AVZ Discussion 2022

[Samus]

It's a full blown culture of corruption they just think they're doing what everyone does, even the regular people seem have a bizzare sense that's it's sort of OK because it's just what everyone does. I guess they would do it too if they were in a position to do so. So there seems to be a level of sympathy for the corrupt who are caught and not much sense of injustice when they also get off pretty much scot-free as should be expected when they can pay off the judge.
I don't think they even think about it in the same terms as us.
The cops don't get paid so they extort money out of the people as do the military and everyone else in public office/government or any sort of position of power. I'm not even sure you'd call it extortion, just the way of things. It's mental.
One article I posted a while back was saying that the traffic cops in Kinshasa who are straight are beloved by the people and so receive 'gifts' instead of bribes.
I bet it's an alien concept over there that some foreign company can come in and receive anything without paying off the appropriate officials.

 

[Onthefm]

It's a full blown culture of corruption they just think they're doing what everyone does, even the regular people seem have a bizzare sense that's it's sort of OK because it's just what everyone does. I guess they would do it too if they were in a position to do so. So there seems to be a level of sympathy for the corrupt who are caught and not much sense of injustice when they also get off pretty much scot-free as should be expected when they can pay off the judge.
I don't think they even think about it in the same terms as us.
The cops don't get paid so they extort money out of the people as do the military and everyone else in public office/government or any sort of position of power. I'm not even sure you'd call it extortion, just the way of things. It's mental.
One article I posted a while back was saying that the traffic cops in Kinshasa who are straight are beloved by the people and so receive 'gifts' instead of bribes.
I bet it's an alien concept over there that some foreign company can come in and receive anything without paying off the appropriate officials.

Mate imo your dead right worked in indo late 80s to late 90s for big time aus us and euro oil and gas company jobs the client didn't pay anyone from my knowledge. But by fuck we all did and I mean every contractor no matter how big ( won't mention names obviously) but everyone knows the culprits are the biggest euro and us maincons in the world to small subcontractors like myself. But shit dose get built obviously and cheaper than in aus,us,or Europe. Although i haven't worked in Africa id imagine its similar. So stop fucking around with the ml. And let the construction corporation begin. everyone makes money. Is it that hard?

 

[Frank]

*How Ironic is it that here in Australia we are dealing with the same / similar shit as the DRC atm, as

Australia to create national anti-corruption watchdog​

www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/australia-create-national-anti-corruption-watchdog-2022-09-27/

*To remind,

Australia's NSW state premier resigns over corruption probe amid COVID-19 battle​

Berejiklian is the second NSW premier to resign because of an ICAC investigation. NSW leader Barry O'Farrell quit in 2014 after giving evidence in which he forgot to tell the commission he had accepted a gift of a $3,000 bottle of Grange wine.

Berejiklian said she had told ministers in her government if they were the subject of an integrity investigation they should stand aside until their name was cleared, but in her case, as premier this wasn't an option. She will leave parliament as soon as a by-election can take place.

Prime Minister Scott Morrison said she had "displayed heroic qualities" as premier, while former prime minister Malcolm Turnbull wrote on Twitter that she was a dedicated reformer who had "led the State bravely and tirelessly through the bushfires and the pandemic".

Berejiklian gave evidence at an ICAC hearing 12 months ago, and denied any wrong doing.

ICAC on Friday said the scope of its investigation had widened and includes whether between 2012 and 2018 Berejiklian "engaged in conduct that constituted or involved a breach of public trust by exercising public functions in circumstances where she was in a position of conflict between her public duties and her private interest" as she was in a personal relationship with the then NSW MP Daryl Maguire.

The potential breach involved grant funding promised to community organisations in Maguire's electorate of Wagga Wagga, and whether she failed to report, or encouraged, corrupt conduct by Maguire. Maguire's legal representative declined to comment.

Maguire told the same wide-ranging inquiry last year he had received envelopes full of thousands of dollars in cash at his parliament office as part of a scheme for Chinese nationals to fraudulently acquire visas, and had also tried to make money from his position as chairman of the parliament's Asia Pacific Friendship Group by promoting a series of Chinese business deals in the Pacific islands.

 

[Hudnut]

Except our dumbass pollies will get caught for receiving thousands of dollars, while in the DRC they get millions.
You get a better class of corrupt official in the DRC.

 

[cruiser51]

No news on Vidiyegate by the council of ministers.

https://www.presidence.cd/uploads/files/COMPTE%20RENDU%20DE%20LA%20SOIXANTE-DIXIEME%20REUNION%20DU%20CONSEIL%20DES%20MINISTRES%20DU%20VENDREDI%2023%20SEPTEMBRE%202022.pdf

 

[ptlas]

Mate imo your dead right worked in indo late 80s to late 90s for big time aus us and euro oil and gas company jobs the client didn't pay anyone from my knowledge. But by fuck we all did and I mean every contractor no matter how big ( won't mention names obviously) but everyone knows the culprits are the biggest euro and us maincons in the world to small subcontractors like myself. But shit dose get built obviously and cheaper than in aus,us,or Europe. Although i haven't worked in Africa id imagine its similar. So stop fucking around with the ml. And let the construction corporation begin. everyone makes money. Is it that hard?

Too many unknown unknowns to put my finger on it, but my gut tells me that US interests are holding this up

 

[Xerof]

If I was Vidiye Tshimanga, I wouldn't feel very comfy in jail anywhere in the world, too much money, too much interests and too many people would love to shut him up before he sings too much.
Just a thought, in certain circles life is cheap.

He’s been provisionally released.

 

[wombat74]

No news on Vidiyegate by the council of ministers.

https://www.presidence.cd/uploads/files/COMPTE%20RENDU%20DE%20LA%20SOIXANTE-DIXIEME%20REUNION%20DU%20CONSEIL%20DES%20MINISTRES%20DU%20VENDREDI%2023%20SEPTEMBRE%202022.pdf

They have probably been told to keep their mouths shut .

 

[LOCKY82]

Cath extension tomorrow?

 

[Winenut]

Cath extension tomorrow?

You'd expect so

 

[wombat74]

Next 6 Announcements : Cath extension , AGM notice , Suspension extension , Drill results , Suspension extension , Cath extension .
1 month extensions taking us up to Xmas break . Unless Fox or Nells have heard something to the contrary of course .
AIMO

 

[Winenut]

Brave man punting 6 pineapples

 

[cruiser51]

He’s been provisionally released.

Justice: Vidiye Tshimanga obtains provisional release and leaves Makala prison​

27.09.2022

The former strategic adviser to the President of the Republic, Vidye Tshimanga has just left Makala central prison for his home.
According to judicial sources, he has benefited from the provisional release granted by the High Court of Gombe.

According to his lawyer, there is no evidence of guilt. Theodore Ngoyi observes that the acts of which his client is accused were committed abroad and in this case, Congolese law does not allow prosecution.

Vidye Tshimanga returned to his residence in the commune of Gombe immediately after his release.


Not to be too surprised, as long as you screw your country abroad it is ok.

 

[wombat74]

Justice: Vidiye Tshimanga obtains provisional release and leaves Makala prison​

27.09.2022

The former strategic adviser to the President of the Republic, Vidye Tshimanga has just left Makala central prison for his home.
According to judicial sources, he has benefited from the provisional release granted by the High Court of Gombe.

According to his lawyer, there is no evidence of guilt. Theodore Ngoyi observes that the acts of which his client is accused were committed abroad and in this case, Congolese law does not allow prosecution.

Vidye Tshimanga returned to his residence in the commune of Gombe immediately after his release.


Not to be too surprised, as long as you screw your country abroad it is ok.

It's business as usual for this guy and his mates .

 

[JAG]

 

[LOCKY82]

Ah jesus! These fucks need some metal pineapples!

 

[Flexi]

All I can say is "This country (DRC) is absolutely F-CK-D"

 

[Mickyb64]

All I can say is "This country (DRC) is absolutely F-CK-D"

Looks like he really is untouchable. This just gets worse daily.

 

[MoneyBags1348]

It's business as usual for this guy and his mates .

Just goes to show corruption in the courts as well (just like here in Aus as well as the US). It’s obviously not as easy as a lot here seem to assume for Felix to clean up the corruption but at least with all the media exposure it’s more out in the open now.

Not easy also for Felix to replace the head of CAMI as he needs someone who knows all the systems and processes (digital and otherwise) involved in the mining sector.

Jean Mupande’s network of corruption extends broadly as he has been involved in the DRC Mining Week Conferences for years, receiving donations from some of the biggest companies in the world, like Glencore. Felix will also need to replace all Mupande’s corrupt staff and colleagues, some of whom are shown in the attachment below.

I also added an attachment below of Mupande’s phone number for anyone who has an interest in death threats

And of course, all information above is simply my opinion and tongue in cheek sense of humour, just in case the legal system turns around and seeks to take action against an honest shareholder giving his opinion on a dishonest practice in the DRC

 

[Uglybob]

Many years ago I came across this story. Back in 2010, a couple crossed the DRC in a landcruiser. There is a pretty good blog of their trip, including the entrenched corruption and bribes that are pretty much written into their levels of Bureaucracy. Very interesting read if you want to get some background info.

Crossing DRC in a Landcruiser