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Macron to DR Congo leaders:​

Do not look for culprits outside your country​



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Saturday, March 04, 2023
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French President Emmanuel Macron on Saturday, March 4, advised the DR Congo leadership to look inward, stop living in denial about what really ails their country, as well as stop blaming other countries for all its ills.

During a joint press conference with Congolese President Felix Tshisekedi, in Kinshasa, Macron said: “Since 1994, you have never been able to restore the military, security or administrative sovereignty of your country. It's a reality. We must not look for culprits outside.”
Tshisekedi urged Macron to pursue international sanctions against Rwanda for its alleged support for the M23 rebellion, an allegation Kigali has refuted.

Relations between the two countries have gone from bad to worse in the past two years, with Kinshasa accusing Kigali of supporting the M23 rebels’ resurgence. Kigali maintains that the sustained collaboration between the Congolese army and armed groups, especially the FDLR – a militia formed nearly three decades ago by the masterminds of the 1994 genocide against the Tutsi – is at the heart of the insecurity affecting the region.

The FDLR, a UN sanctioned genocidal group based in eastern DR Congo for close to three decades, has launched attacks on Rwanda throughout the years, including in 2019 when fighters of its RUD Urunana faction killed 14 civilians in Musanze District in Northern Province.

A 2022 report by Pole Institute, a non-governmental organization operating in DR Congo, indicates that the genocidal militia makes enormous amounts of money in different illegal trade activities in eastern DR Congo. It shows that the economic empire of the FDLR is based on three pillars – illegal exploitation of the country’s timber, poaching, and collection of royalties for agriculture as well as transport exploitation.

Lately, 17 provincial members of parliament in North Kivu have asked President Felix Tshisekedi to address the issue of FDLR’s presence in eastern DR Congo as part of efforts to find a lasting solution to the crisis.
Peace talks aimed at restoring order in DR Congo have taken place in Nairobi, Kenya and Angola’s capital, Luanda as well as in Addis Ababa, Ethiopia, and New York, USA, among other places.

Regional leaders have called for a cease-fire in eastern DR Congo and for the M23 rebels to withdraw from territories they are holding, and the FDLR to disarm and embark on an unconditional repatriation. The M23 rebels withdrew from some areas but the genocidal militia has not budged.

President Paul Kagame has noted that blaming Rwanda without addressing the root causes of the conflict, which include failure by successive Congolese governments to honour several agreements it had signed with M23 to reintegrate them will not solve the problem.

Ahead of Macron’s arrival in Kinshasa, some Congolese demonstrated outside the French Embassy in Kinshasa and elsewhere against his trip to their country. Chanting “Macron assassin” or “Macron get out”, protestors accused Macron of backing Rwanda which their government claims is supporting the M23 rebels in eastern DR Congo.

The M23 rebels are fighting for the rights and the safety of their communities - Congolese Tutsi, who, for nearly 30 years, have been targeted and killed based solely on their ethnicity.
The continued persecution and a consistent threat to the lives and livelihood of Kinyarwanda speaking Congolese have forced close to 80,000 to seek refuge in Rwanda. Since November 2022, Rwanda has been receiving more than 100 Congolese refugees every day on average.

In February, Rwanda announced that it was reinforcing defensive and preventive mechanisms to guard against violations of the country’s airspace and borders, given its legitimate security concerns triggered by DR Congo's deliberate defiance of regional peace processes.

Some Congolese claim that Rwanda is backing the M23 rebels as part of Kigali’s ploy to plunder the country’s riches. But this theory is debunked by, among others, the simple fact that the country’s leaders have never used its enormous resources to benefit its citizens.

Much of the vast natural resource-rich country is mired in conflict, with more than 130 armed groups operating in the east alone. Despite being endowed with rich natural resources, the second-largest country in Africa is among the five poorest nations in the world.

According to the World Bank, DR Congo is endowed with exceptional natural resources, including minerals such as cobalt and copper, hydropower potential, significant arable land, immense biodiversity, and the world’s second-largest rainforest.

A long history of conflict, political upheaval and instability, and authoritarian rule have led to a grave, ongoing humanitarian crisis. In addition, thousands of Congolese citizens live in neighbouring countries as refugees while thousands others languish in internally displaced peoples’ camps in the country.

In 2021, nearly 64 percent of Congolese, just under 60 million people, lived on less than $2.15 a day. About one out of six people living in extreme poverty in Sub-Saharan Africa lives in DR Congo.
 
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Macron to DR Congo leaders:​

Do not look for culprits outside your country​



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James Karuhanga

James Karuhanga
Saturday, March 04, 2023
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French President Emmanuel Macron on Saturday, March 4, advised the DR Congo leadership to look inward, stop living in denial about what really ails their country, as well as stop blaming other countries for all its ills.

During a joint press conference with Congolese President Felix Tshisekedi, in Kinshasa, Macron said: “Since 1994, you have never been able to restore the military, security or administrative sovereignty of your country. It's a reality. We must not look for culprits outside.”
Tshisekedi urged Macron to pursue international sanctions against Rwanda for its alleged support for the M23 rebellion, an allegation Kigali has refuted.

Relations between the two countries have gone from bad to worse in the past two years, with Kinshasa accusing Kigali of supporting the M23 rebels’ resurgence. Kigali maintains that the sustained collaboration between the Congolese army and armed groups, especially the FDLR – a militia formed nearly three decades ago by the masterminds of the 1994 genocide against the Tutsi – is at the heart of the insecurity affecting the region.

The FDLR, a UN sanctioned genocidal group based in eastern DR Congo for close to three decades, has launched attacks on Rwanda throughout the years, including in 2019 when fighters of its RUD Urunana faction killed 14 civilians in Musanze District in Northern Province.

A 2022 report by Pole Institute, a non-governmental organization operating in DR Congo, indicates that the genocidal militia makes enormous amounts of money in different illegal trade activities in eastern DR Congo. It shows that the economic empire of the FDLR is based on three pillars – illegal exploitation of the country’s timber, poaching, and collection of royalties for agriculture as well as transport exploitation.

Lately, 17 provincial members of parliament in North Kivu have asked President Felix Tshisekedi to address the issue of FDLR’s presence in eastern DR Congo as part of efforts to find a lasting solution to the crisis.
Peace talks aimed at restoring order in DR Congo have taken place in Nairobi, Kenya and Angola’s capital, Luanda as well as in Addis Ababa, Ethiopia, and New York, USA, among other places.

Regional leaders have called for a cease-fire in eastern DR Congo and for the M23 rebels to withdraw from territories they are holding, and the FDLR to disarm and embark on an unconditional repatriation. The M23 rebels withdrew from some areas but the genocidal militia has not budged.

President Paul Kagame has noted that blaming Rwanda without addressing the root causes of the conflict, which include failure by successive Congolese governments to honour several agreements it had signed with M23 to reintegrate them will not solve the problem.

Ahead of Macron’s arrival in Kinshasa, some Congolese demonstrated outside the French Embassy in Kinshasa and elsewhere against his trip to their country. Chanting “Macron assassin” or “Macron get out”, protestors accused Macron of backing Rwanda which their government claims is supporting the M23 rebels in eastern DR Congo.

The M23 rebels are fighting for the rights and the safety of their communities - Congolese Tutsi, who, for nearly 30 years, have been targeted and killed based solely on their ethnicity.
The continued persecution and a consistent threat to the lives and livelihood of Kinyarwanda speaking Congolese have forced close to 80,000 to seek refuge in Rwanda. Since November 2022, Rwanda has been receiving more than 100 Congolese refugees every day on average.

In February, Rwanda announced that it was reinforcing defensive and preventive mechanisms to guard against violations of the country’s airspace and borders, given its legitimate security concerns triggered by DR Congo's deliberate defiance of regional peace processes.

Some Congolese claim that Rwanda is backing the M23 rebels as part of Kigali’s ploy to plunder the country’s riches. But this theory is debunked by, among others, the simple fact that the country’s leaders have never used its enormous resources to benefit its citizens.

Much of the vast natural resource-rich country is mired in conflict, with more than 130 armed groups operating in the east alone. Despite being endowed with rich natural resources, the second-largest country in Africa is among the five poorest nations in the world.

According to the World Bank, DR Congo is endowed with exceptional natural resources, including minerals such as cobalt and copper, hydropower potential, significant arable land, immense biodiversity, and the world’s second-largest rainforest.

A long history of conflict, political upheaval and instability, and authoritarian rule have led to a grave, ongoing humanitarian crisis. In addition, thousands of Congolese citizens live in neighbouring countries as refugees while thousands others languish in internally displaced peoples’ camps in the country.

In 2021, nearly 64 percent of Congolese, just under 60 million people, lived on less than $2.15 a day. About one out of six people living in extreme poverty in Sub-Saharan Africa lives in DR Congo.
Yep sell the fucking thing Nigel.
 
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Congo President Tells Macron Conflict in East May Delay Election​

  • French president says violators of peace process risk sanction
  • Tshisekedi, Macron talk war, trade, climate at Congo meeting
Felix Tshisekedi, right, and Emmanuel Macron hold a joint press conference during their meeting at the Palace of the Nation in Kinshasa, Democratic Republic of the Congo, on March 4.

Felix Tshisekedi, right, and Emmanuel Macron hold a joint press conference during their meeting at the Palace of the Nation in Kinshasa, Democratic Republic of the Congo, on March 4.Photographer: Ludovic Marin/AFP/Getty Images
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Michael J Kavanagh
5 March 2023 at 00:42 GMT+8

Violence in eastern Democratic Republic of Congo that’s displaced nearly 7 million people could delay elections scheduled for December, President Felix Tshisekedi told French President Emmanuel Macron.
Voter enrollment has started in the rest of the country, and Tshisekedi, during a meeting Saturday in Kinshasa, urged Macron and the European Union to support a peace plan and a process for displaced people to return home and register to vote.
“If not, we risk a considerable delay that could impact the planned date” for the vote, Tshisekedi told reporters.

A surge in violence in eastern Congo has displaced more Congolese than at any time in the 30-year history of conflict in the region, according to United Nations figures. More than one hundred armed groups are active in the mineral-rich east, which borders Uganda, Rwanda and Burundi.
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Residents dismantle a vehicle belonging to the UN Stabilization Mission in the Democratic Republic of Congo in Kanyaruchinya, Nyiragongo territory, DRC, on Feb. 8.
Photographer: Guerchom Ndebo/AFP/Getty Images

Tshisekedi and a UN group of experts accuse Rwanda of supporting one of the armed groups, the M23, which says it’s protecting Congolese of Rwandan heritage. An ongoing offensive by the group has forced hundreds of thousands to flee and threatens the trading hub of Goma.

Rwanda denies backing the rebels, and has committed to a regional peace plan overseen by ex-Kenyan President Uhuru Kenyatta and Angolan President Joao Lourenco.
“Those who are obstacles to this plan know what they’re exposed to, including sanctions,” Macron said.
Macron met with Lourenco on Friday as part of a four-nation tour to shore up French relations in Central Africa and highlight the importance of the Congo Basin, the world’s second largest tropical rainforest, in the fight against climate change.

On Saturday, Tshisekedi and Macron spoke about the protection of Congo’s forests as well as trade and the mining of strategic minerals. Congo is a major producer of copper and cobalt, key metals in the global energy transition.

The leaders discussed the support of French geological survey, BRGM, in mapping Congo’s mineral deposits, Tshisekedi said.
Both presidents also mentioned the checkered, post-colonial history of France in Africa, and called for a change in their relationship.
In 2021, Macron traveled to Rwanda to accept some responsibility for supporting the perpetrators of the 1994 genocide there. Violence later spread to eastern Congo; its legacy still haunts the region and is at the root of many of the east’s conflicts.

Macron pushed back against claims that France bore ongoing responsibility for the persistent violence.
“Since 1994, it’s not the fault of France, forgive me for saying it in such raw terms, that you have not been capable of restoring sovereignty — neither military, security, or administrative — in your country. This is the reality,” Macron said Saturday. “You don’t need to search for guilty parties outside the country.”

Congo was colonized by Belgium but has long had close ties to France. It’s now the world’s largest French-speaking nation and has become “the center of gravity” of the language, Macron said.
 
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Then there's another scenario China controls the world and wombat becomes its slave i.e. has to work hard for 1 meal a day and loses his right to mouth off/whinge about the occupiers. This man's vision must be putting him close to ending up in the looney bin.
 
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Then there's another scenario China controls the world and wombat becomes its slave i.e. has to work hard for 1 meal a day and loses his right to mouth off/whinge about the occupiers. This man's vision must be putting him close to ending up in the looney bin.
Fair enough geo -au . Weren't you a top 20 holder in AVQ (Axiom Mining ) ranting about it's amazing future as you watched all of your investment go down the sh1tter . So I'll give you some cred for actually being someone who has experience in this kind of sh1t storm and coming up a sucker . I'm not bitching , I'm putting out the argument that a compromise is better than losing ones investment . Some want the all or nothing approach , give the Chinese nothing . That's cool but I don't agree and I'm just responding to that . And I'm cool with you being a smart arse . Water off a duck's back .
 
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OK so I've just been contacted by Jens Emil Soderlund on my twitter private message. He has asked me to lay off the so called "Memes" (they are not memes they are tactical comms). He said just lay off because the President is getting pissed off with them (embarrassing).

The request was to lay off just for this week. (obviously due to Macron visit). I told him I hadn't even started yet and have an entire campaign to roll out. But I'm happy to take a collective sense check from everyone in here to see what you reckon. Whether to let up for a bit.

I think the sore point is the Princess IGF piece. Apparently she is loved by her constituents and her people. And insulting her is not helping.

Anyway let me know.
 
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OK so I've just been contacted by Jens Emil Soderlund on my twitter private message. He has asked me to lay off the so called "Memes" (they are not memes they are tactical comms). He said just lay off because the President is getting pissed off with them (embarrassing).

The request was to lay off just for this week. (obviously due to Macron visit). I told him I hadn't even started yet and have an entire campaign to roll out. But I'm happy to take a collective sense check from everyone in here to see what you reckon. Whether to let up for a bit.

I think the sore point is the Princess IGF piece. Apparently she is loved by her constituents and her people. And insulting her is not helping.

Anyway let me know.
Well anything that's not helping as conveyed by one of our Local supporters obviously isn't helping. Stopping for a week or so isn't that hard. Imo
 
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I’m still a firm believer embarrassment is a great way to cause action, the fact FT is embarrassed (if true) means he’s more than aware of the situation.. which is good for us.
Take the week off.. see what comes out of it
 
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He said just lay off because the President is getting pissed off with them (embarrassing).
Easy fix - give AVZ it's mining licence. No more tactical comms required. This is the most progress we have made in 10 months.
Edit: Spike - one fine day I am shouting you a beer or two!
 
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Fair enough geo -au . Weren't you a top 20 holder in AVQ (Axiom Mining ) ranting about it's amazing future as you watched all of your investment go down the sh1tter . So I'll give you some cred for actually being someone who has experience in this kind of sh1t storm and coming up a sucker . I'm not bitching , I'm putting out the argument that a compromise is better than losing ones investment . Some want the all or nothing approach , give the Chinese nothing . That's cool but I don't agree and I'm just responding to that . And I'm cool with you being a smart arse . Water off a duck's back .
Wombat,

Regardless of if you choose a slow death or a quick death you are still dead in the long run. People need to hold the line against the wicked.

We all know who they are.

Regards,

SilentOne.
 
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I love what your doing mate and if he’s pissed off/embarrassed then he knows how to fix it!
 
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He said just lay off because the President is getting pissed off with them (embarrassing).
Easy fix - give AVZ it's mining licence. No more tactical comms required. This is the most progress we have made in 10 months.
That is exactly what I said to him.
 
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OK so I've just been contacted by Jens Emil Soderlund on my twitter private message. He has asked me to lay off the so called "Memes" (they are not memes they are tactical comms). He said just lay off because the President is getting pissed off with them (embarrassing).

The request was to lay off just for this week. (obviously due to Macron visit). I told him I hadn't even started yet and have an entire campaign to roll out. But I'm happy to take a collective sense check from everyone in here to see what you reckon. Whether to let up for a bit.

I think the sore point is the Princess IGF piece. Apparently she is loved by her constituents and her people. And insulting her is not helping.

Anyway let me know.
She is only loved by her constituents because they aren't aware of how exactly she tried to rat fuck them. If she doesn't like being 'insulted' she shouldn't have sold her country out. And the idea that the facts in the IGF report would be any less damaging next week is ridiculous.

I sincerely doubt that this sort of request came from Felix. More likely it's from AVZ management as they are in negotiations with the DRC government this week imo
 
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OK so I've just been contacted by Jens Emil Soderlund on my twitter private message. He has asked me to lay off the so called "Memes" (they are not memes they are tactical comms). He said just lay off because the President is getting pissed off with them (embarrassing).

The request was to lay off just for this week. (obviously due to Macron visit). I told him I hadn't even started yet and have an entire campaign to roll out. But I'm happy to take a collective sense check from everyone in here to see what you reckon. Whether to let up for a bit.

I think the sore point is the Princess IGF piece. Apparently she is loved by her constituents and her people. And insulting her is not helping.

Anyway let me know.

Stopping for 1 week isn't hard but don't think you need to if you wanted to keep going.

He has had months to sort this shit out and he has done fkall, so he can go cry a river.

IMO.
 
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Fair enough geo -au . Weren't you a top 20 holder in AVQ (Axiom Mining ) ranting about it's amazing future as you watched all of your investment go down the sh1tter . So I'll give you some cred for actually being someone who has experience in this kind of sh1t storm and coming up a sucker . I'm not bitching , I'm putting out the argument that a compromise is better than losing ones investment . Some want the all or nothing approach , give the Chinese nothing . That's cool but I don't agree and I'm just responding to that . And I'm cool with you being a smart arse . Water off a duck's back .
Yes, but the worse case scenario is AVZ end up with a controlling interest of 51% but they are fighting for what they're entitled to under DRC law that is the reason why we are still in a trading halt.

My investment in the Solomon Islands is dead, I can live with that as I've done well in other stocks.
 
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She is only loved by her constituents because they aren't aware of how exactly she tried to rat fuck them. If she doesn't like being 'insulted' she shouldn't have sold her country out. And the idea that the facts in the IGF report would be any less damaging next week is ridiculous.

I sincerely doubt that this sort of request came from Felix. More likely it's from AVZ management as they are in negotiations with the DRC government this week imo
100% correct - this is from AVZ.
 
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OK so I've just been contacted by Jens Emil Soderlund on my twitter private message. He has asked me to lay off the so called "Memes" (they are not memes they are tactical comms). He said just lay off because the President is getting pissed off with them (embarrassing).

The request was to lay off just for this week. (obviously due to Macron visit). I told him I hadn't even started yet and have an entire campaign to roll out. But I'm happy to take a collective sense check from everyone in here to see what you reckon. Whether to let up for a bit.

I think the sore point is the Princess IGF piece. Apparently she is loved by her constituents and her people. And insulting her is not helping.

Anyway let me know.
So who’s telling Jen’s?
 
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So who’s telling Jen’s?
that's easy, Deboss :devilish: , nige to DB, DB to JE, JE to Spike.
ps imo Spikerama your invention, your call, maybe ask JE to get Nige to confirm to YOU that he wants you to put on hold 4 a wk ;)
pps if NF can't be bothered to do that let it run :LOL:
 
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OK so I've just been contacted by Jens Emil Soderlund on my twitter private message. He has asked me to lay off the so called "Memes" (they are not memes they are tactical comms). He said just lay off because the President is getting pissed off with them (embarrassing).

The request was to lay off just for this week. (obviously due to Macron visit). I told him I hadn't even started yet and have an entire campaign to roll out. But I'm happy to take a collective sense check from everyone in here to see what you reckon. Whether to let up for a bit.

I think the sore point is the Princess IGF piece. Apparently she is loved by her constituents and her people. And insulting her is not helping.

Anyway let me know.
The President is getting pissed off hey? :unsure:

What about the thousands of investors who've pumped money into this project under the proviso that the DRC is a great place for foreign investment only to be stifled and blocked by his corrupt government and the Chinese at every turn.

The one guy who can do something is embarrassed by his own inaction.

And fuck MoP, what a useless lowlife looter of state assets and Chinese puppet.

I'd maybe give it a week and step up the campaign tenfold particularly against her.
Surely popularity by an uninformed populace doesn't give one the right to loot and pillage state assets for personal gain. Justice has to be served to these people.
 
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That is exactly what I said to him.
What do we achieve by stopping for 1 week? FT has done nothing to help AVZ. If he's feeling uncomfortable and embarrassed, he knows how to fix the problem.
 
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