AVZ Discussion 2022

[Hudnut]

When your own shareholders are complaining about the location of your own key asset, it devalues that asset because we don't want it. Therefore it is at a sale price therefore you'll be lucky to get your shit 1.5billion

It has nothing to do with the location beside the corruption that is endemic there at every level.

As we all know, Congressman Ronny Jackson has even said this blatantly in front of a congressional committee, and this was reported widely through international and social media.

Everyone knows it. It's not a secret. You've got rocks in your head if you think any sale price hasn't already had all drawbacks factored in.

Nothing we say will devalue Manono. People making insults aren't saying anything that hasn't already been said for the last 3 years. Felix, Cominiere et al aren't going to suddenly get precious about it, or get offended any more that they already would be (if they even cared). If people want the Lithium and Tin, they'll pay for it based on the resource and already known jurisdictional issues.


"While addressing a U.S. congressional committee following his recent trip to DR Congo, Rwanda, and other countries in the region, Congressman Ronny Jackson who chairs the House Armed Services Committee on Intelligence and Special Operations, shared key insights on the ongoing crisis in DR Congo.......

Jackson identified corruption as a major contributor to the crisis, arguing that the Congolese government has failed to tackle it. He highlighted how corruption benefits certain investors while excluding others, fuelling instability. “There’s a certain level of corruption everywhere, but I was shocked at how bad it is there,” he said.

“There’s a biased justice system—you can never be assured that if you go there and get into a legal dispute, you will get a fair judgment. If you are right, they still might not rule in your favour,” he added. He also pointed out manipulated exchange rates, excessive and arbitrary fees, and a system where government officials and their families grow wealthy while the general population suffers.""

 

[aon]

Feel better now?

Read the room, ya moron.

Read the room moron, really , you think it will make an Oz of a difference, what planet are you from, restraint with corrupt ......s (that was me showing restraint by the way) makes ZERO dif imo (nxt time I'll post it on a Friday maybe it will be more palatable fyt ) proven throughout this entire debacle over the past 3 yrs. Keep dreaming by the way there free.
The outcome will be the same regardless in my view, SH will get a pay day. Moron

 

[PhatCatz]

Everyone posting it’s worth $2 per share…. Fuck that. I want more. Way more for this resource and the illegal bullshit we’ve been through. Court rulings will be in AVZ favour and that’s $10b USD minimum (~$A4.30ish per share). $2 is a pisstake if true.

 

[PhatCatz]

It isn't really our fault if those criminals are insulted by us pointing out what they've done.
They're thin skinned crooks and traitors of the DRC. Everyone should go and lay into the on X really and not let up until we get our money.
I've rarely seen an 'insult' there, only facts.

Think strategically. This isn’t about calling out corrupt actors and their feelings it’s the political optics of the USA investing into a country that has ingrained corruption. Similar but not the same.

Yes everyone knows the DRC is corrupt but there historically hasn’t been a constant barrage of social media warriors working their beautiful magic calling it out at every chance they can get (not saying it’s a bad thing and I’ve done my fair share too!). But at the pointy end all the big dog players (partially the USA!) will want to spin this as a winning move forward, building trusting and long lasting partnerships for joint economic growth blah blah blah. The usual political spin…

However, if every media release or policy commentary is hijacked by corruption call outs it would just provide an easy win for anyone who is against these partnerships (such as China and its growing “behind the scenes” media influence or anti trump activists) to leverage and build a narrative to divide, cause unrest and possibly influence future investment decisions. Future Spitballing but maybe like these over the top ESG (such as net zero) commitments companies have been pressured into by shareholders when making investments… but with maybe investments in corruption Instead? Dunno.

Anyways no idea what I’m trying to say just a various thoughts on the processes and messages by those who might be ITK. Probably safer to relax then ramp up the the anti-corruption campaign at this point in time. Let’s play it out.

$12 for balance on my post.

 

[Goldenboy]

Think strategically. This isn’t about calling out corrupt actors and their feelings it’s the political optics of the USA investing into a country that has ingrained corruption. Similar but not the same.

Yes everyone knows the DRC is corrupt but there historically hasn’t been a constant barrage of social media warriors working their beautiful magic calling it out at every chance they can get (not saying it’s a bad thing and I’ve done my fair share too!). But at the pointy end all the big dog players (partially the USA!) will want to spin this as a winning move forward, building trusting and long lasting partnerships for joint economic growth blah blah blah. The usual political spin…

However, if every media release or policy commentary is hijacked by corruption call outs it would just provide an easy win for anyone who is against these partnerships (such as China and its growing “behind the scenes” media influence or anti trump activists) to leverage and build a narrative to divide, cause unrest and possibly influence future investment decisions. Spitballing but maybe like these over the top ESG (such as net zero) commitments companies have been pressured into by shareholders when making investments… but with maybe investments in corruption Instead? Dunno.

Anyways no idea what I’m trying to say just a various thoughts on the processes and messages by those who might be ITK. Probably safer to relax then ramp up the the anti-corruption campaign at this point in time. Let’s play it out.

$12 for balance on my post.

….so that’s $12. !!??

 

[Exo324]

Think strategically. This isn’t about calling out corrupt actors and their feelings it’s the political optics of the USA investing into a country that has ingrained corruption. Similar but not the same.

Yes everyone knows the DRC is corrupt but there historically hasn’t been a constant barrage of social media warriors working their beautiful magic calling it out at every chance they can get (not saying it’s a bad thing and I’ve done my fair share too!). But at the pointy end all the big dog players (partially the USA!) will want to spin this as a winning move forward, building trusting and long lasting partnerships for joint economic growth blah blah blah. The usual political spin…

However, if every media release or policy commentary is hijacked by corruption call outs it would just provide an easy win for anyone who is against these partnerships (such as China and its growing “behind the scenes” media influence or anti trump activists) to leverage and build a narrative to divide, cause unrest and possibly influence future investment decisions. Future Spitballing but maybe like these over the top ESG (such as net zero) commitments companies have been pressured into by shareholders when making investments… but with maybe investments in corruption Instead? Dunno.

Anyways no idea what I’m trying to say just a various thoughts on the processes and messages by those who might be ITK. Probably safer to relax then ramp up the the anti-corruption campaign at this point in time. Let’s play it out.

$12 for balance on my post.

I agree

At the end of the day, whoever buys us out will be fully aware of the corruption and be convinced that they are able to mitigate that (ie through force from the US govt) but being publically traded Cos, they (rio for eg) will need to sell it to their shareholders who might not be super in the know with this corruption. They will need to sell it as a win - and package up this dogshit we have been dealing with. I believe with the help of Erik Price etc they will be able to secure their investments in ways we have not - but it’s the optics; how do they alleviate fears to their own shareholders to make this all happen?

IMO to save face, tshisekedi will throw someone under the bus to show he has dealt with this corruption - but not actually all involved. Who knows, they might have dirt on him or he was the true mastermind. But it seems the US wants to continue working with him to keep stability in the region so they still need a way out for him.

 

[Pokok]

wow 1 month ago everybody mates , agreeing with each other , back slapping , now fighting with each other , chill people chill remember they are watching us also , it will happen when it happens its business , I had a company for 30 years employed many people but you know what I did not care what people thought of me it was just business

 

[rocknrolla]

If the board want to communicate it won’t be through Jen’s etc. a minute ago it was worth $1 cos of risk etc.
Any deal has already been done and agreed to and we wait, so what we say doesn’t matter (never has) or we win in court and wait (again what we say doesn’t matter). So chill the fuck out.
This changes if 9card, fox, geo says stfu

 

[Stockinvesting]

The thing is, these people are have dark triad, psychopathic minds, they don't care what you think of them, they don't even care what their constituents think of them beyond how they can benefit them.

The question is then, what is there to gain from insulting or berating them? The answer is none, outside of making you feel better, there is nothing to be gained. You aren't going to make them change their ways, or the imbedded culture of corruption that enables them. Unless you have leverage over them such as the US and ISCID you are wasting your time.

Just save your energy in my opinion.

I think Jens is a bit of a blowhard and wanna-be spokesperson for AVZ shareholders which can leave a bad taste in my mouth with how he tries to tell other shareholders how they should feel/act.

Having said that, I do have respect for the often telegraphed and considered takes August has given his background and connections so willing to give the benefit of the doubt.

LOL. I wasn't going to contribute further to this "absurd " conversation. I'm sick of it.

But you sir are one out of the box. You've just told everyone you'll follow August's adviceAFTER mentioning "their embedded culture of corruption...." in your post.

Brilliant Einstein.

Fuck me.

 

[wombat74]

Bottom line is if the US/West wants a slice of Manano (so China doesn't control the Lithium market for the next 100years) they have to play by the ICSID rules . I think this is the long and short of it . Felix now backed into a corner needs to give AVZ an out . I'm sure he would rather completely f--k over AVZ, but circumstances have changed . I'm still not ruling out a resolution prior to the commencement of the ICSID .

 

[Frank]

President Félix Tshisekedi Calls for Measures to Restore Public Finances

President Félix-Antoine Tshisekedi Tshilombo called for urgent measures to restore public finances in the context of the war of aggression imposed by Rwanda.

He stated this in his statement at the 42nd meeting of the Council of Ministers, held on Friday, May 2, at the African Union City.

According to the minutes read by the Minister of Media, the President of the Republic noted the need, in the face of the war, to apply rigorous control of the macroeconomic framework.

"This conflict is generating a significant increase in security spending in a context of limited resources.

"This particular situation requires rigorous monitoring of the macroeconomic framework in order to prepare for the acceleration of development through the implementation of urgent measures aimed at the recovery and consolidation of public finances," stated Patrick Muyaya, Minister of Communication and Media and Government Spokesperson.

President Félix Tshisekedi, quoted by Government Spokesperson Patrick Muyaya, explained that, in concrete terms, the exceptional measures will focus on streamlining spending on certain institutions whose relevance is no longer proven, but which continue to mobilize significant resources.

Finally, the Government of the Democratic Republic of Congo has been instructed by the Head of State to identify and analyze the performance of recently created structures, which are at risk of being closed or reconfigured.

I know a great place to start

the measures will focus on streamlining spending on certain institutions whose relevance is no longer proven

 

[Mute22]

LOL. I wasn't going to contribute further to this "absurd " conversation. I'm sick of it.

But you sir are one out of the box. You've just told everyone you'll follow August's adviceAFTER mentioning "their embedded culture of corruption...." in your post.

Brilliant Einstein.

Fuck me.

Did you see me name any ministers or directly name anyone on X?

No, you didn’t.

But if you're struggling with that distinction, maybe next time I’ll use crayons instead of words to keep things simple for the end of the IQ bell-curve you're representing.

 

[Stockinvesting]

Oh. You didn't name ministers. Cheers.
So, er, you weren't referring to the DRC government then?

'Cause that's a relief. 'Cause if you refer to them (DRC government) as being corrupt, criminal, untrustworthy, dirty rotten stinking thieves, they might be offended.

And we mightn't get a ML, or, er, somethin'.

I'll leave it there I reckon. Case proven.

 

[Mute22]

Oh. You didn't name ministers. Cheers.
So, er, you weren't referring to the DRC government then?

'Cause that's a relief. 'Cause if you refer to them (DRC government) as being corrupt, criminal, untrustworthy, dirty rotten stinking thieves, they might be offended.

And we mightn't get a ML, or, er, somethin'.

I'll leave it there I reckon. Case proven.

The case is still very much open I’m afraid.

Let me be clear, stating that there's nothing to gain from spamming government officials, while acknowledging the well-known issue of corruption, which even the DRC admits is entirely different from launching personal attacks or engaging in public harassment.

I didn’t bring up this obvious fact just to restate it. I did so to explain my position.

 

[hedrox]

I think we should bite our tongues for the moment and not get too emotional about it all...it doesn't help. Negotiations are on the way and I think we should be a bit more wise.....we are so close...dont fuck it up now and safe your pineapples for later...IMO

 

[cruiser51]

I think we should bite our tongues for the moment and not get too emotional about it all...it doesn't help. Negotiations are on the way and I think we should be a bit more wise.....we are so close...dont fuck it up now and safe your pineapples for later...IMO

Hear, hear.

 

[Mr Inappropriate]

Everyone posting it’s worth $2 per share…. Fuck that. I want more. Way more for this resource and the illegal bullshit we’ve been through. Court rulings will be in AVZ favour and that’s $10b USD minimum (~$A4.30ish per share). $2 is a pisstake if true.

Yep, this thing is worth a fuck-tonne to whomever takes it through to production.

 

[wombat74]

Hope Felix gives us a reduced Tax bill . I believe it's one of the things Nigel hopes to negotiate . Could save share holder a lot of $$$ .

 

[Samus]

Think strategically. This isn’t about calling out corrupt actors and their feelings it’s the political optics of the USA investing into a country that has ingrained corruption. Similar but not the same.

Yes everyone knows the DRC is corrupt but there historically hasn’t been a constant barrage of social media warriors working their beautiful magic calling it out at every chance they can get (not saying it’s a bad thing and I’ve done my fair share too!). But at the pointy end all the big dog players (partially the USA!) will want to spin this as a winning move forward, building trusting and long lasting partnerships for joint economic growth blah blah blah. The usual political spin…

However, if every media release or policy commentary is hijacked by corruption call outs it would just provide an easy win for anyone who is against these partnerships (such as China and its growing “behind the scenes” media influence or anti trump activists) to leverage and build a narrative to divide, cause unrest and possibly influence future investment decisions. Future Spitballing but maybe like these over the top ESG (such as net zero) commitments companies have been pressured into by shareholders when making investments… but with maybe investments in corruption Instead? Dunno.

Anyways no idea what I’m trying to say just a various thoughts on the processes and messages by those who might be ITK. Probably safer to relax then ramp up the the anti-corruption campaign at this point in time. Let’s play it out.

$12 for balance on my post.

Makes sense, to be honest what I really object to is when Jens says for the umpteenth time to be respectful because negotiations are happening and I just think fuck off bullshit artist! And it makes me want to do the opposite.
We've heard it all before, it was the 'pointy end' years ago. I've had an absolute gut full, let's hope something actually is happening but if not ICSID 'is' happening and that's the one thing we know for sure. Then they'll either have to make a deal or slowly have their assets stripped to pay us out.
There is always so much hearsay going around but I'm just keeping in mind that all of it to date has proven to be absolute fucking bullshit.

 

[wombat74]

Unlike some I don't think this security /peace deal is the catalyst for getting a deal for a 1 Billion + tone high grade Lithium deposit over the line . The United States are quite capable of protecting their strategic assets where ever they may be .