AVZ Discussion 2022

[John25]

Yes, i know I've shaken my head in dismay multiple times lately when reading the posts and replies by some of our AVZ investors on Twitter. I'm not talking about the good crowd here who post facts and so on, but there is another undercurrent of hostility put forward by some that's causing a lot of Congolose on Twitter to question the image of AVZ. That's not ideal. Totally understand the frustrations, but we don't need to be swearing at and unbeccessarily antagonising members of our host-community - I doubt it brings us any benefit and quite the reverse.

Again - this isn't directed towards those putting forward the non-hostile campaign against corruption online.

Hi Roon
Totally frustrating for most SH’s particularly myself …Last AGM our fearless leader admitted his communication to SH’s was a little on the light side & planned to improve on this ,hence 4+ months on & NOT a single message from him …

We as SH’s are left guessing/speculating on whereabouts of our Leadership team…I understand the fragility of certain information but it does’nt hurt to announce who’s where doing what in this circus .Nigel has spent most his working life digging around the DRC & not knowing the extent of the corruption in this place & not being fully prepared for it shows a kind of ignorance or arrogance …take your pick

Not being on twitter looks like a god send for myself …most of it posted here seems a load of self indulgent crap …but after last night finding myself fond of certain french phrases

 

[Panther22]

I'm home from the pub. What did l miss?

 

[tonster66]

I am seeing the latest ann as positive. This is the first ann that I can remember where they have not referred the DRC officials as competent. In fact they have done the opposite and have stated that they are corrupt through the influence of the non-state actors, this is a huge positive.
This is an ann released on the ASX, it is now recorded in their annals for the entire world to see. That is the DRC can be influenced to break their own laws, not good if want Foreign Direct Investment.

 

[Roon]

Hi Roon
Totally frustrating for most SH’s particularly myself …Last AGM our fearless leader admitted his communication to SH’s was a little on the light side & planned to improve on this ,hence 4+ months on & NOT a single message from him …

We as SH’s are left guessing/speculating on whereabouts of our Leadership team…I understand the fragility of certain information but it does hurt to announce who’s where doing what in this circus .Nigel has spent most his working life digging around the DRC & not knowing the extent of the corruption in this place & not being fully prepared for it shows a kind of ignorance or arrogance …take your pick

Not being on twitter looks like a god send for myself …most of it posted here seems a load of self indulgent crap …but after last night finding myself fond of certain french phrases

Haha I do enjoy a good bout of French now and again. Unfortunately I'm overseas working in a dry area so haven't been able to display any lubricated efforts towards Mantle seizure but all in good time

Couldn't agree more on Management communication to SH's and to the market. It's been pathetic, even if there are good reasons towards the less-is-more info sharing tactic. I just hope that the level of competence displayed in our strategic communications isn't replicated in our comms to the DRC government. I've lost a lot of confidence in the team in the past year or so, but will still back them for now - as what's the alternative?

Just hope the AVZ faithful can keep the narrative at least semi-respectful when engaging with DRC actors, even when presenting accusative facts

 

[Frank]

Tshisekedi to members of the Sama 2 government: "You have the obligation of results"

The President of the Republic chaired, this Friday, March 31, 2023, in Kinshasa, the first meeting of the Council of Ministers of the Sama Lukonde 2 government.

This meeting comes a week after the reshuffle of the government led by Prime Minister Jean-Michel Sama Lukonde.

The new and old ministers found themselves alongside President Tshisekedi.

We saw in particular Jean-Pierre Bemba, Vital Kamerhe and Peter Kazadi, respectively Deputy Prime Ministers in charge of Defense, National Economy and Interior, Security and Customary Affairs.

Speaking, the President of the Republic expressed his expectations to this new team.

"You have the obligation of results", underlined the Head of State, while recalling the many expectations of the Congolese population.

It should be noted that the Sama Lukonde 2 government comprises 58 members, including 16 women, distributed as follows: 5 VPM, 11 Ministers of State, 38 Ministers, 1 Delegate Minister and 12 Deputy Ministers.

mediacongo


Food for thought on the long and winding road to Manono

Cheers

Frank

*ps- Go Pies

 

[RHyNO]

I have never given you details nor will I. My info is not from the company and as I said we are closer to a resolution. Whether you belive that or not is immaterial. Get it

Mate you are amazing “I know all this stuff look at my big house and European car”. Stop bragging stop talking shit. Your bringing the entire community down with your untrustworthy boomer lies

 

[MoneyBags1348]

Wow a big Friday night happening out there!
Just home after watching my old home team Melbourne Storm smashing the bunnies and seeing that my team, the new power house of the Aussie rules - the mighty magpies thrashing the tigers! What else do you need in life!!!

Well let me tell you what I f..king need! And it's not to see One Direction the band playing at Suncorp Stadium, I want and I need, like most others, what direction we're at and what direction we're heading!

Imo some on here need to take a chill pill and get over what the BoD's are getting paid. Really,(all imo) this day and age if you have a position in a company with some importance (such as our BoD), $250k per year plus is not alot.
The guys & gal's holding ️ and signs in Sydney and Melbourne are earning more than that. Up here in sunny Brisbane , the bikies are earning four times that!! .

I think we need to relax on the current announcement a little.
99% of us would of been happy with just an extension of the current extension. But they've thrown in 'the difficulties they're facing'! Well fuck me, if you all never thought that we were facing adversities, well fuck me! Atleast they have said it!

From what I know (& that's not much) things are happening (albeit slowly), and I'd like to say we're closer than ever - but that's not true, because we were more or less guaranteed more than a few times late last year (RS time) and February this year that ML was in the bag, only to be foiled at the last minute by the corrupt driven cu.ts!

We are close, and I believe NF & the board are doing everything correctly in our best interests. Alot here think that the BOD don't give a fuck about us shareholders, but I have to totally disagree.
I'll put it on the table - we have five directors (not including our well dressed chairman), I wouldn't (except for RB) do there jobs for $$ any amount at the moment. They have spent months away from their homes and loved ones and still they have no answer to avz's future! Pardon my French, but fuck me! Yet people on here, go on about the wages they're on!!

Imo, we'll all know where we're at in the coming week or two. Once again imo, if we don't know by then, I reckon we are Fucked!

Also can I say one more thing before I pass out with my knickers around my ankles, in my opinion ignore the winks on twitter & the f..kwits like geo and crew on here because no one has any idea what direction we will end up going down at the moment!!

Goodnight
Nells xxxx

It’s been a testing time Nell’s…. strangely enough culminating with me even ‘liking’ and several posts from shareholders here I’ve previously had pretty unsavoury words with

Now that you’ve told us how much the people holding signs are earning I’m considering applying for the job at the school crossing down the road….

If I get the position it might mean I don’t have as much time to spend on here so as the original Mantle holder I just want to say it was a very good effort, and although not quite enough to lift the Mantle from @Winenut, definitely worthy of an honourable mention…. Another selfie might have actually got it for you

Nice to see you back and full of fire, it’s been a while since the pineapple days…. having a sense of humour helps

 

[John25]

It’s been a testing time Nell’s…. strangely enough culminating with me even ‘liking’ and several posts from shareholders here I’ve previously had pretty unsavoury words with

Now that you’ve told us how much the people holding signs are earning I’m considering applying for the job at the school crossing down the road….

If I get the position it might mean I don’t have as much time to spend on here so as the original Mantle holder I just want to say it was a very good effort, and although not quite enough to lift the Mantle from @Winenut, definitely worthy of an honourable mention…. Another selfie might have actually got it for you

Nice to see you back and full of fire, it’s been a while since the pineapple days…. having a sense of humour helps

Shit …Bags Dont worry about selfies …we have her running across The West Gate Bridge 2.8 klm in length when we come out of suspension .Whilst on mindless jobs bags …we’ve got a load of road works going on over here at present & spotted my ideal job

After passing countless road signs & cones (traffic that is) you come to a set of lights ….which usually read ….traffic starts coming in the opposite direction following a white ute .Ute pulls over allowing following traffic to pass then proceeds to opposite lane .On green light you are allowed to follow Ute which carries a sign “Follow Me” the poor bastard changing traffic signals are on their feet exposed to the sun plus in verbal range of passing traffic …So rounding it off …thats my ideal SIGN job …”Follow Me” …Thanks all for a great forum …the trolls are so easily recognised …banter is sometimes aggressive but respectful because we are mostly in the same boat …some days it may seem the “Titanic “others the “Sea Princess “ hope your team wins or you back a few winners sure cheaper than therapy

 

[Samus]

I found this an interesting statement.

I would also encourage Aussie retail investors to continue to learn more about how Congolese (regular folks and its elites) currently view the West and the geopolitical rivalry in Africa w/ China. One concrete (though imperfect) way to do so is to continue to follow Congolese Twitter influencers and their tweets about the US, Russia, Mali, France, the conflict w/ Rwanda and the M23 rebel groups, etc. Of all of Africa's peoples, Congolese are deeply skeptical of Westerners and intrigued by China's rise. And, given their history, it is from their vantage point understandable. $AVZ

 

[9cardomaha]

just wanted to share the advertisements i am getting on forum:

You all getting European wives, i get this sort of stuff "clicks on links and fills in credit card deats"

 

[Deleted member 1612]

I found this an interesting statement.

I would also encourage Aussie retail investors to continue to learn more about how Congolese (regular folks and its elites) currently view the West and the geopolitical rivalry in Africa w/ China. One concrete (though imperfect) way to do so is to continue to follow Congolese Twitter influencers and their tweets about the US, Russia, Mali, France, the conflict w/ Rwanda and the M23 rebel groups, etc. Of all of Africa's peoples, Congolese are deeply skeptical of Westerners and intrigued by China's rise. And, given their history, it is from their vantage point understandable. $AVZ

Any idea who the Congolese Twitter influencers are?

 

[Flight996]

I found this an interesting statement.

I would also encourage Aussie retail investors to continue to learn more about how Congolese (regular folks and its elites) currently view the West and the geopolitical rivalry in Africa w/ China. One concrete (though imperfect) way to do so is to continue to follow Congolese Twitter influencers and their tweets about the US, Russia, Mali, France, the conflict w/ Rwanda and the M23 rebel groups, etc. Of all of Africa's peoples, Congolese are deeply skeptical of Westerners and intrigued by China's rise. And, given their history, it is from their vantage point understandable. $AVZ

Interesting point Sammael.

We tend to view things through a Western lens where the separation of powers, rule of law and accountability are givens. We denounce and condemn graft and corruption. However, other countries, including the DRC have a different set of values, particularly where government and business intersect. Regardless of whether we like it or not, graft, corruption and payola are accepted ways of getting things through an opaque and often moribund system.

While AVZ should not engage in corruption, it helps to understand the local context and negotiate agreements that all sides can live with, rather than perhaps maintaining the moral high ground and losing a head-to-head battle. AVZ cannot win a zero sum game when the table is rigged and the umpire makes up the rules on the fly. That means ultimately giving something in order to remain in the game.

Cheers
F

 

[MoneyBags1348]

Shit …Bags Dont worry about selfies …we have her running across The West Gate Bridge 2.8 klm in length when we come out of suspension .Whilst on mindless jobs bags …we’ve got a load of road works going on over here at present & spotted my ideal job

After passing countless road signs & cones (traffic that is) you come to a set of lights ….which usually read ….traffic starts coming in the opposite direction following a white ute .Ute pulls over allowing following traffic to pass then proceeds to opposite lane .On green light you are allowed to follow Ute which carries a sign “Follow Me” the poor bastard changing traffic signals are on their feet exposed to the sun plus in verbal range of passing traffic …So rounding it off …thats my ideal SIGN job …”Follow Me” …Thanks all for a great forum …the trolls are so easily recognised …banter is sometimes aggressive but respectful because we are mostly in the same boat …some days it may seem the “Titanic “others the “Sea Princess “ hope your team wins or you back a few winners sure cheaper than therapy
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Here’s my kind of traffic controller John. He gives directions on bridges as well…. Might even do a good job of controlling the traffic here, including telling me where to go



@Sammael I follow a lot of news like your last post refers to and I’m starting to wonder if a certain President in Africa shares a lot of similarities with a certain former President in the US currently facing indictment charges

It doesn’t seem normal when someone who wears watches worth several hundred thousand dollars, and has known about the corruption we have had to deal with for the last year isn’t prepared to take action against these corrupt non state actors

Simon Cong is a non state actor….
“If presidential palaces are symbols of the power of heads of state, other places and buildings still play a crucial role. This is the case of the Fleuve Congo, whose 22 floors and old-fashioned charm dominate the heart of Kinshasa.”

It is where the Congolese state accommodates its guests and some of its dignitaries. Some government figures even have year-round reservations. With rooms that cost between €300 ($299) and €1200 a night, guests are bound to be important.

Simon Cong is a key intermediary between the Congolese state and several large Chinese companies. He owns Sopeco, the company that manages the tolls on the road between Kinshasa and the port of Matadi, and on the road between Kolwezi and Lubumbashi, in Katanga. He is also close to Guy Loando Mboyo, a lawyer who became Tshisekedi’s minister for territorial development with the rank of minister of state.

The Fleuve hotel is also the headquarters of the Congo Construction Company, a company owned by Du Wei, a friend of Cong. The businessman is also well known in Kinshasa and his company is one of the major actors exposed by ‘Congo Hold-up‘, the investigation led by a consortium of media and NGOs on the massive embezzlement of funds during Joseph Kabila’s reign for alleged roles in the ‘contract of the century’- an agreement signed between the DRC and China that has never been honoured.

 

[Onthefm]

Interesting point Sammael.

We tend to view things through a Western lens where the separation of powers, rule of law and accountability are givens. We denounce and condemn graft and corruption. However, other countries, including the DRC have a different set of values, particularly where government and business intersect. Regardless of whether we like it or not, graft, corruption and payola are accepted ways of getting things through an opaque and often moribund system.

While AVZ should not engage in corruption, it helps to understand the local context and negotiate agreements that all sides can live with, rather than perhaps fighting a losing head-to-head battle. AVZ cannot win a zero sum game when the table is rigged and the umpire makes up the rules on the fly. That means ultimately giving something in order to remain in the game.

Cheers
F

You mean like the 50 mil 12 months ago that could of been an adjustment to the sale price due to the Stella dfs. And help to bring forward the ml. Yep .

 

[Samus]

Any idea who the Congolese Twitter influencers are?

@KasongoKas is one of them who often speaks about avz, as for others who speak more broadly about western/congolese politics I've come accross them but don't remember any names.
In twitter I find it is better to follow a bunch of people who speak in relation to AVZ and about congolese politics than to put things like '$AVZ' or '#Manono' in the search terms, this way you get a broader representation of people speaking about issues relating to AVZ, Manono and political corruption even if they're not tagging the subject.

 

[Samus]

You mean like the 50 mil 12 months ago that could of been an adjustment to the sale price due to the Stella dfs. And help to bring forward the ml. Yep .

You mean like giving in to bribery and paying Cong 50 mil opening the flood gates to have Chinese and corrupt officials crawling all over eachother to grab nigel by the balls and demand a slice of pie?
Just another way to look at it.

 

[Onthefm]

You mean like giving in to bribery and paying Cong 50 mil opening the flood gates to have Chinese and corrupt officials crawling all over eachother to grab nigel by the balls and demand a slice of pie?
Just another way to look at it.

Grabbing nigle by the dolls and demanding a bigger slice. Isn't that exactly what has happened? Even with all the drc laws and all the secret squirrel shit.

 

[Rediah]

Not AVZ related, but still indirectly it is.

I am not worried about us missing out on selling our goods, as long as we are allowed to mine, we will be fine

$5 $10 $15 $20


"That will need a lot of lithium," he said, according to The Detroit News. "Not only the lithium may not be enough, but the concentration of the mining of lithium may create other geopolitical issues."

 

[BEISHA]

Nothing new here, but just another deeply concerning video about the engrained deep rooted influence China has in not only the DRC but Africa as a whole.



In essence, China controls Africa and its decision making, which no doubt , is the core problem with AVZ obtaining a ML.

With the sheer size and grade of Manono as per this bubble chart (with AVZ bubble only representing RD and not CDL, so potentially 3 / 4 times bigger ), it completely encapsulates its world peers , so China influence is working really hard to garner control of this project , so they can ultimately control the global lithium price mechanism, like they do with rare earths and other commodities.

China has long seen Africa as the mineral solution to the worlds needs, which is why they have muscled their way into African culture decades before the west , belatedly the US and other european countries have seen the light and now making overtures towards Africa, so now its become a geopolitical football with China being the front runner by a country mile.

Speaking of geopolitical footballs, and this is slightly offtopic when it comes to the fight for Manono, but never the less demonstrates the lengths via corruption or otherwise China is prepared to go for world dominance......semiconductor micro chips.

You might have read stories about chip embargoes directed towards China from the west recently, well the facts remain, China is not a country that revolutionises technology, it steals technology ( similar to what they are trying to do with Manono ) or uses its financial clout to buy out leading companies.......something they have been doing for decades .

This is a fascinating video below that depicts that fact



So what is the REAL reason why China wants to invade / control TAIWAN ?





Forget about all this sovereignty bullshit that China claims it has over Taiwan and they should re unite , China couldnt give a shit about that........it has other motives, which also explains why the US are prepared to defend Taiwan even tho its not a NATO member......


I guess why i am highlighting all these reveals , which as i said before is nothing new if you study China progression over the years, is that i really didnt like the tone of the belated AVZ announcement via the ASX on Friday.........

"The Company is concerned that the continued activity of the hostile non-state
actors may influence the decisions of the key authorities in DRC in a manner that
is contrary to applicable law and materially adverse to the interests of the
Company."


I am not suggesting for one minute that Manono will be stolen from us completely, but me thinks that serious concessions will have to be considered by the BOD due to the mighty influence that China has over the DRC and FT, otherwise you would of thought that the IGF report would have been honoured and acted on a long time ago


Food for thought


imo

 

[Dazmac66]

Nothing new here, but just another deeply concerning video about the engrained deep rooted influence China has in not only the DRC but Africa as a whole.



In essence, China controls Africa and its decision making, which no doubt , is the core problem with AVZ obtaining a ML.

View attachment 33425
With the sheer size and grade of Manono as per this bubble chart (with AVZ bubble only representing RD and not CDL, so potentially 3 / 4 times bigger ), it completely encapsulates its world peers , so China influence is working really hard to garner control of this project , so they can ultimately control the global lithium price mechanism, like they do with rare earths and other commodities.

China has long seen Africa as the mineral solution to the worlds needs, which is why they have muscled their way into African culture decades before the west , belatedly the US and other european countries have seen the light and now making overtures towards Africa, so now its become a geopolitical football with China being the front runner by a country mile.

Speaking of geopolitical footballs, and this is slightly offtopic when it comes to the fight for Manono, but never the less demonstrates the lengths via corruption or otherwise China is prepared to go for world dominance......semiconductor micro chips.

You might have read stories about chip embargoes directed towards China from the west recently, well the facts remain, China is not a country that revolutionises technology, it steals technology ( similar to what they are trying to do with Manono ) or uses its financial clout to buy out leading companies.......something they have been doing for decades .

This is a fascinating video below that depicts that fact



So what is the REAL reason why China wants to invade / control TAIWAN ?





Forget about all this sovereignty bullshit that China claims it has over Taiwan and they should re unite , China couldnt give a shit about that........it has other motives, which also explains why the US are prepared to defend Taiwan even tho its not a NATO member......


I guess why i am highlighting all these reveals , which as i said before is nothing new if you study China progression over the years, is that i really didnt like the tone of the belated AVZ announcement via the ASX on Friday.........

"The Company is concerned that the continued activity of the hostile non-state
actors may influence the decisions of the key authorities in DRC in a manner that
is contrary to applicable law and materially adverse to the interests of the
Company."


I am not suggesting for one minute that Manono will be stolen from us completely, but me thinks that serious concessions will have to be considered by the BOD due to the mighty influence that China has over the DRC and FT, otherwise you would of thought that the IGF report would have been honoured and acted on a long time ago


Food for thought


imo

Great insight Biesha. I have said it before, unfortunately China is in Mr Presidents ear and pocket. There is no other plausible explanation for his silence and inaction.