AVZ Discussion 2022

[Winenut]

AVZ would be batshit crazy to stop ICC/ICSID until money is in the bank. We’ve been burnt by promises too many times

Absolutely 100%

I have it on good authority that the dropping of ICC/ICSID cases has been designated as the very "last" item to be executed in the series of events to complete the Manono transaction

And this specifically only occurs "after" proceed funds have been distributed to all AVZ shareholders and the booking of my holiday to Abruzzo, Umbria and Puglia is completed and flights and accommodation confirmed......

 

[PutUsernameHere]

I know there was no point where any logical thought occurred. My question was rhetorical.

Have I read much else you ask? Well, I have read enough to know that the Avenger's post that you originally quoted referred to $29.75b gross revenue for the LIFE OF THE MINE. Therefore there would be no intelligent reason to multiply that figure by 29.

I am on the light side. I am excited by what figure we might ACTUALLY get, not made up figures with no bearing in reality or logic.

I must say it is ironic that you question my constructive input, the best things I could post and what I have read, given your own recent posts.

As it happens I read a fair bit. I read a lot more than I write. I ask key questions to those who may have valuable information (this post is not one of those times ).

Maybe in these discussions I have come across more information than you about the upcoming offer.

I can see the error of my ways, and I accept I have zero logical thoughts! Please do enlighten us all J. What have you come across in said upcoming offer? What have those more enlightened told you? Do we all need to brace?

Or will you just make some vague, conceited comment about how you're better than us and so you couldn't possibly share what you know?

 

[RHyNO]

Have to say it and really interested to get some insight outside of the screaming troll responses that usually accompany any significant questions that are hurty. If trump is tearing agreements with EU and withdrawing from agreements. What’s stopping him and crew from just taking this at DRCs opinion that these courts don’t exist and neither does our “good legal title” what would make them honour our first right of refusal?

 

[ptlas]

Probably anyone with a brain

When the revenue figure of $840b (or $300b for that matter) in your post was SO far away from anyone else's expectation, was there ever a point in the thought process where you went...hang on...there might be a fundamental error in the methodology/calculation here?

And where have everyone else's expectations come from?
From anonymous interweb posters, who because they have been posting for a few years, usually inaccurate guesses, have some sort of kudos or common belief that they're on the inside track.
The other attempts to manipulate the price down comes from those who want their purchase price lower.
So yes, 'SO far away from anyone else's expectation' because she's using her brain and not being a sheep.

 

[M.Bison]

Have to say it and really interested to get some insight outside of the screaming troll responses that usually accompany any significant questions that are hurty. If trump is tearing agreements with EU and withdrawing from agreements. What’s stopping him and crew from just taking this at DRCs opinion that these courts don’t exist and neither does our “good legal title” what would make them honour our first right of refusal?

Unless trump wants to dig up Manono with his own tools, he's going to need a legitimate mining firm involved. Those firms are beholden to ICSID decisions.

 

[Xerof]

I think US12 is too low Hopefully that Rio guy is reading my opinion and will be heavily influenced by it

 

[Skar]

Absolutely 100%

I have it on good authority that the dropping of ICC/ICSID cases has been designated as the very "last" item to be executed in the series of events to complete the Manono transaction

And this specifically only occurs "after" proceed funds have been distributed to all AVZ shareholders and the booking of my holiday to Abruzzo, Umbria and Puglia is completed and flights and accommodation confirmed......

Once money hits our Australian bank account only then should we drop cases.... as even when money is in escrow on a completed transaction, it still seems problematic for us.

 

[LEFOOL]

Absolutely 100%

I have it on good authority that the dropping of ICC/ICSID cases has been designated as the very "last" item to be executed in the series of events to complete the Manono transaction

And this specifically only occurs "after" proceed funds have been distributed to all AVZ shareholders and the booking of my holiday to Abruzzo, Umbria and Puglia is completed and flights and accommodation confirmed......

You mean your holiday to Montepulciano, Sangiovese and Primitivo

 

[webclever]

Here is the latest update on the ICSID proceedings.

April 7, 2025

The Claimants files observations on the request to address the objections to jurisdiction as a preliminary question.

 

[Winenut]

Once money hits our Australian bank account only then should we drop cases.... as even when money is in escrow on a completed transaction, it still seems problematic for us.

I think that's sort of what I was saying.... "And this specifically only occurs "after" proceed funds have been distributed to all AVZ shareholders"

But I was only being serious.... then half joking...... so I get no-one really pays too much attention to what I say

 

[Goldenboy]

Once money hits our Australian bank account only then should we drop cases.... as even when money is in escrow on a completed transaction, it still seems problematic for us.

We all know what happens to money in escrow … even remotely connected to the DRC

 

[RHyNO]

Unless trump wants to dig up Manono with his own tools, he's going to need a legitimate mining firm involved. Those firms are beholden to ICSID decisions.

Thanks mate sincerely!

 

[Frank]

 

[Hodlandwin69]

Wha

Here is the latest update on the ICSID proceedings.

April 7, 2025

The Claimants files observations on the request to address the objections to jurisdiction as a preliminary question.

What are observations?

 

[Spikerama]

Wha

What are observations?

It's probably just responses related to the procedural matters. Maybe DRC requested certain things not transpire or arguing some crap delay tactics and AVZ has the opportunity to respond to these requests.

Sounds like DRC has said there is no jurisdiction to be hearing the case in international court. I think remember that from last time.

 

[Jongo]

Wha

What are observations?

I asked Copilot what that means in simple terms. The answer is shown below, and noting that my understanding is that AVZ is the claimant.

"In simple terms, the Claimants (the people who started the case) have sent their comments or arguments about whether the court or tribunal should deal with jurisdictional issues before looking at the rest of the case.

Jurisdiction is about whether the court has the power to hear the case at all. Sometimes, one side argues that the court doesn’t have authority, and they want that issue settled first. The Claimants are responding to that request—they're saying whether they agree or disagree and explaining their reasons."

 

[Jongo]

Copilot also said ...

"This phrase refers to a legal process in arbitration or litigation. Essentially, the Claimants (the party bringing the case) have submitted their observations—which could be arguments, evidence, or legal reasoning—regarding a request to handle jurisdictional objections separately from the main case."

 

[pow4ade]

LOL What a total crock of shit.

Also no one is putting that much effort into creating a website for a lowball valuation unless they're being paid to do it.
So our new low-ball anchor price has moved from 0.60c (from the random journalist) to $1.35 from some random git who i speculate is being paid to try and set low expectation. Keep doubling it a few more times and we'll start getting somewhere.

Agreed.

The emergence of late of seemingly authentic low-ball valuations feels more than coincidential but rather a coordinated softening-up exercise.

Call me cynical.

 

[Frank]

https://x.com/Outcast_North/status/1909247359323676787

 

[Frank]

https://x.com/Bankable_RDC/status/1909302833444167910

https://x.com/FranckFwamba/status/1909337799750283380

AVZ vs DRC @ ICSID - Final Countdown

Countdown to the ICSID tribunal of AVZ vs DRC (Congolese).

avz-icsid-final-countdown.netlify.app