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I've just been through all of AJN's official announcements in the last year and there is only 1 that mentions them applying for a tenement around Manono. It's from November 1st 2022 and it is 100% referring to the northern part of PE13359.

AJN have failed to attain the rights to the northern part of PE13359 and this new PR15383 that they have never disclosed to the market they were applying for is their consolation prize from Mupande for all of the delicious snacks he has been given by Klaus imo

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After reflecting on this I've realised that this is a new deal for AJN and separate to the November 2022 announcement. Their application for northern PE13359 is through Congo Ressources which they had already informed the market they were involved in.

The new one is through Mining Enterprises Katanga which appears to be a private company. So technically they wouldn't have needed to announce this application to the market as they weren't the direct applicant.

The timing of this announcement for them is still a bit suspect for me. Hopefully we get an official announcement from AVZ one of these days that this has all been sorted. Legally AJN have no chance of getting the north of PE13359 imo

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And the offer now ends 31st of March, not the 3rd of October 2023 now. Funny.
Where we headed mate would a takeover be our best option @ a price
 

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Also, it asks for to accept cookie,

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Have to be crazy to let them have your data,

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Not saying all the cookies are bad, but this German site, hard pass.
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Cookies on German websites are normal. There is no site w/o that cookie information in front. Bundesanzeiger is an official site were companies official announces their balance sheets or capital raises (e. g. GmbH, AG). This site is 100% legit.

The first offer had a timeline until 10th of March 2023. Guess here was confusion because of the date writing in German and English.

Seen a post from a member of a German forum. He wrote that the first tranche is full. He got a phone call from Deeland and got told the process. Deeland works for investors who will give the money in exchange for the shares. Deeland as itself is not listed in Germany as an financial institution (source: attorney). Like the poster said he signed the contract with Deeland and it is planned he gets the money around march on his account. After that he transfers his shares on the named account.
 
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Cookies on German websites are normal. There is no site w/o that cookie information in front. Bundesanzeiger is an official site were companies official announces their balance sheets or capital raises (e. g. GmbH, AG). This site is 100% legit.

The first offer had a timeline until 10th of March 2023. Guess here was confusion because of the date writing in German and English.

Seen a post from a member of a German forum. He wrote that the first tranche is full. He got a phone call from Deeland and got told the process. Deeland works for investors who will give the money in exchange for the shares. Deeland as itself is not listed in Germany as an financial institution (source: attorney). Like the poster said he signed the contract with Deeland and it is planned he gets the money around march on his account. After that he transfers his shares on the named account.
If first tranche is full, you’d have to wonder why they have decided to offer more per share ; offering more per share would suggest that uptake wasnt/isn’t as fast as first thought ….unless they’ve managed only to fill tranche 1 in with a bagful of small shareholders , but volume drying up and need to attract larger holders and lift uptake / make it more attractive ….

Wonder what are the terms with Dealands ? Should ML fall through, the all bets are off ? if ML comes through they’ll pay out ? If ML isn't issued by the March date …what happens then ; do Deelands take the risk and payout ?

Both the Omni and this Deelands thing Just smell like some ploy to try and place some pressure on the company -‘agree to something and we can all move on’
 
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Cookies on German websites are normal. There is no site w/o that cookie information in front. Bundesanzeiger is an official site were companies official announces their balance sheets or capital raises (e. g. GmbH, AG). This site is 100% legit.

The first offer had a timeline until 10th of March 2023. Guess here was confusion because of the date writing in German and English.

Seen a post from a member of a German forum. He wrote that the first tranche is full. He got a phone call from Deeland and got told the process. Deeland works for investors who will give the money in exchange for the shares. Deeland as itself is not listed in Germany as an financial institution (source: attorney). Like the poster said he signed the contract with Deeland and it is planned he gets the money around march on his account. After that he transfers his shares on the named account.

first tranche is full, already, yet strangely they offer more for the supposed second tranche, hmmmmm
 
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If first tranche is full, you’d have to wonder why they have decided to offer more per share ; offering more per share would suggest that uptake wasnt/isn’t as fast as first thought ….unless they’ve managed only to fill tranche 1 in with a bagful of small shareholders , but volume drying up and need to attract larger holders and lift uptake / make it more attractive ….

Wonder what are the terms with Dealands ? Should ML fall through, the all bets are off ? if ML comes through they’ll pay out ? If ML isn't issued by the March date …what happens then ; do Deelands take the risk and payout ?

Both the Omni and this Deelands thing Just smell like some ploy to try and place some pressure on the company -‘agree to something and we can all move on’
Yep I’m on board with that theory, from politicians to journalists to shorters to buying up shares to holding us up, all to apply pressure to get us to agree to some form of concession, of which they seem to have lined up a few of those too…bastards
 
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Thx to Schnitzel for feedback, in a german forum is one guy who allegedly have signed a contract.
Some things that guy have posted:

„It is said to have something to do with the license rights in the Congo. And as I understand it, the buyers are not at all interested in future stock exchange trading, but rather in the project rights in the Congo, which you will probably achieve through equity participation.“

„I will receive the purchase price in mid 03/23.
I only transfer the shares after I have received the money. I have a few weeks to do that.“

„Deeland just handles the whole thing. Basically, the client pays the price. The decisive factor is the share purchase agreement according to Federal Republic of Germany law.“


So he thinks the buyer don’t want to trade, this guy just think he will buy rights in the congo when they buy avz shares. Ok :D two things why they would buy shares. 1. they think it will trade again but one day the share price explodes so that they can make huge profits. 2. they buy as much as possible to get some control in the company, but with 2x 50 million shares i think it’s not possible. Maybe yibin or huayou that they could have a chance to get a seat in the management?
How many percentages are needed to have the right for a seat? Anyone know?
But that would not change the fact that this 100 million more shares would be worthless when avz get no ML and start to trade again. The only thing that make sense for me is when they speculate that AVZ share price will explode. But who spend 100 million without being sure that they will trade again? Would be dumb.

They want to pay in more than 3 month’s, why would they wait that much?

I try my best to get such a deeland contract, but for me it’s still sounds like big scam.
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Thx to Schnitzel for feedback, in a german forum is one guy who allegedly have signed a contract.
Some things that guy have posted:

„It is said to have something to do with the license rights in the Congo. And as I understand it, the buyers are not at all interested in future stock exchange trading, but rather in the project rights in the Congo, which you will probably achieve through equity participation.“

„I will receive the purchase price in mid 03/23.
I only transfer the shares after I have received the money. I have a few weeks to do that.“

„Deeland just handles the whole thing. Basically, the client pays the price. The decisive factor is the share purchase agreement according to Federal Republic of Germany law.“


So he thinks the buyer don’t want to trade, this guy just think he will buy rights in the congo when they buy avz shares. Ok :D two things why they would buy shares. 1. they think it will trade again but one day the share price explodes so that they can make huge profits. 2. they buy as much as possible to get some control in the company, but with 2x 50 million shares i think it’s not possible. Maybe yibin or huayou that they could have a chance to get a seat in the management?
How many percentages are needed to have the right for a seat? Anyone know?
But that would not change the fact that this 100 million more shares would be worthless when avz get no ML and start to trade again. The only thing that make sense for me is when they speculate that AVZ share price will explode. But who spend 100 million without being sure that they will trade again? Would be dumb.

They want to pay in more than 3 month’s, why would they wait that much?

I try my best to get such a deeland contract, but for me it’s still sounds like big scam.
You’d think Deelands would just approach ETFs or index funds and just bulk buy at a lower price than what they are asking.

I’m pretty sure profs would be able to get around the whole Germany / Switzerland accounts only thing and just buy on the bulk from large funds …. But instead , they play with retail peanuts …. Sounds like a few retails are potentially going to get bent over ; all sounds very iffy
 
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Yep I’m on board with that theory, from politicians to journalists to shorters to buying up shares to holding us up, all to apply pressure to get us to agree to some form of concession, of which they seem to have lined up a few of those too…bastards

In my opinion, if the mining license comes through they will execute the contracts as the share price will explode. If not Deeland will just disappear.
 
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Yep I’m on board with that theory, from politicians to journalists to shorters to buying up shares to holding us up, all to apply pressure to get us to agree to some form of concession, of which they seem to have lined up a few of those too…bastards
Also quote: Both the Omni and this Deelands thing Just smell like some ploy to try and place some pressure on the company -‘agree to something and we can all move on’

I can't see how offering over the odds for AVZ shares places any sort of pressure on the company. On the contrary, offering over the odds supports the company's position.

Back to Deeland: Now offering 1.05 Euros/share for min one million shares. Imagine handing over a million shares over the internet to this bunch of suspects, and having to wait three months to get paid. During the three month waiting period your shares are on-sold multiple times and are now owned by the Russian mafia...and you are still waiting to be paid. Anyone who thinks that the Deeland deal is legit is taking a big, big risk...even bigger than investing in a company that seeks to build a mine in the most corrupt jurisdiction in the world.

It's a 100% gold plated scam. As Charbella suggests; Deeland will simply disappear along with your shares.

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In my opinion, if the mining license comes through they will execute the contracts as the share price will explode. If not Deeland will just disappear.
Its interesting as the risk/reward certainly isn't what one may call amazing. What is the play here, an who is behind it?
 
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Also quote: Both the Omni and this Deelands thing Just smell like some ploy to try and place some pressure on the company -‘agree to something and we can all move on’

I can't see how offering over the odds for AVZ shares places any sort of pressure on the company. On the contrary, offering over the odds supports the company's position.

Back to Deeland: Now offering 1.05 Euros/share for min one million shares. Imagine handing over a million shares over the internet to this bunch of suspects, and having to wait three months to get paid. During the three month waiting period your shares are on-sold multiple times and are now owned by the Russian mafia...and you are still waiting to be paid. Anyone who thinks that the Deeland deal is legit is taking a big, big risk...even bigger than investing in a company that seeks to build a mine in the most corrupt jurisdiction in the world.

It's a 100% gold plated scam. As Charbella suggests; Deeland will simply disappear along with your shares.

Cheers
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Its interesting as the risk/reward certainly isn't what one may call amazing. What is the play here, an who is behind it?
Pressure on the board to sell will increase from shareholders the higher the price offered is. That's how these things usually work.

Allegedy Deeland are promising to pay for the shares before the seller needs to transfer their shares to them. The transfer of the shares will be enforceable by the contract.

Zijin are behind it and they won't stop trying to get Manono even after suspension is lifted imo
 
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Also quote: Both the Omni and this Deelands thing Just smell like some ploy to try and place some pressure on the company -‘agree to something and we can all move on’

I can't see how offering over the odds for AVZ shares places any sort of pressure on the company. On the contrary, offering over the odds supports the company's position.

Back to Deeland: Now offering 1.05 Euros/share for min one million shares. Imagine handing over a million shares over the internet to this bunch of suspects, and having to wait three months to get paid. During the three month waiting period your shares are on-sold multiple times and are now owned by the Russian mafia...and you are still waiting to be paid. Anyone who thinks that the Deeland deal is legit is taking a big, big risk...even bigger than investing in a company that seeks to build a mine in the most corrupt jurisdiction in the world.

It's a 100% gold plated scam. As Charbella suggests; Deeland will simply disappear along with your shares.

Cheers
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A head scratch and initial thoughts which streamed through, was that if this is true, then this was likely an attempt at a strategic holding ; it’s obviously not an attempt of any takeover, as cash needs to be on hand and in an account before that even gets a pinch of attention .

Strategic holding … During this time the last thing the company wants is someone being posted onto the board ; Huayou were diluted out and the company were happy killing 2 birds with the one stone on that occasion ; could you imagine having a Chinese seat at the board table whilst we worked our way through this mess ; imo we’d probably have been on our fourth passing of being bent over.

Obviously Deelands 50m shares is not enough on its own as it only represents 1.3% of shares ; but the question is whom are the investors Deelands are supposedly acting on behalf , what’s the purpose off German / Swiss accounts only ? There is enough connected shares on the registry to pull together enough shares to gain a board seat, how is that done or what someone maybe playing at is anyone’s guess ; Chinese registered entity falls on FIRB sword; JV entity potentially registered elsewhere e.g Germany etc may have a bit more wriggle room

But during this period is a bit difficult to keep all your cards as close to the chest as possible, when you have asx guidelines to keep , but have been able to gain some shelter through voluntary suspension ( refer to asx listing rules guidance notes 16 4.3 for reasoning around vol suspensions and benefits ) ; it’s even more difficult to keep information from the ears you’d prefer to keep deaf if you have a mole at the table.

Omni’s legal case ; also march 23 date - legal costs of $9.5m before shareholders gain their share should they win… ; totally lame attempt to unsettle shareholders imo , but likely an attempt to unsettle enough holders to potentially shake some shares out . Has some thinking , How long does such a case take to flesh out ; what has the company got to cover these costs if required ; how long is this ML thing going to take to play out etc etc etc .

Remember more percentage owned by entities does allow for certain levers to be pulled - link below gives brief summary


Management always expected the Chinese to have a go ; they always expected some wrangling with the Chinese ; but they didn’t expect some of the tact’s deployed or having parts of DRC Gov also playing on behalf of the Chinese .

Hard to say ; ‘nah that would never happen’…. AVZ management said that about afew things which readily happened over the last 8 months imo.

Those high offerings by Deelands will also be having even the most hardened shareholders thinking …. Maybe let’s not be too greedy ; >$1.50 offering is a lot better than in pause at 0.78c…. Shareholders calls on the AVZ phone increase as offering price to German accounts increase
 
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A head scratch and initial thoughts which streamed through, was that if this is true, then this was likely an attempt at a strategic holding ; it’s obviously not an attempt of any takeover, as cash needs to be on hand and in an account before that even gets a pinch of attention .

Strategic holding … During this time the last thing the company wants is someone being posted onto the board ; Huayou were diluted out and the company were happy killing 2 birds with the one stone on that occasion ; could you imagine having a Chinese seat at the board table whilst we worked our way through this mess ; imo we’d probably have been on our fourth passing of being bent over.

Obviously Deelands 50m shares is not enough on its own as it only represents 1.3% of shares ; but the question is whom are the investors Deelands are supposedly acting on behalf , what’s the purpose off German / Swiss accounts only ? There is enough connected shares on the registry to pull together enough shares to gain a board seat, how is that done or what someone maybe playing at is anyone’s guess ; Chinese registered entity falls on FIRB sword; JV entity potentially registered elsewhere e.g Germany etc may have a bit more wriggle room

But during this period is a bit difficult to keep all your cards as close to the chest as possible, when you have asx guidelines to keep , but have been able to gain some shelter through voluntary suspension ( refer to asx listing rules guidance notes 16 4.3 for reasoning around vol suspensions and benefits ) ; it’s even more difficult to keep information from the ears you’d prefer to keep deaf if you have a mole at the table.

Omni’s legal case ; also march 23 date - legal costs of $9.5m before shareholders gain their share should they win… ; totally lame attempt to unsettle shareholders imo , but likely an attempt to unsettle enough holders to potentially shake some shares out . Has some thinking , How long does such a case take to flesh out ; what has the company got to cover these costs if required ; how long is this ML thing going to take to play out etc etc etc .

Remember more percentage owned by entities does allow for certain levers to be pulled - link below gives brief summary


Management always expected the Chinese to have a go ; they always expected some wrangling with the Chinese ; but they didn’t expect some of the tact’s deployed or having parts of DRC Gov also playing on behalf of the Chinese .

Hard to say ; ‘nah that would never happen’…. AVZ management said that about afew things which readily happened over the last 8 months imo.

Those high offerings by Deelands will also be having even the most hardened shareholders thinking …. Maybe let’s not be too greedy ; >$1.50 offering is a lot better than in pause at 0.78c…. Shareholders calls on the AVZ phone increase as offering price to German accounts increase
Excellent post

Wasn't the Deeland website also registered the same day as the class action was launched?

The two events are definitely linked and are being instigated by the same people imo

There could be a few reasons this is happening but someone is obviously trying to test market appetite for price and trying to turn AVZ shareholders against the board

It reeks of Zijin imo
 
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Also quote: Both the Omni and this Deelands thing Just smell like some ploy to try and place some pressure on the company -‘agree to something and we can all move on’

I can't see how offering over the odds for AVZ shares places any sort of pressure on the company. On the contrary, offering over the odds supports the company's position.

Back to Deeland: Now offering 1.05 Euros/share for min one million shares. Imagine handing over a million shares over the internet to this bunch of suspects, and having to wait three months to get paid. During the three month waiting period your shares are on-sold multiple times and are now owned by the Russian mafia...and you are still waiting to be paid. Anyone who thinks that the Deeland deal is legit is taking a big, big risk...even bigger than investing in a company that seeks to build a mine in the most corrupt jurisdiction in the world.

It's a 100% gold plated scam. As Charbella suggests; Deeland will simply disappear along with your shares.

Cheers
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3 months to get paid? That’s hilarious.
 
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