patting each other on the Back
It's Time to Lock up a few of these FWits and get this Mine on Track
Time to Hard Rock around the DRC Clock and don't look back !
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ChrisU
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These are spot prices and may not last.
Also, battery grade is also a material fact in the markets. PLS is not saying what this 5.5 SC is rated at. Does it matter? Depends on end market.
I’ve seen statistics by China’s Ministry of Industry and information technology that regularly prefaces lithium with ‘battery grade’.
So this is another still hidden from general market view strategic factor for Manono.
So wonder the Americans are poking around they finally realise they can’t ignore lithium in DRC, which is obviously Manono…
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ChrisU
Guest
Australia has a CIA, or just a lady waiting with iced buns and tea on a Sunday afternoon in Harare?Can't we just write off the duffel bags as corporate expenses and be done with it?
Here ya go Felix, here you go Jean.
View attachment 17155
A few paper bags for the others.
Here you go mom and adèle.
One for all the judges and the guys at Cominière.
Can probably fit half a Mil in the larger brown bags.
Hell sign me up for the cap raise if it gets things moving.
Every one of them is probably sitting there thinking - we're ready to go for 12 months so where the hell are my snacks??
View attachment 17156
WHY DO DRC CITIZENS REPORT SUCH HIGH LEVELS OF CORRUPTION?
Transparency Int'l11 July 2019
Picture a sinking ship in which a large group of people are fighting for a few, increasingly torn life jackets. Something similar is happening in the Democratic Republic of the Congo (DRC) at every point in a chain of bribe-taking that stretches from the lowest public officials to the top of the government. The DRC’s people are being harmed by a semi-official culture, known as “débrouillez-vous” (fend for yourself).
What the Congolese think about corruption & bribery
In our survey of 47,000 citizens in 35 African countries, the Global Corruption Barometer, we asked DRC citizens about their views on and experiences of corruption. Eighty-five per cent said that corruption is increasing, 80 per cent said that the government is doing a bad job at tackling it, and 80 per cent said they need to pay bribes for public services, like the police, water supply and identification documents.
It comes as little surprise that the Congolese see institutions like the police, the judiciary and the government as full of corruption, nor sadly, that less than a third think that ordinary people can make a difference in the fight against corruption.
These findings are far worse than in most other African countries: slightly over half of all Africans think that corruption is getting worse, while 28 per cent of Africans have to pay bribes for public services.
Why is corruption so prevalent in the DRC, why is bribery so commonplace and why do two thirds of citizens feel powerless?
The state of corruption in the DRC
A range of factors contribute to the DRC’s high corruption levels. Weak democracy allows corrupt politicians to maintain power, while ineffective institutions give opportunities for corruption rather than preventing it. People who expose or oppose corrupt systems are suppressed. The country also has low levels of stateness, a key tool that undemocratic regimes can use against corruption: the government doesn’t control its own army, competes for local power with many militias and has little control of movement through its eastern borders.
The DRC’s leaders tend to drive corruption rather than try to clean it up. This is done through patronage networks where those with power give others jobs and contracts in exchange for bribes. This makes the powerful very rich — former President Joseph Kabila owns more than 80 companies and 71,000 hectares of farmland — and means that poorly paid low level officials have to demand bribes to survive.
This act of preying on the people with less power is made more aggressive by job insecurity; leaders tend to strategically and regularly fire public officials to stop them from getting too much power. This encourages many officials to grab as much money as they can — through bribes and also embezzlement — as quickly as possible.
They are able to do so undetected and with impunity because the DRC’s institutions are frequently not transparent — the state-owned oil company Cohyrdo is one of the world’s least transparent state-owned companies — and have low capacity to effectively monitor and manage their activities. This has led to hundreds of millions of dollars in infrastructure loans from the Chinese government going missing, for example.
The chances of officials being sanctioned for corruption are further reduced by the DRC’s anti-corruption framework being very poorly implemented. Laws criminalising public sector corruption and requiring officials to report any bribery are rarely acted on, and any well-connected official who is prosecuted for corruption can expect an acquittal, as the judiciary is controlled by politicians and bribes.
Citizens footing the bill
Whether it’s through slowed development or bribe-taking, it is ordinary citizens who suffer.
The DRC’s 10 million market sellers are one of many demographics who get asked for bribes on a regular basis. A market seller’s drive to pick up goods might involve a traffic police officer demanding a bribe, an army run roadblock taking some of those goods and then a local government official requiring an unofficial tax to let the market seller trade.
Local and provincial governments are known to demand hundreds of types of taxes, frequently for services that aren’t delivered. Many officials also pocket — and then bribe superiors with — large proportions of the taxes that they collect. Additionally, their need to deliver sufficient tax revenues to government accounts, whilst taking tax money for themselves, means that officials tax impoverished Congolese citizens at very high rates, taking 40 to 50 per cent of their income.
There are, unfortunately, several reasons why two thirds of citizens don’t feel like they can make a difference against corruption: their votes are apparently not being counted in elections; the reported landslide winner of the 2018 general elections, Martin Fayulu, did not become president. Instead Felix Tshisekedi became president after an election involving many irregularities. Citizens are discouraged by protesters and opposition politicians being violently suppressed, and worry that the culture of fending for yourself is too deeply ingrained in their society.
What’s next for the DRC?
The Congolese can change their country and Felix Tshisekedi’s government has a chance to bring integrity to the DRC. It should start by strengthening democracy with a free press and judiciary, and full political rights. Tshisekedi must also adequately fund independent anti-corruption agencies, and fully implement the DRC’s anti-corruption framework. This will help strengthen its institutions while ensuring that state funds aren’t embezzled, procurement is ethical and corrupt acts are punished.
GCB
Why do DRC citizens report such high levels of corruption? - Blog
Transparency International is the global civil society organisation leading the fight against corruption.
Bin59
Regular
We might be able follow the progress of the Manono SEZ project from this site while we’re waiting for the ML.
www.venturesonsite.com
Search Projects | Ventures Onsite
Rediah
Regular
Thank you,We might be able follow the progress of the Manono SEZ project from this site while we’re waiting for the ML.
Search Projects | Ventures Onsite
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Found these 3 when searched for AVZ.
Remark
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"I’ve seen statistics by China’s Ministry of Industry and information technology that regularly prefaces lithium with ‘battery grade’."
Well it must be true then!
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