AVZ Discussion 2022

[Azzler]

Last year I came across a job ad for the power station by Jin Cheng/Zijin. Hence I assume that work is being done on the site.

They are cunts though, and do shit things like that.

Do you remeber that article on the ground in Manono where they tell the story of Zijin coming into the mine site with a fucking excavator!
Just trying to bully their way in!
They arrested the driver and he was released the next day.

It would be good to get clarity on what exactly is going on with that Hydro plant, Com and MoP were shit talking saying it wasn't ours to play with, but people were saying that wasn't true and we had an arrangement already.
I don't think anything was every clarified.

 

[Dijon101]

"Hence I assume"..... all from a job add? but nothing else?

I'd assume "yeah nah"

Just from the article Sammael posted
"

• To respect the Memorandum of Understanding signed between the Government of the Republic and AVZ POWER SAU for the rehabilitation of the hydroelectric power stations of Mpiana-Mwanga, and of which a representative was to sit in the Technical Monitoring Committee of the said project;"

We know AVZ has a MOA with the Government for Mpiana-Mwanga...
I'd assume from the balance of evidence that its AVZ not Zijin that are doing the work to rehabilitate the power station.

Anyway,
I'm more concerned about if we are mining LITHIUM not who's working on a power station.

 

[oxxa23]

They are cunts though, and do shit things like that.

Do you remeber that article on the ground in Manono where they tell the story of Zijin coming into the mine site with a fucking excavator!
Just trying to bully their way in!
They arrested the driver and he was released the next day.

It would be good to get clarity on what exactly is going on with that Hydro plant, Com and MoP were shit talking saying it wasn't ours to play with, but people were saying that wasn't true and we had an arrangement already.
I don't think anything was every clarified.

Yeah, cominiere was saying they controlled it, not the govt (who we signed contact with).... Hence, their snack buddies z pretending to control it also....

 

[Mr Inappropriate]

They are cunts though, and do shit things like that.

Do you remeber that article on the ground in Manono where they tell the story of Zijin coming into the mine site with a fucking excavator!
Just trying to bully their way in!
They arrested the driver and he was released the next day.

It would be good to get clarity on what exactly is going on with that Hydro plant, Com and MoP were shit talking saying it wasn't ours to play with, but people were saying that wasn't true and we had an arrangement already.
I don't think anything was every clarified.

You’re all spelling #FuckZijin wrong…

 

[cruiser51]

Cadastre has spoken with AVZ, Cominiere, Anser (Electrical Dept.) and a meeting organised by the IGF with the people of MoP.

I don't know if it spoke with Dathomir, or Zijin.

I would say on the basis of these discussions a way forward will be developed.

What will that be?
I would say there will be more discussions following.
As Cadastre CEO has said he works under direction of MoM, which is essentially El Presidente.

After everything is signed and sealed (ML), BoD will announce that fact, but not the progress on the court cases.
Progress of court cases will be discussed after they have been finalised, or if delayed.

AIMO

 

[Doc]

Cadastre has spoken with AVZ, Cominiere, Anser (Electrical Dept.) and a meeting organised by the IGF with the people of MoP.

I don't know if it spoke with Dathomir, or Zijin.

I would say on the basis of these discussions a way forward will be developed.

What will that be?
I would say there will be more discussions following.
As Cadastre CEO has said he works under direction of MoM, which is essentially El Presidente.

After everything is signed and sealed (ML), BoD will announce that fact, but not the progress on the court cases.
Progress of court cases will be discussed after they have been finalised, or if delayed.

AIMO

‘I would say there will be more discussions following.’

There’s an understatement. All they do is talk

 

[Roon]

"Hence I assume"..... all from a job add? but nothing else?

I'd assume "yeah nah"

Just from the article Sammael posted
"

• To respect the Memorandum of Understanding signed between the Government of the Republic and AVZ POWER SAU for the rehabilitation of the hydroelectric power stations of Mpiana-Mwanga, and of which a representative was to sit in the Technical Monitoring Committee of the said project;"

We know AVZ has a MOA with the Government for Mpiana-Mwanga...
I'd assume from the balance of evidence that its AVZ not Zijin that are doing the work to rehabilitate the power station.

Anyway,
I'm more concerned about if we are mining LITHIUM not who's working on a power station.

Without that power station our DFS is not workable and would need major changes.

Cominere management recently stated online that non-AVZ works were in play in Mpiana Mwanga. We have that MoU, but as we've seen agreements of this nature sometimes aren't worth the paper they are written on in DRC - and elsewhere.

It's been flagged up before that Zijin 'got' a contract to revitalize the power plant. Obviously we reject that, but wouldn't surprise me that Zijin Is attempting the boots on the ground approach as one angle they've got to muscle in on the project.

Definitely one to watch.

 

[Samus]

Without that power station our DFS is not workable and would need major changes.

Cominere management recently stated online that non-AVZ works were in play in Mpiana Mwanga. We have that MoU, but as we've seen agreements of this nature sometimes aren't worth the paper they are written on in DRC - and elsewhere.

It's been flagged up before that Zijin 'got' a contract to revitalize the power plant. Obviously we reject that, but wouldn't surprise me that Zijin Is attempting the boots on the ground approach as one angle they've got to muscle in on the project.

Definitely one to watch.

Any evidence of this you can point to Roon?

 

[cruiser51]

Without that power station our DFS is not workable and would need major changes.

Cominere management recently stated online that non-AVZ works were in play in Mpiana Mwanga. We have that MoU, but as we've seen agreements of this nature sometimes aren't worth the paper they are written on in DRC - and elsewhere.

It's been flagged up before that Zijin 'got' a contract to revitalize the power plant. Obviously we reject that, but wouldn't surprise me that Zijin Is attempting the boots on the ground approach as one angle they've got to muscle in on the project.

Definitely one to watch.

If Zijin rehabilitates the PS, it doesn't mean that they own it.

Cominiere and ASER can pay Zijin for the cost of repair and kindly tell them thank you for a job well done, we consider this part payment for holding us up, now buzz off ASER is going to operate it.

 

[Roon]

Any evidence of this you can point to Roon?

Which bit? Cominiere's Twitter page has CKK's claim of work occurring at Mpiana-Mwanga.

Re: contracts, there was a bunch of this stuff in 2022. Just mostly China oriented media like:

(Kinshasa) 7SUR7 media reports, Zijin Mining's subsidiary in Congo (Kinshasa) has successfully obtained the franchise of the Mpiana Mwanga Hydropower Station in the Manono area through bidding. This hydropower station is the only power energy project in the Manono area. The development of the mine is of great significance.

 

[Samus]

Which bit? Cominiere's Twitter page has CKK's claim of work occurring at Mpiana-Mwanga.

Re: contracts, there was a bunch of this stuff in 2022. Just mostly China oriented media like:

(Kinshasa) 7SUR7 media reports, Zijin Mining's subsidiary in Congo (Kinshasa) has successfully obtained the franchise of the Mpiana Mwanga Hydropower Station in the Manono area through bidding. This hydropower station is the only power energy project in the Manono area. The development of the mine is of great significance.

It'd just be nice to have some links to archive instead of having to search out old info intermittently I guess. It's easier and easier to loose track of everything.

 

[Roon]

Agreed - I'll do a bit of a dive into MM power station issues when I'm back on my computer and will drop the results into the other thread. Cheers Sammo.

 

[Roon]

If Zijin rehabilitates the PS, it doesn't mean that they own it.

Cominiere and ASER can pay Zijin for the cost of repair and kindly tell them thank you for a job well done, we consider this part payment for holding us up, now buzz off ASER is going to operate it.

Agreed. It just represents another attack of Zijin though, and a point it could use to try and highlight AVZ's perceived 'lack of headway' in developing the project as outlined in the DFS

 

[Mr Inappropriate]

Without that power station our DFS is not workable and would need major changes.

Cominere management recently stated online that non-AVZ works were in play in Mpiana Mwanga. We have that MoU, but as we've seen agreements of this nature sometimes aren't worth the paper they are written on in DRC - and elsewhere.

It's been flagged up before that Zijin 'got' a contract to revitalize the power plant. Obviously we reject that, but wouldn't surprise me that Zijin Is attempting the boots on the ground approach as one angle they've got to muscle in on the project.

Definitely one to watch.

They are corrupt to the core and will never give up. Even if they end up 0% of Manono they will forever attempt to fuck up our progress through:

• Power plant - delays, “unexpected” outages, outrageous power costs
• Administrative - helping local officials to “find“ problems with the hundreds of things we’ll need to get done to get a mine and plant operational, be it infrastructure, health and safety, environmental, whatever
• Concocting stories to set the locals against us (remember the attacks on our vehicles and equipment about a year back?)
• Direct and indirect physical disruption to plant and equipment
• Disruption near access points and transport facilities to stop or slow equipment and personnel in, or getting product out.

It’s in their DNA - they will not stop. Ever.

#FuckZijin

 

[Dijon101]

Without that power station our DFS is not workable and would need major changes.

Cominere management recently stated online that non-AVZ works were in play in Mpiana Mwanga. We have that MoU, but as we've seen agreements of this nature sometimes aren't worth the paper they are written on in DRC - and elsewhere.

It's been flagged up before that Zijin 'got' a contract to revitalize the power plant. Obviously we reject that, but wouldn't surprise me that Zijin Is attempting the boots on the ground approach as one angle they've got to muscle in on the project.

Definitely one to watch.

Agree with you saying that "agreements are not worth the paper they are written on in the DRC".

I'm just going with this is just another attempt to muddy the waters due to the uptrend in recent positive sentiment lately.

I mean even the pies lost last night.
I'm having a great weekend!

 

[Roon]

They are corrupt to the core and will never give up. Even if they end up 0% of Manono they will forever attempt to fuck up our progress through:

• Power plant - delays, “unexpected” outages, outrageous power costs
• Administrative - helping local officials to “find“ problems with the hundreds of things we’ll need to get done to get a mine and plant operational, be it infrastructure, health and safety, environmental, whatever
• Concocting stories to set the locals against us (remember the attacks on our vehicles and equipment about a year back?)
• Direct and indirect physical disruption to plant and equipment
• Disruption near access points and transport facilities to stop or slow equipment and personnel in, or getting product out.

It’s in their DNA - they will not stop. Ever.

#FuckZijin

Yeah fuck Zijin the corrupt crooks.

Funnily enough I saw that Zijin are doing a public meeting in the country I'm working in ATM to promote their PPP opportunities with the government. I'm definitely considering going and causing ruckus to undermine their other non-AVZ efforts.

 

[cruiser51]

Yeah fuck Zijin the corrupt crooks.

Funnily enough I saw that Zijin are doing a public meeting in the country I'm working in ATM to promote their PPP opportunities with the government. I'm definitely considering going and causing ruckus to undermine their other non-AVZ efforts.

Tellum you are a representative of the Taiwanese Government, that will maximise their bile production to the point it squirts out of their ears.

 

[Roon]

Tellum you are a representative of the Taiwanese Government, that will maximise their bile production to the point it squirts out of their ears.

Here on behalf of the real China



I used to live in China for a few years, no doubt on enough lists already, just add this one on...

 

[Mr Inappropriate]

Yeah fuck Zijin the corrupt crooks.

Funnily enough I saw that Zijin are doing a public meeting in the country I'm working in ATM to promote their PPP opportunities with the government. I'm definitely considering going and causing ruckus to undermine their other non-AVZ efforts.

Oh, please do. Even a few barbed questions here and there would be great.
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[Bonsoir]

Who ever refurbishes the power station have to get a return on their investment, if it’s not AVZ then who are they going to sell the power to…? the population of Manono, I think not as they are to poor so the only ones that will benefit from the power station are the ones that will own the mine.

The population in this area is minimal and power required for other mines in area I assume would not be sufficient to justify the refurbishment.

All about economics.