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[IloveLamp]

Actually it looks like Competitor 1 is Intel, if the previous chart is anything to go by. How come Qualcomm has never been on any of our competitor charts?


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I have posed the same question in the past @Bravo

Perhaps it is part of an NDA that BRN signed that prohibits them from mentioning Qualcomm in any form? Just a thought

I for one think the fact Qualcomm has never been mentioned as a competitor, even though their recent claims suggest they should be, leaves me with a most comfortable feeling.....

My opinion only. Dyor

EDIT: P.S

The same could be said for APPLE and SAMSUNG...........

 

[Diogenese]

Hello chippers,
I have been trying to understand one thing that I hope you clever people can help me with. Sean has said that it takes around 3-4 years for a IP customer to put a new product to market with our IP (from memory). Renesas and megachips signed IP contracts some years ago so hopefully they are soon ready with a product that will provide us with royalties. But what about all other eco system partners and early adopters. Are we expecting a IP license agreement from all these early adopters and partners and then 3-4 years from the signed contract untill a commercial royalty bearing product is ready?
Sorry if this has already been discussed.

One thing to remember is that several of our early engagements are joint developments rather than licences. For example, our Valeo relationship is a joint development. The development will proceed in a "commercial-in-confidence" basis until it's commercialized. A JD would not necessarily attract a licence fee, just a share of profit. So I'm hoping that Scala 3, due out soon, will include Akida.

Other JD partners include:
nViso
Edge impulse
Prophesee
SiFive
Socionext


... and of course there are the other 100+ NDAs.

 

[Fullmoonfever]

Wonder if Columbia will eventually jump on the Uni Accelerator Program

https://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://sld.cs.columbia.edu/pubs/clair_cases23.slides.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwiO1d2ss8-EAxWVcvUHHedqDHwQFnoECBMQAQ&usg=AOvVaw3BU88k81szLTOV77XRQ577

 

[Bravo]

I have posed the same question in the past @Bravo

I for one think the fact Qualcomm has never been mentioned as a competitor, even though their recent claims suggest they should be, leaves me with a most comfortable feeling.....

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My opinion only. Dyor

Oh, don't worry @IloveLamp! I'm picking up what your putting down!

 

[manny100]

Does anyone else reckon that Competitor 1 on the slide is Qualcomm?

Surely they're not going to bypass the opportunity to add "on-chip learning" to their suite of capabilities, particularly if they want to rule the edge.


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Best i can do from an old presentation:

 

[IloveLamp]

Oh, don't worry @IloveLamp! I'm picking up what your putting down!

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[Diogenese]

Tesla Roadster to be unveiled this year with sub-one-second 0-97km/h, claims Musk

Tesla hasn't forgotten the Roadster, due next year with a claimed 0-97km/h time of less than one second, says Musk.

www.drive.com.au

1,000kms range.

To get that range, it probably uses a silicon/graphite blend anode battery. (see Talga thread).

 

[Bravo]

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[IloveLamp]

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[manny100]

Ok, if its not AKIDA that is the event based/power saving Neuromorphic AI that Prophesee is supplying to Qualcomm for the Snapdragon then who is it???/

 

[IloveLamp]

Ok, if its not AKIDA that is the event based/power saving Neuromorphic AI that Prophesee is supplying to Qualcomm for the Snapdragon then who is it???/

Prophesee has their own Neuromorphic ip, although i believe ours is superior hense why they partnered with us.......


So it is possible it excludes us without including anyone else........but i like our chances

Prophesee has also never been mentioned by the company as a competitor either..........

That is my understanding

 

[Fact Finder]

My guestimates are
1.Qualcomm is there with Mercedes.
2. Qualcomm is one of the biggest player in mobile chips.
3. Qualcomm is a big customer of arm
That means by no way 1.Qualcomm will not be aware of brainchip.
2. Brainchip is targeting the edge and Qualcomm have a good presence there.
3. Qualcomm should be very quick to assess brainchip products.
4. Qualcomm may decided to ramain a competitor to brainchip or they may join forces under an NDA.
Now when our biggest competitor Intel join forces with us how far Qualcomm remain behind here!!
To me Qualcomm position with brainchip is very important for the entire market and when it will be clear to the market it may be a big news.

Hi rgupta
If we go back to last year when some details about the Qualcomm Mercedes engagement was announced I suggested that it did not in anyway justify the belief that Mercedes had abandoned AKIDA in favour of Snapdragon.

I agree it is completely illogical to believe that Qualcomm does not have a deep understanding of Brainchip's AKIDA technology. At the very least the mutual engagement with Mercedes Benz would have force feed that understanding to Qualcomm.

When this debate concerning the merits of AKIDA v Snapdragon is had here and at HC it has by far been a debate about the merits of AKD1000 and the Qualcomm claims regarding Snapdragon's latest version/s. The reality in assessing Qualcomm's merit as a competitor in my opinion should be with respect to AKIDA 2.0 because this is Brainchip's current leading technology and Snapdragon's latest version/s are Qualcomm's leading technology in this space.

When you compare these two technologies Snapdragon still remains five years behind.

By the way loyal Peter van der Made supporters of which I am one do not think that I am in anyway disparaging the AKD1000 achievement. Remember Peter van der Made had/has a vision and it is AGI by around 2030 and Sean Hehir CEO has a plan where every 12 to 18 months a further technology step towards that destination will be commercialised. AKD1000 will always have an important historical place in the development of Brainchip the company.

To be clear my first post was a reply to @charles2 's post requesting clarification with regards to Prophesee and Branchip. I gave him in answer what I believe are indisputable propositions based upon actual knowledge of the state of play. Nothing more nothing less.

If you want speculation then my speculation is that Qualcomm just like NASA, DARPA, ARM, SiFive, Intel and Tata cannot afford to neglect consideration of AKIDA 2.0 with TENNS and ViT.

My opinion only DYOR
Fact Finder

 

[IloveLamp]

Hi rgupta
If we go back to last year when some details about the Qualcomm Mercedes engagement was announced I suggested that it did not in anyway justify the belief that Mercedes had abandoned AKIDA in favour of Snapdragon.

I agree it is completely illogical to believe that Qualcomm does not have a deep understanding of Brainchip's AKIDA technology. At the very least the mutual engagement with Mercedes Benz would have force feed that understanding to Qualcomm.

When this debate concerning the merits of AKIDA v Snapdragon is had here and at HC it has by far been a debate about the merits of AKD1000 and the Qualcomm claims regarding Snapdragon's latest version/s. The reality in assessing Qualcomm's merit as a competitor in my opinion should be with respect to AKIDA 2.0 because this is Brainchip's current leading technology and Snapdragon's latest version/s are Qualcomm's leading technology in this space.

When you compare these two technologies Snapdragon still remains five years behind.

By the way loyal Peter van der Made supporters of which I am one do not think that I am in anyway disparaging the AKD1000 achievement. Remember Peter van der Made had/has a vision and it is AGI by around 2030 and Sean Hehir CEO has a plan where every 12 to 18 months a further technology step towards that destination will be commercialised. AKD1000 will always have an important historical place in the development of Brainchip the company.

To be clear my first post was a reply to @charles2 's post requesting clarification with regards to Prophesee and Branchip. I gave him in answer what I believe are indisputable propositions based upon actual knowledge of the state of play. Nothing more nothing less.

If you want speculation then my speculation is that Qualcomm just like NASA, DARPA, ARM, SiFive, Intel and Tata cannot afford to neglect consideration of AKIDA 2.0 with TENNS and ViT.

My opinion only DYOR
Fact Finder

 

[Diogenese]

We are partners with Prophesee. Any chance AKIDA is involved with the new Qualcomm Snapdragon or maybe the one after.
Prophessee are supplying a chip for Qualcomm. " Vision firm Prophesee has announced a new collaboration that will see its neuromorphic Metavision sensors optimised for use with Qualcomm’s Snapdragon mobile platforms."
BRN Partnership June14th 2022:
" “We’ve successfully ported the data from Prophesee’s neuromorphic-based camera sensor to process inference on Akida with impressive performance,” said Anil Mankar, Co-Founder and CDO of BrainChip. “This combination of intelligent vision sensors with Akida’s ability to process data with unparalleled efficiency, precision and economy of energy at the point of acquisition truly advances state-of-the-art AI enablement and offers manufacturers a ready-to-implement solution.”
Is AKIDA in the new Snapdragon described in your post?
At a presentation last year by Sean last year when talking about Tech partnerships and how we need to show our AKIDA works well with any processors etc our clients use (that is why we embedded with ARM) he said:
" a customer buys a Prophesee camera they want to know Branchip works well with them"
Not sure whether this was just a qiup or an unintentional slip of the tongue given NDA??
In any case Prophesee have been working with the AKIDA chip for almost 2 years - and it works.
I am not sure of any other event based/power saving Neuromorphic AI companies are advanced enough to have gone this far.
According to Sean at the recent presentation we are streets ahead of the competition.

Akida is capable of image classification. The deblurring feature of Prophesee/Qualcomm/Sony does not require classification.

This Prophesee patent application described merging DVS with frame camera image. Its's about time shifting the frames to eliminate blur.

Prophesee DVS Frame Camera

US2022329771A1 METHOD OF PIXEL-BY-PIXEL REGISTRATION OF AN EVENT CAMERA TO A FRAME CAMERA 20210402

A method for registering pixels provided in a pixel event stream comprising: acquiring image frames from a frame-based camera, each image frame being generated using an exposure period; generating a first point matrix from one or more of the image frames, the first point matrix being associated with an acquisition period of the image frames; acquiring a pixel event stream generated during the acquisition period; generating a second point matrix from pixel events of the pixel event stream, occurring during the acquisition period of the first point matrix; computing a correlation scoring function applied to at least a part of the points of the first and second point matrices, and estimating respective positions of points of the second point matrix in the first point matrix, due to depths of the points of the first point matrix related to the second point matrix, by maximizing the correlation scoring function.

 

[Diogenese]

I have posed the same question in the past @Bravo

Perhaps it is part of an NDA that BRN signed that prohibits them from mentioning Qualcomm in any form? Just a thought

I for one think the fact Qualcomm has never been mentioned as a competitor, even though their recent claims suggest they should be, leaves me with a most comfortable feeling.....


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My opinion only. Dyor

EDIT: P.S

The same could be said for APPLE and SAMSUNG...........

Hi ILL,

That comforting feeling drops away as the temperature drops.

 

[IloveLamp]

Hi ILL,

That comforting feeling drops away as the temperature drops.

 

[Esq.111]

Afternoon Diogenese ,

Thankyou once again for your tireless Technical Knowledge , mind boggling.

From what i have picked up .... and i could be mistaken.... our chip / IP works on First Kernel in is First Kernel out , with No Backend Loading ( whatever that means ).

As per picture ......

Regards,
Esq.

 

[IloveLamp]

Green..........

 

[7für7]

Actually it looks like Competitor 1 is Intel, if the previous chart is anything to go by. How come Qualcomm has never been on any of our competitor charts?


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What the hack are you doing here!? No wonder the share price drops please do us a favour oookeeeeeyyy?!?!?!

 

[IloveLamp]

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