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@chapman89 published this a month or more back.

Yeah, because "at this moment" there is no product incorporating prophesee + Akida

This agreement between qualcomm and prohesee doesn't bear fruit until mass production of chips at Sony next year.

They are technology demonstrators just for funsies?

No, "I'm looking forward to extend it to a more commercial one"

I don't think we see an IP agreement between BRN and prophesee until the the go button is pressed at the factory where mass production begins. In my opinion, the same can be said for all other elusive NDA's and EAPs. Akida is a "key differentiator" for future products after all, discretion is of the utmost importance in these cases.

Jury is still out, but we are certainly in the box seat.
 
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It would not be much of a stretch to assume that the camera by Prophesee could be used for more (as demonstrated by Prophesee themselves), and they have stated that "combining our Metavision solution with Akida-based IP, we are better able to deliver a complete high-performance and ultra-low power solution".

They are currently using Synsense for this purpose... so this statement (above) speaks volumes about what they think of them. One would assume that whenever any obligation with Synsense expires, the better option would have a front row seat for future adoption.
Also in this discussion no one has mention the following known FACTS:

1. At CES Brainchip & Prophesee we’re presenting together in the hotel suite paid for by Prophesee;

2. Prophesee said they had over 100 meetings with potential customers scheduled many protected by NDAs,

3. Sony and Qualcomm negotiations were clearly well advanced so I doubt they were counted amongst the 100 plus.

So lots of other customers ie; more than 100 for Brainchip AKIDA to be involved with Prophesee supplying optimised intelligent vision sensors.

My opinion only DYOR
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AKIDA BALLISTA
 
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Yeah, because "at this moment" there is no product incorporating prophesee + Akida

This agreement between qualcomm and prohesee doesn't bear fruit until mass production of chips at Sony next year.

They are technology demonstrators just for funsies?

No, "I'm looking forward to extend it to a more commercial one"

I don't think we see an IP agreement between BRN and prophesee until the the go button is pressed at the factory where mass production begins. In my opinion, the same can be said for all other elusive NDA's and EAPs. Akida is a "key differentiator" for future products after all, discretion is of the utmost importance in these cases.

Jury is still out, but we are certainly in the box seat.
I want this to happen as much as anyone, but I and others beat ourselves into an excited frenzy then over the Qualcomm presenter saying ‘coming to smartphones soon’ and using video that showed what I assumed was OUR motion blur fixing technology.

So the current smartphones have Synsense tech and not ours. But I reckon Luca would love it to be our tech, and surely will be in the next rendition of smartphone released with Qualcomm and Prophesee.
 
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Prophesee Announces Collaboration with Qualcomm to Optimize Neuromorphic Vision Technologies For the Next Generation of Smartphones, Unlocking a New Image Quality Paradigm for Photography and Video​


Companies agree on a multi-year strategic agreement to combine Prophesee’s Event-Based Metavision® Sensors and Software with Qualcomm Snapdragon SoC, with the goal of unlocking a new image quality paradigm for photography and video

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Highlights



  • The world is neither raster-based nor frame-based. Inspired by the human eye, Prophesee Event-Based sensors repair motion blur and other image quality artefacts caused by conventional sensors, especially in high dynamic scenes and low light conditions bringing Photography and Video closer to our true experiences.
  • Collaborating with Qualcomm Technologies, Inc., a leading provider of premium mobile technologies, to help accelerate mobile industry adoption of Prophesee’s solutions.
  • Companies join forces to optimize Prophesee’s neuromorphic Event-Based Metavision Sensors and software for use with the premium Snapdragon mobile platforms. Development kits expected to be available from Prophesee this year.
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PARIS, February 27, 2023 – Prophesee today announced a collaboration with Qualcomm Technologies, Inc. that will optimize Prophesee’s Event-based Metavision sensors for use with premium Snapdragon® mobile platforms to bring the speed, efficiency, and quality of neuromorphic-enabled vision to mobile devices.
The technical and business collaboration will provide mobile device developers a fast and efficient way to leverage the Prophesee sensor’s ability to dramatically improve camera performance, particularly in fast-moving dynamic scenes (e.g. sport scenes) and in low light, through its breakthrough event-based continuous and asynchronous pixel sensing approach. Prophesee is working on a development kit to support the integration of the Metavision sensor technology for use with devices that contain next generation Snapdragon platforms.

Video 1 – Sports scene: Preliminary deblurring results on high-speed scene, obtained combining Prophesee Metavision sensor and algorithms with Snapdragon platform.
“Prophesee is a clear leader in applying neuromorphic techniques to address limitations of traditional cameras and improve the overall user experience. We believe this is game-changing technology for taking mobile photography to the next level and our collaboration on both the technical and business levels will help drive adoption by leading OEMs,” said Judd Heape, VP, Product Management at Qualcomm Technologies, Inc. “Their pioneering achievements with event cameras’ shutter-free capability offer a significant enhancement to the quality of photography available in the next generation of mobile devices powered by Snapdragon, even in the most demanding environments, unlocking a range of new possibilities for Snapdragon customers.”

Video 2 – Judd Heape, VP, Product Management at Qualcomm Technologies, introducing Prophesee Metavision technologies during Snapdragon Summit.
“We are excited to be working with the provider of one of the world’s most popular mobile platforms to incorporate event-based vision into the Snapdragon ecosystem. Through this collaboration, product developers will be able to dramatically enhance the user experience with cameras that deliver image quality and operational excellence not available using just traditional frame-based methods,” said Luca Verre, CEO and co-founder of Prophesee.
How it works
Prophesee’s breakthrough sensors add a new sensing dimension to mobile photography. They change the paradigm in traditional image capture by focusing only on changes in a scene, pixel by pixel, continuously, at extreme speeds.

Each pixel in the Metavision sensor embeds a logic core, enabling it to act as a neuron.
They each activate themselves intelligently and asynchronously depending on the amount of photons they sense. A pixel activating itself is called an event. In essence, events are driven by the scene’s dynamics, not an arbitrary clock anymore, so the acquisition speed always matches the actual scene dynamics.
High-performance event-based deblurring is achieved by synchronizing a frame-based and Prophesee’s event-based sensor. The system then fills the gaps between and inside the frames with microsecond events to algorithmically extract pure motion information and repair motion blur.

Availability


A development kit featuring compatibility with Prophesee sensor technologies is expected to be available this year.

ABOUT PROPHESEE


Prophesee is the inventor of the world’s most advanced neuromorphic vision systems.
The company developed a breakthrough Event-Based Vision approach to computer vision. This new vision category allows for significant reductions of power, latency and data processing requirements to reveal what was invisible to traditional frame-based sensors until now. Prophesee’s patented Metavision® sensors and algorithms mimic how the human eye and brain work to dramatically improve efficiency in areas such as industrial automation, mobile, IoT, and AR/VR.
Prophesee is based in Paris, with local offices in Grenoble, Shanghai, Tokyo and Silicon Valley. The company is driven by a team of more than 100 visionary engineers, holds more than 50 international patents and is backed by leading international equity and corporate investors including 360 Capital Partners, European Investment Bank, iBionext, Intel Capital, Prosperity7 Ventures, Robert Bosch Venture Capital, Sinovation, Supernova Invest, Will Semiconductor, Xiaomi.
Learn more: www.prophesee.ai
 
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I don't fully trust the whole thing yet... We will only see it with the next figures. Based on experience, we cannot expect news from BrainChip in the foreseeable future. As long as there are no figures or any mention of Akida in any form, in my opinion, it is still speculation.
 
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I want this to happen as much as anyone, but I and others beat ourselves into an excited frenzy then over the Qualcomm presenter saying ‘coming to smartphones soon’ and using video that showed what I assumed was OUR motion blur fixing technology.

So the current smartphones have Synsense tech and not ours. But I reckon Luca would love it to be our tech, and surely will be in the next rendition of smartphone released with Qualcomm and Prophesee.

@Dhm i agree that we should definitely be cautious in regards to things like this, like i said the jury is still out! and its just speculation based on the available facts

Im not sure where you're getting the info about synsense being in current smartphone tech?

In this case, im prepared for the worst (synsense), but hopeful for the best (brainchip).
 
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I want this to happen as much as anyone, but I and others beat ourselves into an excited frenzy then over the Qualcomm presenter saying ‘coming to smartphones soon’ and using video that showed what I assumed was OUR motion blur fixing technology.

So the current smartphones have Synsense tech and not ours. But I reckon Luca would love it to be our tech, and surely will be in the next rendition of smartphone released with Qualcomm and Prophesee.
No the current phones do not have SynSense in them. SynSense have built a product using Prophesee’s sensor and are marketing it.

This is separate and discreet from everything else done by Prophesee.

You need to go back and read the original announcement covering SynSense and Prophesee.

It basically sounded like Prophesee said SynSense is going to try to build something and if they can we will help them market it.

There is nothing in that announcement to exclude further agreements being entered by Prophesee with Brainchip or that indicated Sony or Qualcomm were part of this discreet arrangement.

My opinion only DYOR
FF

AKIDA BALLISTA
 
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Taproot

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I want this to happen as much as anyone, but I and others beat ourselves into an excited frenzy then over the Qualcomm presenter saying ‘coming to smartphones soon’ and using video that showed what I assumed was OUR motion blur fixing technology.

So the current smartphones have Synsense tech and not ours. But I reckon Luca would love it to be our tech, and surely will be in the next rendition of smartphone released with Qualcomm and Prophesee.
Why do you keep playing this down. ?
No one is talking about current smartphones
Qualcomm presentation didn't say this tech was available, he said it was coming ? , he didn't say when.

From the prophesee announcement about 6 hrs ago:
A development kit featuring compatibility with Prophesee sensor technologies is expected to be available this year.

From a reuters article published 3 hrs ago

Paris-based startup Prophesee, a maker of camera chips inspired by the way the human eye works, said on Monday it has signed a multi-year deal with Qualcomm Inc (QCOM.O) to be used with the smartphone technology giant's product.
Manufacturing of the chip will be outsourced to Sony Group Corp (6758.T). "So we are really combining both key players in the space," said Verre, referring to both Qualcomm and Sony, without disclosing financial terms of the deal.

Verre said the Prophesee chip will be used in addition to conventional camera chips in a blueprint for smartphones that will be released this week at Mobile World Congress in Barcelona.
Mass production of the chips is planned for next year when they would be integrated into phones, he said.

The additional Prophesee chip will help correct some of the blurry imagery in existing smartphone camera systems, said Verre.



We have been rabbiting on about how Prophesee and Brainchip are a match made in heaven for years.
Long before Brainchip and Prophesee even got together officially.
I think you should allow yourself to continue beating yourself into a frenzy.
PS. This blurry image thing is something we should all be following very very closely !
IMHO ( Do your own research and do lots of it )
 
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I know this is a wide speculation and going to be wrong

As mentioned in the link ...."Prophesee’s neuromorphic Event-Based Metavision Sensors"
....They needed Akida1500 to work (for what they needed it for), hence we had to tape-out Akida1500 also so the other markets/customers can get their hands also on it so as not to upset anyone going forwards,

I am going to guess Brainchip maybe on the sensors and nothing else at the moment

Hi Aaronx,

Akida 1500 has a CNN2SNN front end. Akida handles the Prophesee spikes au naturel.

Luca has stated that their involvement with Akida is preliminary.

Qualcomm Snapdragon 8.2 has its own AI processor "Hexagon", so I would be surprised if Akida is included in this prophesee/Snapdragon collaboration.

I love surprises.
 
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This is awesome news - Neuromorphic being name dropped with QUALCOMM alone is good enough to increase interest! Also of interest

"Verre said the Prophesee chip will be used in addition to conventional camera chips in a blueprint for smartphones that will be released this week at Mobile World Congress in Barcelona. Mass production of the chips is planned for next year when they would be integrated into phones, he said."

So this week we hear about neuromorphic vision for smartphones which are being mass produced next year, with Prophesee who have said that akida completes their offering.

But no, prophesee wouldn't use their complete, optimised sensor for this would they.... lol

Bullish
Prophesee's DVS is referred to as "neuromorphic'' because it produces retina-like spikes.
 
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If ARM was an arm, BRN would be its biceps💪!

This richness of offerings at the processor level is a result of a dynamic vendor ecosystem focused on delivering trust and security to the edge IoT space, with myriad players from the embedded, mobile, and computing industries involved (see the table below), resulting in a highly competitive market.

Silicon IPMCUMPUAP/SoC/SoMCPU
Arm, Kameleon Security, Rambus, RISC-V, Secure-IC, ProvenRun, Intrinsic ID, Synopsys, SiFive, Cadence Design Systems, Cycuity, PUFsecurity, Silex InsightInfineon, Silicon Labs, NXP, Microchip, TI, Renesas, Espressif NXP, STMicroelectronics, Microchip, RenesasQualcomm, Samsung, NVIDIA, MediaTek, TI, Marvell, Montage Technology, Nordic SemiconductorAMD, Intel
 
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Embedded World 2023 will produce many great BRAINCHIP surprises, me thinkith!

 
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buena suerte :-)

BOB Bank of Brainchip
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Bravo

If ARM was an arm, BRN would be its biceps💪!
22nm
  • Renesas has deals with both Andes and SiFive and 22nm is where they're headed over the next few years.
  • In December 2022, Renesas announced they're working with a third party taping out a device on 22nm.
  • Four weeks ago, it was announced that BrainChip had achieved tape out of it AKD 1500 reference design. The tape-out was completed using GlobalFoundries’ 22nm fully depleted silicon-on-insulator (FD-SOI) technology.

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If ARM was an arm, BRN would be its biceps💪!
  • Nokia and Bosch are continuing their joint research in 6G, exploring the integration of sensing technologies in future 6G systems
  • Nokia and Bosch have begun conducting joint research in the next generation of networking, investigating how future 6G networks could be used for both communications and sensing when they are commercially available by the end of the decade.
  • While 5G has the potential to determine the location of devices connected to the network, 6G will have the ability to track the position of any object – whether connected or unconnected. This will allow 6G signals to function similarly to radar, giving users an awareness of their surroundings beyond their traditional senses.
  • In the next decade, 6G will be capable of sensing all objects in their coverage areas regardless of whether they contain active radios. We are creating networks that will endow humans with a digital 6th sense.”


 
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Bravo

If ARM was an arm, BRN would be its biceps💪!
Valeo Smart Fascias "with the combination of sensing systems". OK.

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Learning to the Top 🕵‍♂️
22nm
  • Renesas has deals with both Andes and SiFive and 22nm is where they're headed over the next few years.
  • In December 2022, Renesas announced they're working with a third party taping out a device on 22nm.
  • Four weeks ago, it was announced that BrainChip had achieved tape out of it AKD 1500 reference design. The tape-out was completed using GlobalFoundries’ 22nm fully depleted silicon-on-insulator (FD-SOI) technology.

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Thanks for the refresher Bravo,

"The other side is the embedded AI with DRP dynamically reconfigurable processor for vision solutions. That’s a feedforward neural network rather than a convolutional neural network (CNN), and it offers reasonable 0.5TOPS to 10TOPS at very low power compared to day the Nvidia or Intel equivalent. From my perspective RISC-V will evolve into that areas in the not too distant future."

“So that’s kind of the plan that we have, to evolve that into that landscape,” he said. “At the very low end, we have added an ARM M33 MCU and spiking neural network with BrainChip core licensed for selected applications – we have licensed what we need to license from BrainChip including the software to get the ball rolling.”

I know @Diogenese had mentioned a few time Renesas DPR-AI is their in-house AI. However, the 'feedforward neural network' is a function of Akida ?

I have also miss this, Renesas had also licensed 'the Software'

Learning 🏖
 
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Hi Aaronx,

Akida 1500 has a CNN2SNN front end. Akida handles the Prophesee spikes au naturel.

Luca has stated that their involvement with Akida is preliminary.

Qualcomm Snapdragon 8.2 has its own AI processor "Hexagon", so I would be surprised if Akida is included in this prophesee/Snapdragon collaboration.

I love surprises.

Dio,

That sums up the current situation beautifully.

I personally think it's still too early to be linking Brainchip with anything, science fiction or not.

But I do like it when the words "smartphones" and "neuromorphic" are intertwined, that's something we haven't seen stated in
news articles that I can remember in the last few years.

Signed IP Licenses are what is currently required, lets stay focused on that, but great research is just that, great, and appreciated by those
whom are time poor, or just plain lazy.

Hot week in Perth, hope the weather is cooler in your neck of the woods.

Regards Tech (y)
 
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No the current phones do not have SynSense in them. SynSense have built a product using Prophesee’s sensor and are marketing it.

This is separate and discreet from everything else done by Prophesee.

You need to go back and read the original announcement covering SynSense and Prophesee.

It basically sounded like Prophesee said SynSense is going to try to build something and if they can we will help them market it.

There is nothing in that announcement to exclude further agreements being entered by Prophesee with Brainchip or that indicated Sony or Qualcomm were part of this discreet arrangement.

My opinion only DYOR
FF

AKIDA BALLISTA
This is the relevant paragraph from the original announcement:

“The combined vision processing solution will be co-marketed by both companies and commercialized by SynSense for addressing IoT and Smart Home detection and gesture control applications.”


If you can be bothered the article also points out SynSense is CNN based so compromises the potential of Prophesee’s vision sensor as it has to convert the spikes to process it is not like AKIDA.

My opinion only DYOR
FF

AKIDA BALLISTA
 
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