... and didn't spill a drop!
... and didn't spill a drop!
There seems to be a hell of alot of thrusting going on in this chat room this morning, lucky people!!!!!!
Just on Apple.I like this quote "Sony is working on a new sensor using semiconductor technologies, letting more light in and reducing the possibility of under or overexposure"
Apple confirms it uses Sony camera sensors for its iPhones
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Everyone in the smartphone industry knows that Apple keeps a tight lid on its suppliers and a lot the more technical specs of its products, so Tim Cook's visit to Sony's facility for CMOS sensors is kind of a big deal.
Analysts and fans have been suspecting this for a while now and Tim Cook finally admitted that Apple has been working with Sony for over a decade. Apple's CEO posted a photo of Sony's CEO Kenichiro Yoshida showing him around a Sony facility.
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The Cupertino-based company isn't very vocal about its battery, chip and display suppliers either, but supply chain analysts have revealed g that Corning is making Apple's front and back glass sheets while Samsung and LG are supplying the majority of OLED panels. Chips, of course, come from TSMC's fabs.
However, the Sony-Apple deal for camera hardware was still largely unconfirmed and by the looks of it, it won't end anytime soon. According to some reports, Sony is working on a new sensor using semiconductor technologies, letting more light in and reducing the possibility of under or overexposure. Of course, that sensor will end up in future generation iPhones.
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Apple confirms it uses Sony camera sensors for its iPhones
Hardly a shocking development, but it's good to have an official confirmation. Everyone in the smartphone industry knows that Apple keeps a tight lid on...www.gsmarena.com
Learning.
Great sleuthing Fmf,Just on Apple.
Post from early Nov re the Sony connection and the linked article is an interesting read.
One excerpt below lends weight to some of the posts about how Apple deal with partners and how it would be difficult I guess for us to dig for confirmations.
But we will get there...so says the 1000 eyes
"Apple has hundreds of major suppliers around the world, and in order to maintain stability, every year, a group of partners is purposefully eliminated, even if these manufacturers have made no mistakes. In the cooperation with Apple, the two sides are not a “win-win” equal relationship, but closer to a master-servant relationship model. Apple has the absolute right to speak, and even top partners Samsung and Foxconn cannot bargain with Apple."
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It s Japanese Thanks @Andi85 So my view is that if I was required to make an objective and logical prediction as to which mobile phone AKIDA will find its way into via MegaChips then Sony Xperia is the prime candidate. Prophesee two lense sensor may make an appearance at the same time. My...thestockexchange.com.au
Appears Apples camera CMOS sensor is supplied by Sony.
Now....if we can succeed with Prophesee onto Sony sensors then....who knows hey.
iPhone 14 Pro Max Bom cost exposure: the proportion of parts in the United States has increased significantly, and China has declined – yqqlm
October 8, 2022
Recently, Nikkei Shimbun cooperated with Tokyo research firm Fomalhaut Techno Solutions to dismantle the three models of the iPhone 14 series launched by Apple in September. Models on sale rose by about 20%, setting a new record. In terms of countries/regions, the proportion of US-made parts has made a major leap forward, surpassing the Korean factory, and the proportion of mainland China and Taiwan has shrunk.
The performance of the camera components has also improved, with the main camera CMOS sensor made by Sony Group, the largest of the three rear cameras, 30% larger in size and about 50% more expensive to $15.
Sony’s sensor has a unique layered structure that ensures the area of each pixel through a smaller sensor size, ensures brightness and suppresses noise, you can take high-quality photos.
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iPhone 14 Pro Max Bom cost exposure: the proportion of parts in the United States has increased significantly, and China has declined – yqqlm - Breaking Latest News
iPhone 14 Pro Max的零件成本较去年开卖的iPhone 13 Pro Max暴增逾60美元至501美元。零件成本总额、增加幅度皆为2018年以来最高,制造成本的上涨,意味着苹果的利润率可能下滑。另根据最新公布的苹果2021会计年度供应名单,新增大陆供应商七家,剔除六家;新增台湾厂商三家,剔除7家……www.breakinglatest.news
Sean stated “The share price will do what the share price does” He also stated watch the financials, I read comments weekly regarding this I’ve got a lot of skin in this, I believe in the tech and I just continue to read and research and most importantly continue to work, I’ll wait on the financials 4 times a yr!! I believe we’ve found the 1….Lots of small trades going on, bots ? Is someone still keeping the price down, I wonder for what reason
I think you think spot on.I was pondering our CEO's remarks that, at the 2023 AGM he is happy to be judged on results rather than activity. This led me to an interesting thought......
The AGM is the shareholders meeting where the results from the previous year are presented, along with any new news that's able to be published. At the 2023 AGM that would be the finances for the year ending December 2022. If Sean is as confident as he sounds about the 2023 AGM then, ergo, he must be confident that the 2022 financial result will show dramatic improvement over the previous year. Which means that a ton of commercial stuff must be happening while I write this..................
Shorts and WANCA's beware!!!
My opinion only but based on some known facts and some sound logic (I think).
It could be an effort to close short positions at the lowest price possible.Lots of small trades going on, bots ? Is someone still keeping the price down, I wonder for what reason
But just a note of caution - in the last 4C Sean did warn of headwinds - chip shortage, recession, trade wars, shooting war - that said, he did say they would be focusing on closing deals despite reduced customer budgets.I was pondering our CEO's remarks that, at the 2023 AGM he is happy to be judged on results rather than activity. This led me to an interesting thought......
The AGM is the shareholders meeting where the results from the previous year are presented, along with any new news that's able to be published. At the 2023 AGM that would be the finances for the year ending December 2022. If Sean is as confident as he sounds about the 2023 AGM then, ergo, he must be confident that the 2022 financial result will show dramatic improvement over the previous year. Which means that a ton of commercial stuff must be happening while I write this..................
Shorts and WANCA's beware!!!
My opinion only but based on some known facts and some sound logic (I think).
That seems a very shallow way to look at things.Great sleuthing Fmf,
Each pixel has a light receptor (photodetector) and a couple of transistors (ADC). In the old layout, the transistors were in the same plane as the CMOS photodetector, so took up a lot of space so some of the incoming light was wasted. As the article mentions, Sony's layered arrangement means the top layer now only has photodetectors, and the transistors are now located on the layer under the photodiodes, meaning almost all the incident light now impinges on the photodetectors.
I posted this Sony patent application a few weeks ago:
WO2021117642A1 EBS/TOF/RGB CAMERA FOR SMART SURVEILLANCE AND INTRUDER DETECTION
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This one gives detail of the 3D stacking:
WO2022044553A1 SEMICONDUCTOR DEVICE AND METHOD FOR MANUFACTURING SEMICONDUCTOR DEVICE
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Provided is a semiconductor device in which a plurality of semiconductor chips 160, 140, 130) are stacked, the semiconductor device having enhanced functionality while reducing manufacturing cost. The semiconductor chips include a light-receiving chip (130), a redistribution wiring-side semiconductor chip (160), an intermediate semiconductor chip (140), a through-electrode (171), and redistribution wiring (141).
The light-receiving chip receives incoming light. A wiring layer is formed on a predetermined wiring surface of the redistribution wiring-side semiconductor chip. One of a pair of joint surfaces of the intermediate semiconductor chip is joined to the light-receiving chip, and the other is joined to the redistribution wiring-side semiconductor chip. The through-electrode extends through a semiconductor substrate of the intermediate semiconductor chip. The redistribution wiring is wired on a wiring surface and connects the through-electrode and the wiring layer.
Seems a long way for the CEO to travel to just look at a phone camera…..unless it’s something so unbelievable he had to see it himself!In the attached article below, these 2 sentences are quite interesting:
"Apple is not getting an exclusive on this technology so we could see it used on some Android handsets as well. However, what isn't clear is whether Apple is getting the first crack at these new sensors."
I would interpret the first sentence to mean that the sensors don't have Apple IP or Apple developed neural engine/processor - this then puts more weight on our Prophesee/Sony dot joining that AKIDA is present.
The second sentence could imply that other phone manufacturers may already be planning/starting to use these sensors too.
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Apple CEO Tim Cook visits super secret Sony image sensor facility in Japan
Tim Cook visited Sony's super secret image sensor facility in Japan a couple of weeks after a story broke about a new sensor that Apple might use next year.www.phonearena.com
"Apple is not getting an exclusive on this technology so we could see it used on some Android handsets as well. However, what isn't clear is whether Apple is getting the first crack at these new sensors."In the attached article below, these 2 sentences are quite interesting:
"Apple is not getting an exclusive on this technology so we could see it used on some Android handsets as well. However, what isn't clear is whether Apple is getting the first crack at these new sensors."
I would interpret the first sentence to mean that the sensors don't have Apple IP or Apple developed neural engine/processor - this then puts more weight on our Prophesee/Sony dot joining that AKIDA is present.
The second sentence could imply that other phone manufacturers may already be planning/starting to use these sensors too.
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Apple CEO Tim Cook visits super secret Sony image sensor facility in Japan
Tim Cook visited Sony's super secret image sensor facility in Japan a couple of weeks after a story broke about a new sensor that Apple might use next year.www.phonearena.com