AVZ Discussion 2022

[John25]

Um, are we missing any states or territories here?

Too cold in Canberra

 

[MoneyBags1348]

One of the most anticipated shit fights in ASX history! Will be epic to watch unfold.

Sorry people, I'm not in the mood to represent NSW, you'll have to get @Retrobyte

I know there's been a lot of positivity and fun on here today so I'll apologize in advance

A couple of things consistently swept under the rug because of the ‘complexities’ of our situation

Those ‘Complexities’ are the things that specifically related to our Capital, Equity and Share Dilution

Share Price is the reason Nigel kept the ownership issues (Dathoimir / Zigin) a secret. The suspension was done legally, abiding by ASX Disclosures, but Nigel only admitted to the ‘short attack reason’ during the AGM.

If he had let the cat out of the bag last year we wouldn’t have raised $75million @ $0.50 a share, so I have understood his reasons as I have said numerous times. Equity and share price are the reasons he didn’t disclose when we went into suspension, in conjunction with not to getting burned by shorter’s.

Regarding Ownership Issues:

At the AGM he said he would take things further if he needs to…. Well, it’s been 6 months (plus all the months prior) that he’s been wondering if he needs to. Smirking and having your photo taken with Mr Pei means little when you treat shareholders with contempt, especially ones that have invested twice as much as you, Nigel!!

At the AGM Nigel said “I don’t entertain the idea of not owning 75% of Dathcom”…. Well it’s been 6 months since we heard about Zigin, and we still have the ICC Arbitration Case taking place in April 2023 (another 5 months away).

I also heard that the BOD has considered paying off Dathomir (through the courts) if they cannot obtain their 15% through other means…. Another ‘cat in the bag’ piece of information

In Sydney last year, when Nigel was asked where he saw himself in 5 years (in front of about 6 shareholders) he said…. “Managing a different company, closer to the ocean, where transport (export) issues were less of a problem”

At the same presentation he looked at me incredulously when I said to him “The mining licence isn’t going to awarded next month” (according to his presentation), and then, the very next day, they brought out a new timeline.

While on capital, equity, ownership and timelines, it’s time to consider finances. One question I asked Nigel online at this year’s AGM, was what were the terms of finance with the Pan African DFI’s?

It wouldn’t have taken much to answer (at the end of the AGM), we can’t give you the terms of finance at this stage, and we believe we have addressed all online shareholder’s concerns in an appropriate manner…. But no such consideration was given to myself and others, so consider the following:

The company has said they have made an offer to the state for Cominiere’s 15%. If CATH is paying $240million for 24%, how much do shareholders think we are going to pay for 15%?? And is the idea, to take some of CATH’s $240million to pay for Cominiere’s 15%??

What if we had to pay off Dathomir (through the courts) $25million. Nigel says we don’t, but since he showed so little regard for the questions I asked online, at the AGM, I don’t believe him anymore…. In the space of an AGM, I have gone from being a shareholder who has supported and understood the direction and methods the company has followed, to being skeptical and losing trust in the Managing Director.

We have around $47million in the bank, and an ATM of $50million (which I don’t see as anything but another capital raise) which will be traded for shares…. Hence again, one of the reasons for this post, being the subject of Equity.

Probably why Nigel won’t give an idea of the PAN African DFI terms. Doesn’t take much to say 60/40 debt to equity or even provide a basic rundown of what terms might look like. We know interest rates have gone up, it only takes a little honesty, and a few simple calculations from Jan (our Chief Financial Officer) balanced against a much improved BFS and it would have been all it took to keep me onside and believing they could be trusted.

Maybe you should consider shareholders more Nigel, with your 50million shares, and the fact that the first thing some of us look at, is our finances.

Glad I finally got that off my chest, I know I'm going to be unpopular but it's all been on my mind since he ridiculed and laughed off the online questions posed to them at the AGM

 

[Winenut]

Sorry people, I'm not in the mood to represent NSW, you'll have to get @Retrobyte

I know there's been a lot of positivity and fun on here today so I'll apologize in advance

A couple of things consistently swept under the rug because of the ‘complexities’ of our situation

Those ‘Complexities’ are the things that specifically related to our Capital, Equity and Share Dilution

Share Price is the reason Nigel kept the ownership issues (Dathoimir / Zigin) a secret. The suspension was done legally, abiding by ASX Disclosures, but Nigel only admitted to the ‘short attack reason’ during the AGM.

If he had let the cat out of the bag last year we wouldn’t have raised $75million @ $0.50 a share, so I have understood his reasons as I have said numerous times. Equity and share price are the reasons he didn’t disclose when we went into suspension, in conjunction with not to getting burned by shorter’s.

Regarding Ownership Issues:

At the AGM he said he would take things further if he needs to…. Well, it’s been 6 months (plus all the months prior) that he’s been wondering if he needs to. Smirking and having your photo taken with Mr Pei means little when you treat shareholders with contempt, especially ones that have invested twice as much as you, Nigel!!

At the AGM Nigel said “I don’t entertain the idea of not owning 75% of Dathcom”…. Well it’s been 6 months since we heard about Zigin, and we still have the ICC Arbitration Case taking place in April 2023 (another 5 months away).

I also heard that the BOD has considered paying off Dathomir (through the courts) if they cannot obtain their 15% through other means…. Another ‘cat in the bag’ piece of information

In Sydney last year, when Nigel was asked where he saw himself in 5 years (in front of about 6 shareholders) he said…. “Managing a different company, closer to the ocean, where transport (export) issues were less of a problem”

At the same presentation he looked at me incredulously when I said to him “The mining licence isn’t going to awarded next month” (according to his presentation), and then, the very next day, they brought out a new timeline.

While on capital, equity, ownership and timelines, it’s time to consider finances. One question I asked Nigel online at this year’s AGM, was what were the terms of finance with the Pan African DFI’s?

It wouldn’t have taken much to answer (at the end of the AGM), we can’t give you the terms of finance at this stage, and we believe we have addressed all online shareholder’s concerns in an appropriate manner…. But no such consideration was given to myself and others, so consider the following:

The company has said they have made an offer to the state for Cominiere’s 15%. If CATH is paying $240million for 24%, how much do shareholders think we are going to pay for 15%?? And is the idea, to take some of CATH’s $240million to pay for Cominiere’s 15%??

What if we had to pay off Dathomir (through the courts) $25million. Nigel says we don’t, but since he showed so little regard for the questions I asked online, at the AGM, I don’t believe him anymore…. In the space of an AGM, I have gone from being a shareholder who has supported and understood the direction and methods the company has followed, to being skeptical and losing trust in the Managing Director.

We have around $47million in the bank, and an ATM of $50million (which I don’t see as anything but another capital raise) which will be traded for shares…. Hence again, one of the reasons for this post, being the subject of Equity.

Probably why Nigel won’t give an idea of the PAN African DFI terms. Doesn’t take much to say 60/40 debt to equity or even provide a basic rundown of what terms might look like. We know interest rates have gone up, it only takes a little honesty, and a few simple calculations from Jan (our Chief Financial Officer) balanced against a much improved BFS and it would have been all it took to keep me onside and believing they could be trusted.

Maybe you should consider shareholders more Nigel, with your 50million shares, and the fact that the first thing some of us look at, is our finances.

Glad I finally got that off my chest, I know I'm going to be unpopular but it's all been on my mind since he ridiculed and laughed off the online questions posed to them at the AGM

Not unpopular there MB

All very important points

 

[Deleted member 2428]

Sorry people, I'm not in the mood to represent NSW, you'll have to get @Retrobyte

I know there's been a lot of positivity and fun on here today so I'll apologize in advance

A couple of things consistently swept under the rug because of the ‘complexities’ of our situation

Those ‘Complexities’ are the things that specifically related to our Capital, Equity and Share Dilution

Share Price is the reason Nigel kept the ownership issues (Dathoimir / Zigin) a secret. The suspension was done legally, abiding by ASX Disclosures, but Nigel only admitted to the ‘short attack reason’ during the AGM.

If he had let the cat out of the bag last year we wouldn’t have raised $75million @ $0.50 a share, so I have understood his reasons as I have said numerous times. Equity and share price are the reasons he didn’t disclose when we went into suspension, in conjunction with not to getting burned by shorter’s.

Regarding Ownership Issues:

At the AGM he said he would take things further if he needs to…. Well, it’s been 6 months (plus all the months prior) that he’s been wondering if he needs to. Smirking and having your photo taken with Mr Pei means little when you treat shareholders with contempt, especially ones that have invested twice as much as you, Nigel!!

At the AGM Nigel said “I don’t entertain the idea of not owning 75% of Dathcom”…. Well it’s been 6 months since we heard about Zigin, and we still have the ICC Arbitration Case taking place in April 2023 (another 5 months away).

I also heard that the BOD has considered paying off Dathomir (through the courts) if they cannot obtain their 15% through other means…. Another ‘cat in the bag’ piece of information

In Sydney last year, when Nigel was asked where he saw himself in 5 years (in front of about 6 shareholders) he said…. “Managing a different company, closer to the ocean, where transport (export) issues were less of a problem”

At the same presentation he looked at me incredulously when I said to him “The mining licence isn’t going to awarded next month” (according to his presentation), and then, the very next day, they brought out a new timeline.

While on capital, equity, ownership and timelines, it’s time to consider finances. One question I asked Nigel online at this year’s AGM, was what were the terms of finance with the Pan African DFI’s?

It wouldn’t have taken much to answer (at the end of the AGM), we can’t give you the terms of finance at this stage, and we believe we have addressed all online shareholder’s concerns in an appropriate manner…. But no such consideration was given to myself and others, so consider the following:

The company has said they have made an offer to the state for Cominiere’s 15%. If CATH is paying $240million for 24%, how much do shareholders think we are going to pay for 15%?? And is the idea, to take some of CATH’s $240million to pay for Cominiere’s 15%??

What if we had to pay off Dathomir (through the courts) $25million. Nigel says we don’t, but since he showed so little regard for the questions I asked online, at the AGM, I don’t believe him anymore…. In the space of an AGM, I have gone from being a shareholder who has supported and understood the direction and methods the company has followed, to being skeptical and losing trust in the Managing Director.

We have around $47million in the bank, and an ATM of $50million (which I don’t see as anything but another capital raise) which will be traded for shares…. Hence again, one of the reasons for this post, being the subject of Equity.

Probably why Nigel won’t give an idea of the PAN African DFI terms. Doesn’t take much to say 60/40 debt to equity or even provide a basic rundown of what terms might look like. We know interest rates have gone up, it only takes a little honesty, and a few simple calculations from Jan (our Chief Financial Officer) balanced against a much improved BFS and it would have been all it took to keep me onside and believing they could be trusted.

Maybe you should consider shareholders more Nigel, with your 50million shares, and the fact that the first thing some of us look at, is our finances.

Glad I finally got that off my chest, I know I'm going to be unpopular but it's all been on my mind since he ridiculed and laughed off the online questions posed to them at the AGM

Wi Nut is going to fucking hammer you now MB for not remaining on the AVZ Cheer Squad, along with a few others. You are not allowed to doubt AVZ management on TSE, that is the word … if nothing good to say, say nothing is the TSE mantra

 

[ptlas]

Excellent post and my thoughts exactly.

There are other issues, and I don't want to look like I'm banging on about this, one of which is AJN and his absolute refusal to divest his shareholding.
This then raises the issue of NF's relationship with KE.

NF has not invested 1c in AVZ, is paid $500k p.a. but feels that it is OK to maintain a shareholding in a direct competitor

As I said a few days ago
'Big Hmmmmmmm'

Still feeling warm and fuzzy post AGM?

 

[DoubleA]

Excellent post and my thoughts exactly.

There are other issues, and I don't want to look like I'm banging on about this, one of which is AJN and his absolute refusal to divest his shareholding.
This then raises the issue of NF's relationship with KE.

NF has not invested 1c in AVZ, is paid $500k p.a. but feels that it is OK to maintain a shareholding in a direct competitor

As I said a few days ago
'Big Hmmmmmmm'

Still feeling warm and fuzzy post AGM?

It MAY be a case of keep your friends close and your enemies closer

 

[tonster66]

Too cold in Canberra

I will walk across the commonwealth bridge with my AVZ hat on

 

[Rediah]

I will walk across the commonwealth bridge with my AVZ hat on

You mean, ONLY AVZ on , right ?

 

[TheCount]

Nothing else matters tonight. Out for an evenings entertainment with The Countess.

 

[Bonsoir]

Excellent post and my thoughts exactly.

There are other issues, and I don't want to look like I'm banging on about this, one of which is AJN and his absolute refusal to divest his shareholding.
This then raises the issue of NF's relationship with KE.

NF has not invested 1c in AVZ, is paid $500k p.a. but feels that it is OK to maintain a shareholding in a direct competitor

As I said a few days ago
'Big Hmmmmmmm'

Still feeling warm and fuzzy post AGM?

Nigel did an on market trade acquiring 1,000,000 shares for a total of $65,236 on 19/07/2018.

 

[ptlas]

Nigel did an on market trade acquiring 1,000,000 shares for a total of $65,236 on 19/07/2018.

Apologies
I believed otherwise.

 

[Bonsoir]

Apologies
I believed otherwise.

Nothing wrong with the rest of your post though.

 

[Retrobyte]

We dont have bridges in Tassie but ill do a jump rock streak into the water!

There were, but drunk boat skippers knocked them all down

Like i said, we dont have any bridges...

Yep. If a ferry can knock down a bridge it's not really a bridge

 

[FilthyRich2]

Moneybags is referring to my list of questions for the 2021 roadshow - slightly altered in context and response submitted a week before presentation.

Nigel answered these questions in the course of presentation in 2021 and a few in discussions afterwards, one or two were thrown in during presentation

Some of these questions were obviously answered in ASX announcements afterwards , but I needed to ensure they were considered by management.

Exact email reproduced below

Nigel's response to the 5 year question was different in my recollection to Moneybags. (It was a rather large list of questions ) , my last question was the Moneybags one. Given the question list I picked up on answers in presentation which might not have been obvious to other attendees.



Hi Jodie



I will be attending the presentation in Sydney, and had a couple of questions as listed below



Rather than cornering Nigel in a discussion , I thought it reasonable to submit the questions beforehand that he may ad-hoc address in his presentation



Some of these are hypothetical questions and could be addressed in his presentation







AVZ Shareholder Questions



Financing



Q1 Will AVZ be seeking financing where the paydown of the finance will be by set instalment dates rather than free cash flow sweeps



Q2 What is the indicative rate hoped to be achieved



Q3 Will the financier be given a covenant over the mining rights to Manono (along the lines of AJM errors)



Q4 What will the financing term ideally be in years (minimum and maximum)



Q5 Will debt financiers be seeking equity as well



Q6 What covenants have been proposed by financiers that you are uncomfortable with





Tin Mining



Q7 What resources will be given to alluvial tin miners to progress their ability to extract tin on a commercial basis



Q8 Will alluvial mining still utilize modular tin processing plants , and what is capacity and cost of each plant, what would be ROI be on alluvial per annum on this basis



Q9 How many individuals will be given the opportunity to work in alluvial mine



Q10 How many tons of Cassetite are expected to be produced from alluvial and would increasing headcounts accelerate this.





Equity Component



Q11 Who will be your ideal targets for equity components and are you having discussion with those targets





SC6 Production and PLS Production



Q12 Given that there is likely to be 6 months between the start of SC6 production and PLS production have you planned how to utilize free cash flow



Plant and Equipment Financing



Q13 Have you considered taking up vendor financing options on equipment to minimize the need for capital raising of $150m could capital raise be avoided if you do so





Flexibility of Plant and Processing Expansion



Q14 Given the likely demand requirements for SC6 and PLS do you have a plan for expansion and the timeframe that it is achievable in (In 4 years what do you envisage production to be)





Bottlenecks on transport



Q15 DRC seems to have economic solutions to resolve transport which have ability to be resolved under Belt and Road agreements, how soon can you anticipate a large scale solution to transport by rail or road



Long Term Goals



Q16 What do you envisage the Manono mine site to be doing in 5 years time





Regards
Name omitted in this posting on TSE

A

 

[Retrobyte]

Sorry people, I'm not in the mood to represent NSW, you'll have to get @Retrobyte

If Newy has an NRL team then they're big enough to have their own TSE rep as well

 

[Onthefm]

Wi Nut is going to fucking hammer you now MB for not remaining on the AVZ Cheer Squad, along with a few others. You are not allowed to doubt AVZ management on TSE, that is the word … if nothing good to say, say nothing is the TSE mantra

Yep mostly doing that sense the royal shitshows. Which is cool if people have different perspectives on what's going on. But sunshine and lollipops can become monotonous especially after what we have been through. And most questions still not answered. But the main game is the ml get that and a whole host of sins will be forgiven. That's what nige is counting on. Wich is fair enough as long as we get the prick of a thing soon.

 

[LEFOOL]

A group of us Brissy morons should do something like this, then have some celebratory drinks.

(I'll go topless too)

well i will pass running across the Story Bridge naked BUT celebratory drinks sounds good yes lets goooooooo!

 

[Louweeza]

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We have Nut ….SA
We have Frank….Vic
We have Bags….NSW
We have Cash …WA
We have Dan ….NZ
Maybe Deboss …Qld ..he be nice and tanned
??????……….Tassie
??????……..Darwin
Bring on the ML …Maybe Nell or Lou might put their hands up to have a go
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Have a great day …got work to do

Well I’m currently a central Queensland girl but originally from Tassie so happy to be a reserve for either state… can safely say this will be a non-event!

 

[Deleted member 2428]

Yep mostly doing that sense the royal shitshows. Which is cool if people have different perspectives on what's going on. But sunshine and lollipops can become monotonous especially after what we have been through. And most questions still not answered. But the main game is the ml get that and a whole host of sins will be forgiven. That's what nige is counting on. Wich is fair enough as long as we get the prick of a thing soon.

100% it is ML or the hi-way, simple as that … or .

Cannot stand people with arrogant attitudes after 2-3 years of imminent ML etc saying “be patient” or “you are a troll“ after holding millions of shares since early 2018, the faith in the AVZ religion faded a year or more ago and fades more every day we wait and wait.

Hope Nigel and silent BOD pull us out of this shitshow sooner or later with Mr Pei support, because it seems we have no support from the (silent, political President international spruiker/ game player) the big guy in DRC or his political opponents who know they have the power to oust him next year ( and probably playing the political CHESS ♟ game with him), positioning themselves to not go to slammer/ or lose highly paid political positions with pay backs and get scrutinised for illegal practices …

Anyway, NF is a closed shop (serial winker/ smirker), maybe conflicted with AJN???, but he is our only hope, not to totally drop our dacks and go back to 3.7c or zero.

I just want out $1.50 or more and have communicated same to AVZ. 100%, I have had a gut full of this shitshow - Cheer Squad - shoot me down, but have a look in the mirror too ?

Each way Albo is now mates with , let them take it - FIRB will not hold you back now the Lefties are running Australia and China
Don’t care if a few imbeciles on TSE keep calling me a troll, because if you do, you have NFI (PS. Don’t dare DM me again!)

Nigel/ BOD (you the silent ones) - get this over the line (with ML) open up trade, so we can make our own decisions to sell or hold -whether 40c or $2 or lower or higher.

AGREE , DO NOT open without ML - main point of RS/ AGM I agree with Nigel But, sell Nigel, sell - if an offer or JV is in the wind, sell $1.50 plus, please. You guys don’t have the ability, funds or expertise to build this in 2024, come on 2026 at earliest now 3 years late

 

[BEISHA]

Al

All done …Booked you in as an AVZ ,BoDs assistant (bag carrier) all on Nigels expense account ,simples…Always thought you were a Sandgroper Nut ..looks like JAG /Beisha or Cash carrying the West Aussie flag then
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Get off your meds, get off the grog, eat a few less sheep, run a few laps around the paddocks and you will be primed to carry the WA flag all by yourself.......


I cant carry it.............tried to put the leg over the missus and did a hammy........


Or did that happen when i got kicked in the nuts ?


Cant remember...............oops, dementia .