AVZ Discussion 2022

[Jongo]

Presumably the USA has predicted the DRC v M23 peace discussions not achieving results and hence, the USA has a Plan B.

The DRC sweeteners are well know, and the possible M23 sweeteners from Copliot are listed below. However, I suspect that Plan B will also need appeal to their greed and offer sweeteners direct to the individuals in power because they are too impatient and want the perks immediately. But how can the USA do this without bribes?

Here’s what’s likely on the table:

Indirect Incentives & Strategic Leverage

Category	Potential Sweeteners	Purpose
Security Guarantees	U.S. backing for buffer zones and third-party monitoring in eastern DRC	To reassure M23 that territorial withdrawals won’t lead to reprisals
Political Reintegration Pathways	Support for transitional justice mechanisms and limited amnesty	To allow M23 leaders to re-enter civilian life without blanket impunity
Economic Development	U.S. investment in infrastructure and mining corridors (e.g. Lobito)	To create jobs and reduce M23’s reliance on illicit mining revenues
Regional Diplomacy	Pressure on Rwanda to scale back support and endorse M23’s exit strategy	To isolate hardliners and encourage compliance from M23 factions

What’s Been Said Publicly

• The U.S. State Department has acknowledged that preliminary discussions with Congolese and Rwandan officials include “security arrangements” that would benefit all parties, including M23 indirectly.
• M23 reportedly earns ~$300,000/month from mining in eastern Congo, so any deal that secures economic alternatives could be seen as a de facto sweetener.

 

[Jongo]

Finally I asked Copilot, will the USA need to provide sweeteners direct to the DRC and M23 individuals in power because they are too impatient and want the perks immediately. But how can the USA do this without bribes?

The answer ...
That’s a sharp question, and it gets right to the heart of the diplomatic tightrope the U.S. is walking in the DRC.

Why Direct Sweeteners Are Tempting but Tricky
Yes, there’s growing pressure from individuals in power—both in the DRC government and within M23 leadership—to see immediate personal or political benefits from the peace and minerals-for-security framework. But the U.S. must tread carefully to avoid anything resembling bribery, which would violate both domestic laws (like the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act) and international norms.

How the U.S. Can Offer Incentives Without Bribes
Here’s how Washington can deliver targeted benefits that feel immediate but remain above board:
1. Development Grants with Local Control

• Fund community infrastructure (roads, clinics, schools) in regions controlled by M23 or politically sensitive zones in the DRC.
• Let local leaders oversee implementation, giving them prestige and influence without direct cash transfers.

2. Security Sector Reform

• Offer training, equipment, and advisory roles to Congolese military and police units—especially those loyal to key figures.
• This boosts their status and operational capacity without handing out personal rewards.

3. Political Legitimacy Pathways

• Support transitional justice frameworks that allow M23 leaders to reintegrate into civilian or military roles.
• This gives them a future stake in governance, which can feel like a “perk” without being a payoff.

4. Fast-Tracked Economic Zones

• Create special mining or trade zones with expedited licensing and tax incentives.
• Key officials can steer investment and employment locally, gaining influence and patronage legally.

5. Visibility & Prestige

• Invite DRC and M23-aligned figures to international summits, study tours, or joint press events.
• These symbolic gestures carry real weight in local politics and can satisfy short-term ego or status needs.

Guardrails Against Corruption
To stay clean, the U.S. typically:

• Channels funds through multilateral institutions (World Bank, African Union)
• Uses performance-based disbursements
• Requires auditable outcomes and third-party monitoring

 

[wombat74]

I suspect that the DRC and M23 fuckwits are too stubborn and stupid to sort out an agreement between themselves and hence, Boulos and others will need to meet with them. Perhaps it is so bad that DRC and M23 cannot be in the same room, which would require all negoatiations to be via a 3rd party back and forth.

From Colpilot ...

The 2–5 July 2025 peace talks between the Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC) and the M23 rebel group in Doha did not result in a formal agreement, and both delegations left Qatar without setting a date to resume negotiations.

Here’s what unfolded:
What Happened During the Talks

• Delegations from both sides arrived in Doha as planned, but the meetings quickly stalled over technical issues and confidence-building measures.
• Key points of contention included:
  • The release of prisoners held by the DRC with alleged ties to M23 and Rwanda.
  • Disagreements over territorial withdrawal and political reintegration of M23 leaders.
• Sources reported that the talks bogged down early, and no significant progress was made toward a ceasefire or final peace deal.

Outcome

• Both delegations departed Doha by 5 July.
• No joint statement or follow-up schedule was issued.
• Mediators from Qatar and the African Union are reportedly working behind the scenes to reconvene talks later in July, but nothing is confirmed.

Let'S face it , Peace is a pipe dream . It's the stuff of fairytales and moonbeams . Security for Minerals is our main game . Why should it be that the West can only access minerals if they can broker a peace deal that is nigh impossible , yet the Chinese are developing and mining at break neck speed without a care in the world . Manono is over 1000kms away from the fighting . These f--kers will drag this peace BS out until pigs learn how to fly . IMO

 

[LEFOOL]

Hehehe @Xerof

 

[Xerof]

Yeah, I thought it was quite mild

Anyway, I posted it twice, second one sans cretin and c..t

 

[Retrobyte]

I love that for some reason moderated posts on HC are still visible to me, even though they've been removed. Here's a screenshot from my account ....

 

[cruiser51]

I love that for some reason moderated posts on HC are still visible to me, even though they've been removed. Here's a screenshot from my account ....

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It must have been the night shift moderator, operating under the cover of darkness when our posts were moderated, only nightshift poster active at the time of moderation was no other than readyaimfire, the man with a huge mental problem.
The toilet is probably his 3rd grade student.

So funny he went for it again.

 

[Dave Evans]

Finally I asked Copilot, will the USA need to provide sweeteners direct to the DRC and M23 individuals in power because they are too impatient and want the perks immediately. But how can the USA do this without bribes?

The answer ...
That’s a sharp question, and it gets right to the heart of the diplomatic tightrope the U.S. is walking in the DRC.

Why Direct Sweeteners Are Tempting but Tricky
Yes, there’s growing pressure from individuals in power—both in the DRC government and within M23 leadership—to see immediate personal or political benefits from the peace and minerals-for-security framework. But the U.S. must tread carefully to avoid anything resembling bribery, which would violate both domestic laws (like the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act) and international norms.

How the U.S. Can Offer Incentives Without Bribes
Here’s how Washington can deliver targeted benefits that feel immediate but remain above board:
1. Development Grants with Local Control

• Fund community infrastructure (roads, clinics, schools) in regions controlled by M23 or politically sensitive zones in the DRC.
• Let local leaders oversee implementation, giving them prestige and influence without direct cash transfers.

2. Security Sector Reform

• Offer training, equipment, and advisory roles to Congolese military and police units—especially those loyal to key figures.
• This boosts their status and operational capacity without handing out personal rewards.

3. Political Legitimacy Pathways

• Support transitional justice frameworks that allow M23 leaders to reintegrate into civilian or military roles.
• This gives them a future stake in governance, which can feel like a “perk” without being a payoff.

4. Fast-Tracked Economic Zones

• Create special mining or trade zones with expedited licensing and tax incentives.
• Key officials can steer investment and employment locally, gaining influence and patronage legally.

5. Visibility & Prestige

• Invite DRC and M23-aligned figures to international summits, study tours, or joint press events.
• These symbolic gestures carry real weight in local politics and can satisfy short-term ego or status needs.

Guardrails Against Corruption
To stay clean, the U.S. typically:

• Channels funds through multilateral institutions (World Bank, African Union)
• Uses performance-based disbursements
• Requires auditable outcomes and third-party monitoring

Trump paused the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act earlier this year

 

[Largus Averta]

Everyone acting like the cia hasn't bribed anyone ever... doo de doo de doooooo.

 

[Dave Evans]

Trump paused the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act earlier this year

I remember at the time not being shocked that Trump paused the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act to further American Economic and National Security interests

Pausing Foreign Corrupt Practices Act Enforcement to Further American Economic and National Security

By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, it is hereby ordered: Section 1. Purpose

www.whitehouse.gov

He is also allowing for the Defence Department budget to include critical minerals.

Unfortunately Tshisekedi continues to lie and act corruptly, so if anyone here can get me a meeting with Trump, I’ll put it to him that he should let Rwanda topple Tshisekedi and he, we, KoBold and RIO Tinto can do a deal with Kagami instead.

It might even be the best way to get CDL back

 

[wombat74]

I remember at the time not being shocked that Trump paused the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act to further American Economic and National Security interests

Pausing Foreign Corrupt Practices Act Enforcement to Further American Economic and National Security

By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, it is hereby ordered: Section 1. Purpose

www.whitehouse.gov

He is also allowing for the Defence Department budget to include critical minerals.

Unfortunately Tshisekedi continues to lie and act corruptly, so if anyone here can get me a meeting with Trump, I’ll put it to him that he should let Rwanda topple Tshisekedi and he, we, KoBold and RIO Tinto can do a deal with Kagami instead of the fat corrupt fuckwit.

It might even be the best way to get CDL back

Trump might not have figured out yet he's being f--ked around . When the penny drops it might get interesting.

 

[Strongman]

I remember at the time not being shocked that Trump paused the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act to further American Economic and National Security interests

Pausing Foreign Corrupt Practices Act Enforcement to Further American Economic and National Security

By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, it is hereby ordered: Section 1. Purpose

www.whitehouse.gov

He is also allowing for the Defence Department budget to include critical minerals.

Unfortunately Tshisekedi continues to lie and act corruptly, so if anyone here can get me a meeting with Trump, I’ll put it to him that he should let Rwanda topple Tshisekedi and he, we, KoBold and RIO Tinto can do a deal with Kagami instead of the fat corrupt fuckwit.

It might even be the best way to get CDL back

Interesting timing there i think. Suspension of the Corrupt Practices Act on 10 Feb and DRC approached US re minerals for security deal on 21 Feb. Call me a cynic but I reckon Felixs eyes musta lit up as he sniffed out the potential of the biggest brown paper bag of all time

 

[Mouthpiecenomnom]

Trump might not have figured out yet he's being f--ked around . When the penny drops it might get interesting.

After watching him speak publicly about it I don't see any scenario where he forgets about the MFS deal. The USA will only have a very limited amount of patience. Imo

 

[SilentOne]

Well Trump could piss in a bucket and he would have done more for AVZ share holders than what Albanese has done in three years.

Though as a foot note, the only reason why this is the case is because America's interest just so happen to be aligned with AVZs'.

 

[LOCKY82]

I don't think the u.s give a single fuck about the drc or rwanda, this is all just business for them, but peace deal has a nice ring to it.

 

[RHyNO]

Well Trump could piss in a bucket and he would have done more for AVZ share holders than what Albanese has done in three years.

Though as a foot note, the only reason why this is the case is because America's interest just so happen to be aligned with AVZs'.

With you in this, very disappointed to watch Australian government let this resource slip through their fingers. The amount of thorium and uranium we have we could have limitless power and with AVZ limitless storage. But we are so busy selling off our resources for literally nothing to bother getting any new ones. I hope the Donald does more than piss in a bucket….unless he makes Felix drink it.

 

[wombat74]

The Big Beautiful signature for Manono.

 

[Samus]

The Big Beautiful signature for Manono.
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[Retrobyte]

I don't think the u.s give a single fuck about the drc or rwanda, this is all just business for them

See Ukraine. They have the signatures on the minerals deal but it is still a shitshow

 

[CashKing]

I don't think the u.s give a single fuck about the drc or rwanda, this is all just business for them, but peace deal has a nice ring to it.

Fuck knows mate but I just wanna get paid.

Im usually very optimistic but ffs

I can imagine Nigel would be slapping he’s head a few times over the last few months.

Why can’t it be easy ?

GLTAH