AVZ Discussion 2022

[TDITD]

Is anyone expecting Jin Chen/Zijin to be a no show in Paris ?

To be honest that would be their best move. They are fighting the indefensible, cant fucking wait!!!!!
Even if they show up its a no show considering how much of a fucking beat down they will receive

 

[TDITD]

According to AVZ the SPA's contained a clause for arbitration outside the DRC. I've never seen the agreements but I'd say they have similar clauses to the Dathcom JVA regarding going through the ICC. Even without a specific clause in the SPA's any dispute between shareholders of Dathcom must go through the ICC anyway under Article 11 of the JVA.

The fact that Cong didn't follow these rules when trying to weasel his way out of the contracts he intended to be bound by shows that he knows that he has no chance of winning based on the facts of the case. Worth remembering AVZ's claims against Dathomir at the ICC include damages.

 

[eqtrade]

This is how I'm interpreting this. Maybe things have once again stalled with DRC ministers pocketing more Chinese flavored snacks, and AVZ are politely saying fuck around and find out. Maybe things are going 'well', however we are simply not as naive anymore and are pushing for signatures on dotted lines. The DRC only seem to respond to Chinese tactics, we can't bribe but we can strongarm with the ICSID.
ICC is good, but it very much seems the ICSID has been their kryptonite.
Excellent work BOD.

Time is now critical for us. The project has been delayed for years and we can't lose any more time. AVZ should just push hard along with ICSID proceedings with hearing dates so it's clear for DRC not to use any Chinese tactics to delay further. It's then in DRC's court to decide whether to issue the mining decree prior to the hearing date or not. If they do issue, it's not too late to cancel the hearing at the 12 hour.

 

[Dom1974]

Notice how Tommy Turd has not tweeted or released an article on last night’s legal update? Normally salivates on that news. Wonder why the silence of all of a sudden? Probably because it means that his future pay packets will cease and no longer worth his time.

 

[ozmacca]

Notice how Tommy Turd has not tweeted or released an article on last night’s legal update? Normally salivates on that news. Wonder why the silence of all of a sudden? Probably because it means that his future pay packets will cease and no longer worth his time.

I know there are bigger legal issues at play / that are the priority, but, jeeeeeze I can't wait to see his time come....

 

[Uglybob]

Once the big players are sorted, there will be plenty of time for the rest.

 

[MoneyBags1348]

It’s not Zijin’s pathetic attempts to ingratiate themselves that’s worth reading in the link…. It’s the responses

 

[Remark]

It’s not Zijin’s pathetic attempts to ingratiate themselves that’s worth reading in the link…. It’s the responses

Read & retweet/repost the comments people

 

[Hudnut]

Cong not showing up to ICC would be a good win for us, but part of me hopes they show up so the IGF report is displayed in all its glory in a courtroom.

 

[BEISHA]

Cong never took the cash. But he recieved it. Which is legally good enough.

The Dathomir cases are the most open and shut contract law examples I have ever seen. It is extraordinary that arbitration takes so long for something like this. The ICC is a joke regarding timetables and the ability of claimants to delay proceedings like Zijin have been doing.

For Cong to have received cash, he must of signed documents and possibly counter signed.

Signed documents are legally binding regardless of what the said party does with the cash, unless of course you can prove that signatures were forged.........aka Graeme Johnston, with the accusation apparently taken to the DRC courts and purportedly Graeme was found guilty and sentenced to 5 years jail plus a significant fine........

Yet, i spoke to Graeme Johnston at the last AGM....

The bullshit detector is insane in the DRC !

 

[Azzler]

Once the big players are sorted, there will be plenty of time for the rest.

Haven't heard these guys in years!
Was a big fan of Meethook Seed which had some members of Napalm Death.
Thanks for the feels and flashback!

 

[Mr Inappropriate]

For Cong to have received cash, he must of signed documents and possibly counter signed.

Signed documents are legally binding regardless of what the said party does with the cash, unless of course you can prove that signatures were forged.........aka Graeme Johnston, with the accusation apparently taken to the DRC courts and purportedly Graeme was found guilty and sentenced to 5 years jail plus a significant fine........

Yet, i spoke to Graeme Johnston at the last AGM....

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The bullshit detector is insane in the DRC !

Or look at it the other way - why the fuck would AVZ have made a multi-million dollar payment to known pond-scum without iron-clad legals in place? Answer: They wouldn’t.

 

[Carlos Danger]

For Cong to have received cash, he must of signed documents and possibly counter signed.

Signed documents are legally binding regardless of what the said party does with the cash, unless of course you can prove that signatures were forged.........aka Graeme Johnston, with the accusation apparently taken to the DRC courts and purportedly Graeme was found guilty and sentenced to 5 years jail plus a significant fine........

Yet, i spoke to Graeme Johnston at the last AGM....

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The bullshit detector is insane in the DRC !

The money was wired to Cong and then he wired it back. No documents needed. SPA's usually contain payment instructions and that was almost certainly followed exactly by AVZ's lawyers.

Pretty sure Graeme Johnston was convicted for allegedly illegally registering the 15% into AVZ's name upon completion of the payment for both SPA's. But that makes no legal sense as you can't just rip up contracts because the value of the asset went up. If the lithium price had of crashed as all the experts were predicting at the time Cong would have gladly taken the money and run. As frequent visitor to Epstein island Prince Andrew once said about contracts 'you have to take the rough with the smooth'.

 

[MoneyBags1348]

Read & retweet/repost the comments people

Dave Evans
@DaveEva12049801

China’s Zijin mine polluting Serbian village

asiafinancial.com
China’s Zijin Mining Polluting Serbian Village, Says Group


In Kolwezi in the Lualaba province where more than 39,000 people live. Hundreds of residents have received orders to leave their homes without being consulted after the plans to expand the ZIJIN mine. Many houses have already been destroyed

kongopress.com
Rapport d'Amnesty International sur les minerais des batteries et les droits humains bafoués en RDC...


Chinese ZIJIN MINING mocks Félix Tshisekedi's mining policy: COMMUS, a subsidiary of Zijin Mining, accused of serious human rights violations in Kolwezi

econewsrdc.com
Le Chinois ZIJIN MINING se moque de la politique minière de Félix Tshisekedi : COMMUS, une...


Lithium Manono: How is ZIJIN with the illegal 15% (IGF) part of DATHCOM without any court decision?

kongopress.com
Lithium Manono : Comment ZIJIN avec les 15% illégaux (IGF) fait-elle partie de DATHCOM sans aucune...


In less than a year, the company Zijin was convicted four times for the same commercial offence, each time fined below the legal minimum https://reri.org.rs/en/in-less-than-a-year-the-company-zijin-was-convicted-four-times-for-the-same-commercial-offence-each-time-fined-below-the-legal-minimum/#:~:text=News%20%2F%20Zijin%20Copper-,In%20less%20than%20a%20year%2C%20the%20company%20Zijin%20was%20convicted,the%20legal%20minimum%20each%20time.

reri.org.rs
In less than a year, the company Zijin was convicted four times for the same commercial offence,...


Zijin’s Negligence: How the Demolition of the Smelter Cost a Worker His Life 20 Mar 2023 Jovana Tomić, Dina Đorđević https://cins.rs/en/zijin-s-negligence-how-the-demolition-of-the-smelter-cost-a-worker-his-life/

 

[Winenut]

Dave Evans
@DaveEva12049801

China’s Zijin mine polluting Serbian village

asiafinancial.com
China’s Zijin Mining Polluting Serbian Village, Says Group


In Kolwezi in the Lualaba province where more than 39,000 people live. Hundreds of residents have received orders to leave their homes without being consulted after the plans to expand the ZIJIN mine. Many houses have already been destroyed

kongopress.com
Rapport d'Amnesty International sur les minerais des batteries et les droits humains bafoués en RDC...


Chinese ZIJIN MINING mocks Félix Tshisekedi's mining policy: COMMUS, a subsidiary of Zijin Mining, accused of serious human rights violations in Kolwezi

econewsrdc.com
Le Chinois ZIJIN MINING se moque de la politique minière de Félix Tshisekedi : COMMUS, une...


Lithium Manono: How is ZIJIN with the illegal 15% (IGF) part of DATHCOM without any court decision?

kongopress.com
Lithium Manono : Comment ZIJIN avec les 15% illégaux (IGF) fait-elle partie de DATHCOM sans aucune...


In less than a year, the company Zijin was convicted four times for the same commercial offence, each time fined below the legal minimum https://reri.org.rs/en/in-less-than-a-year-the-company-zijin-was-convicted-four-times-for-the-same-commercial-offence-each-time-fined-below-the-legal-minimum/#:~:text=News%20%2F%20Zijin%20Copper-,In%20less%20than%20a%20year%2C%20the%20company%20Zijin%20was%20convicted,the%20legal%20minimum%20each%20time.

reri.org.rs
In less than a year, the company Zijin was convicted four times for the same commercial offence,...


Zijin’s Negligence: How the Demolition of the Smelter Cost a Worker His Life 20 Mar 2023 Jovana Tomić, Dina Đorđević https://cins.rs/en/zijin-s-negligence-how-the-demolition-of-the-smelter-cost-a-worker-his-life/

I got on the bird "X" and checked that article on @Remark 's recommendation

Top effort and responses from Dave IMO

#FuckZijin

 

[tonster66]

Or look at it the other way - why the fuck would AVZ have made a multi-million dollar payment to known pond-scum without iron-clad legals in place? Answer: They wouldn’t.

Johnson said that AVZ paid the money and that he received a receipt from the bank stating that it was paid in to the required account. Apparently cong then returned the money to AVZ. Johnson then stated that AVZ placed the money in another account as the money did not belong to AVZ

 

[bloke383]

https://www.ajot.com/news/europe-lines-up-african-minerals-pacts-to-ease-reliance-on-china

"The European Union is finalizing partnerships with the Democratic Republic of Congo and Zambia to boost local industries as the bloc competes with China to secure critical materials for the green and digital sectors.


A planned memorandum of understanding will signal to both governments and the private sector the EU’s backing for developing local value chains given that a big part of the processing of critical materials, including lithium or cobalt, currently takes place in China, people familiar with the matter said."

 

[wombat74]

https://www.ajot.com/news/europe-lines-up-african-minerals-pacts-to-ease-reliance-on-china

"The European Union is finalizing partnerships with the Democratic Republic of Congo and Zambia to boost local industries as the bloc competes with China to secure critical materials for the green and digital sectors.


A planned memorandum of understanding will signal to both governments and the private sector the EU’s backing for developing local value chains given that a big part of the processing of critical materials, including lithium or cobalt, currently takes place in China, people familiar with the matter said."

Cool . As long as they don't need Lithium for their batteries they will do just fine .

 

[Carlos Danger]

Cool . As long as they don't need Lithium for their batteries they will do just fine .

 

[MoneyBags1348]

Dave Evans
@DaveEva12049801

China’s Zijin mine polluting Serbian village

asiafinancial.com
China’s Zijin Mining Polluting Serbian Village, Says Group


In Kolwezi in the Lualaba province where more than 39,000 people live. Hundreds of residents have received orders to leave their homes without being consulted after the plans to expand the ZIJIN mine. Many houses have already been destroyed

kongopress.com
Rapport d'Amnesty International sur les minerais des batteries et les droits humains bafoués en RDC...


Chinese ZIJIN MINING mocks Félix Tshisekedi's mining policy: COMMUS, a subsidiary of Zijin Mining, accused of serious human rights violations in Kolwezi

econewsrdc.com
Le Chinois ZIJIN MINING se moque de la politique minière de Félix Tshisekedi : COMMUS, une...


Lithium Manono: How is ZIJIN with the illegal 15% (IGF) part of DATHCOM without any court decision?

kongopress.com
Lithium Manono : Comment ZIJIN avec les 15% illégaux (IGF) fait-elle partie de DATHCOM sans aucune...


In less than a year, the company Zijin was convicted four times for the same commercial offence, each time fined below the legal minimum https://reri.org.rs/en/in-less-than-a-year-the-company-zijin-was-convicted-four-times-for-the-same-commercial-offence-each-time-fined-below-the-legal-minimum/#:~:text=News%20%2F%20Zijin%20Copper-,In%20less%20than%20a%20year%2C%20the%20company%20Zijin%20was%20convicted,the%20legal%20minimum%20each%20time.

reri.org.rs
In less than a year, the company Zijin was convicted four times for the same commercial offence,...


Zijin’s Negligence: How the Demolition of the Smelter Cost a Worker His Life 20 Mar 2023 Jovana Tomić, Dina Đorđević https://cins.rs/en/zijin-s-negligence-how-the-demolition-of-the-smelter-cost-a-worker-his-life/

Here’s an easy way to post Zijin corruption on Twitter. Should fit Twitter’s format. Zijin are flat out trying to make themselves look good on Twitter.

You just have to copy the titles then click on the links and add them.

Remember all the paid corrupt lying articles they put out last year in the DRC to undermine us. Time for payback….


Zijin polluting Serbian village http://asiafinancial.com/chinas-zijin-mining-polluting-serbian-village-says-group
Zijin human rights violations in Kolwezi https://econewsrdc.com/le-chinois-zijin-mining-se-moque-de-la-politique-miniere-de-felix-tshisekedi-commus-une-filiale-de-zijin-mining-accusee-de-violations-graves-des-droits-humains-a-kolwezi/
Worker loses life at Zijin mine
https://cins.rs/en/zijin-s-negligence-how-the-demolition-of-the-smelter-cost-a-worker-his-life/
Zijin convicted 4 times in a year https://reri.org.rs/en/in-less-than-a-year-the-company-zijin-was-convicted-four-times-for-the-same-commercial-offence-each-time-fined-below-the-legal-minimum/#:~:text=News%20%2F%20Zijin%20Copper-,In%20less%20than%20a%20year%2C%20the%20company%20Zijin%20was%20convicted,the%20legal%20minimum%20each%20time
Illegal Zijin sale
kongopress.com
Lithium Manono : Comment ZIJIN avec les 15% illégaux (IGF) fait-elle partie de DATHCOM sans aucune...