AVZ Discussion 2022

[Dave Evans]

LINK:https://x.com/Its_ereko/status/2027006817289576898?s=20
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Nothing new @SilentOne

Those of us who also had shares in Leo Lithium saw it happen in Mali. The DRC has said for a long time it wants minerals to be processed in country. Somehow Zijin seems like they are going to get away with exporting raw product and CATH are the only ones I’ve heard talk about processing the raw materials in the DRC

 

[Samus]

Most likely done to give Tshisekedi something to brag about and save his arse as there’s been pressure on him from all the reports of his corruption.

The posts above yours Sam, from @Mouthpiecenomnom and @Xerof specifically doesn’t mention lithium, but it specifically keeps repeating AI (think KoBold). Don’t trust KoBold.

I initially replied to @cruiser51 post but then deleted my reply. After thinking it over I decided to repost it….

Behind KoBold’s rep is corrupt CAMI MD Popol Mabolia Yenga and left of him, and front row far right, most probably Zijin reps

ICC Dathomir 5% case pushed back I suspect because of arbitration suspension and the cherry on top would be not having a new nominated arbitrator at ICSID.

Time to spread the AVZ message far and wide as DRC becomes beholden to US for charity and security.
Hopefully they'll have to sack the the board of Cominiere or at least force them to recognise our rights and allow us to sell our assets to a US company.
Management need to capatalise on this moment imo.
It would be really nice to hear from the horses mouth what the fuck is actually happening with the dathomir ICC case. We were supposed to win it late last year. Bare minimum we need this win behind us, I'm dumbstruck they wouldn't have enough funds in reserve to keep this arbitration going regardless whatever else happens.

 

[Samus]

 

[Samus]

Nothing new @SilentOne

Those of us who also had shares in Leo Lithium saw it happen in Mali. The DRC has said for a long time it wants minerals to be processed in country. Somehow Zijin seems like they are going to get away with exporting raw product and CATH are the only ones I’ve heard talk about processing the raw materials in the DRC

I think I remember reading in one of Manono lithiums recent press releases that they plan on also processing lithium carbonate on site and they have an acid plant already set up.
How these fuckers have progressed to this point and Cominiere management remain in place is unbelievable. They've sunk $1b into the asset they stole from us in broad daylight and are supported by the highest levels of DRC government. All court orders ignored, negotiation ignored as far as we know.
There had better not be any further delays to arbitration at this point.

 

[Dave Evans]

Time to spread the AVZ message far and wide as DRC becomes beholden to US for charity and security.
Hopefully they'll have to sack the the board of Cominiere or at least force them to recognise our rights and allow us to sell our assets to a US company.
Management need to capatalise on this moment imo.
It would be really nice to hear from the horses mouth what the fuck is actually happening with the dathomir ICC case. We were supposed to win it late last year. Bare minimum we need this win behind us, I'm dumbstruck they wouldn't have enough funds in reserve to keep this arbitration going regardless whatever else happens.

Yeah totally agree Sam. The shareholders on X are doing a great job fighting the corruption. Unfortunately I see arbitration continuing to be suspended and if so I’m about done with helping. I’ve got 140 private threads of info I’ve been saving and can’t be bothered continuing wasting my time.

Cominiere’s BOD won’t get the sack. Everything I’ve seen points to them being backed by Tshisekedi and KoBold. No justice over there, look how all the ministers and officials involved just got moved over to other cushy jobs…. Mupande, Antoinette N’Samba, Kizito Pakabomba, Adele Kayinda etc, not one of them ever held accountable. The only person who could be trusted was Jules Alingette (the IGF) and he’s been removed from his position.

What’s kept us going is International Arbitration with the ICC findings feeding into the ICSID. Without them the corrupt fuckers would have won, but because we have international law on our side we have been able to assert our rights.

Unfortunately too many wasted trips overseas getting sucked in by bullshit in my view. Arbitration shouldn’t have been suspended and money should be strictly spent on arbitration. Could have saved overseas trips and kept arbitration going and I might have some incentive to keep fighting, but I’m fast approaching the point of giving up the support.

 

[Carlos Danger]

What’s kept us going is International Arbitration with the ICC findings feeding into the ICSID. Without them the corrupt fuckers would have won, but because we have international law on our side we have been able to assert our rights.

It's actually DRC law that we have on our side

Both ICC and ICSID are international arbitral institutions dealing with Cominiere and DRC Government's violations of DRC laws

ICC: 'APPLICABLE LAW - In accordance with Articles 11.2 (a) and 11.1 (e) of the Amended JV Contract, the applicable law is that of the Democratic Republic Congo'

ICSID: 'Instrument(s) Invoked: Law – Mining Code'

Nigel said at the AGM that we can expect Dathomir 5% decision in March. Do you have any recent whispers regarding this matter being further delayed or were you just referring to the delays thus far?

 

[SilentOne]

Yeah totally agree Sam. The shareholders on X are doing a great job fighting the corruption. Unfortunately I see arbitration continuing to be suspended and if so I’m about done with helping. I’ve got 140 private threads of info I’ve been saving and can’t be bothered continuing wasting my time.

Cominiere’s BOD won’t get the sack. Everything I’ve seen points to them being backed by Tshisekedi and KoBold. No justice over there, look how all the ministers and officials involved just got moved over to other cushy jobs…. Mupande, Antoinette N’Samba, Kizito Pakabomba, Adele Kayinda etc, not one of them ever held accountable. The only person who could be trusted was Jules Alingette (the IGF) and he’s been removed from his position.

What’s kept us going is International Arbitration with the ICC findings feeding into the ICSID. Without them the corrupt fuckers would have won, but because we have international law on our side we have been able to assert our rights.

Unfortunately too many wasted trips overseas getting sucked in by bullshit in my view. Arbitration shouldn’t have been suspended and money should be strictly spent on arbitration. Could have saved overseas trips and kept arbitration going and I might have some incentive to keep fighting, but I’m fast approaching the point of giving up the support.

Dave,

I remember major contributors to this web site jumping up and down because Nigel wasn't in the DRC during COVID, considering that there were severe travel restrictions. The commentary bordered on abuse.

Having worked in Asia, in a somewhat colourful profession I know that you can't trust and believe what you are being told and that Nigel would have been validating what he believed to be the case at any one time by going to the DRC. DRC is not a holiday destination for me that's for sure

I am sure that Nigel would have kept his visits to the DRC to a minimum, also taking into consideration how unsafe and dangerous the place is. Case in point, what they did and tried to do to Graham was an absolute disgrace.

I personally would like to see both the ICC & ICSID restart and followed through. However, I will defer to Nigel and the BOD on most things and congratulate them for getting us to where we are today. Nigel in particular has 50,000,000+ shares and therefore has skin in the game.

Nigel would not be taking a breath without our esteemed lawyers checking the air first.

I think your commentary is somewhat harsh - but I do understand your frustrations.



Regards,

Silent

 

[Carlos Danger]

I remember major contributors to this web site jumping up and down because Nigel wasn't in the DRC during COVID, considering that there were severe travel restrictions.

Goo goo g'joob imo

Twiggy back in WA after four-month mystery world tour

Dr Forrest arrived back in Australia before Christmas where he completed two weeks quarantine and left for WA on January 3.

www.smh.com.au

January 7, 2021

Twiggy back in WA after four-month mystery world tour

Andrew ‘Twiggy’ Forrest has returned to Western Australia after his four-month mystery world tour.

Since August Dr Forrest has been crisscrossing the globe on the Fortescue Metals Group private jet, meeting with heads of state on the search for renewable energy and minerals deals as well as furthering his philanthropic work with the Minderoo Foundation.

Dr Forrest arrived back in Australia before Christmas where he completed two weeks quarantine before eagle-eyed Sydney aviation photographer Grahame Hutchison spotted him heading back to WA on January 3 giving a non-contact elbow bump to ground crew on the way.

Currently, West Australians returning to the state from NSW must isolate for 14 days but a Fortescue spokesman said Dr Forrest received an exemption from the WA government.

“Fortescue Chairman Dr Andrew Forrest AO undertook a formal supervised 14-day quarantine period in New South Wales. The quarantine period was completed on 3 January 2021 and certified by the NSW Government,” he said.

“Due to having zero contact with any persons, including the supervising police, Dr Forrest received an exemption from the Western Australian state government to return to WA without an additional quarantine period.”

The Fortescue founder and Australia’s richest man based himself out of Croatia to avoid Australia’s strict border controls and quarantine requirements as he visited Europe and the USA as well as troubled nations including Ecuador, Colombia, Brazil, the Congo, Kenya and Ethiopia.

At the AGM in November, it was revealed Dr Forrest intended to visit 47 countries in a hunt for renewable energy projects for FMG’s renewable energy arm Fortescue Future Industries.

Dr Forrest started his trip in Papua New Guinea and then Indonesia where he signed non-binding agreements with both countries for multi-billion dollar renewables projects.

They then travelled to Afghanistan where Dr Forrest met Vice-President Amrullah Saleh, who had been targetted in a terrorist bombing in Kabul the day before.

The rest of Dr Forrest’s itinerary has been kept largely secret but in mid-December, Fortescue announced it had signed an MOU with Japanese industrial giants Kawasaki Heavy Industries and Iwatani Corporation to scratch out a business model to supply liquid hydrogen into Japan.

 

[Dave Evans]

Dave,

I remember major contributors to this web site jumping up and down because Nigel wasn't in the DRC during COVID, considering that there were severe travel restrictions. The commentary bordered on abuse.

Having worked in Asia, in a somewhat colourful profession I know that you can't trust and believe what you are being told and that Nigel would have been validating what he believed to be the case at any one time by going to the DRC. DRC is not a holiday destination for me that's for sure

I am sure that Nigel would have kept his visits to the DRC to a minimum, also taking into consideration how unsafe and dangerous the place is. Case in point, what they did and tried to do to Graham was an absolute disgrace.

I personally would like to see both the ICC & ICSID restart and followed through. However, I will defer to Nigel and the BOD on most things and congratulate them for getting us to where we are today. Nigel in particular has 50,000,000+ shares and therefore has skin in the game.

Nigel would not be taking a breath without our esteemed lawyers checking the air first.

I think your commentary is somewhat harsh - but I do understand your frustrations.



Regards,

Silent

I understand where you are coming from @SilentOne and you’re doing a great job putting information on here and supporting the company (which also includes supporting other shareholders).

I wasn’t referring to Nigel’s trips to the DRC, Belgium etc when he was negotiating the MOU (more than a year ago now) but getting led on by Kizito Pakabomba and the other DRC parties involved. And I was never critical of him not being in the DRC during Covid. I doubt that would have made any difference.

I was referring to more recent trips to the US. Anyone thinking KoBold or the US is trying to help us seems to be believing their bullshit and not following the information. The US is only in it for themselves, and what I read about Nigel’s talks in Washington was that he was asked to sell our project to KoBold, not any US company.

This is what I mean by more bullshit, the conflicting info you read comes from so called reputable sources such as Reuters, Bloomberg and really in depth reports from sources like discoveryalert.com.au.

You can’t trust Bloomberg’s news and Michael Bloomberg is a billionaire major shareholder of KoBold. A lot of what you can tell about KoBold is in what they omit as well as in their actions.

KoBold have been negotiating with and sucking up to the DRC and Cominiere for over a year. They know Roche Dure is at the top of the US State Department’s critical minerals list and they reckon they told Tshisekedi to grant us the Exploitation License.

They are as bad as Mupande, Kibeya, Tshisekedi etc. Like I said, I’ve got 140 private threads on all the bullshit and I’m sick of AVZ getting sucked in by their false narrative and actions. Got to answer Carlos now and then I think I’ll sign off for the day

 

[Dave Evans]

It's actually DRC law that we have on our side

Both ICC and ICSID are international arbitral institutions dealing with Cominiere and DRC Government's violations of DRC laws

ICC: 'APPLICABLE LAW - In accordance with Articles 11.2 (a) and 11.1 (e) of the Amended JV Contract, the applicable law is that of the Democratic Republic Congo'

ICSID: 'Instrument(s) Invoked: Law – Mining Code'

Nigel said at the AGM that we can expect Dathomir 5% decision in March. Do you have any recent whispers regarding this matter being further delayed or were you just referring to the delays thus far?

Thanks Carlos, as usual you’re knowledge and research is one of the greatest assets we shareholders have and I don’t think you get as much credit as you deserve.

I’m not part of any WhatsApp or other group either (probably for obvious reasons)…. This is what Nigel said at the AGM

“AVZ’s deal is under Australian Law”

“Case scheduled for March/April 2026 but will be pushed back”

“ICC proceedings are suspended too (in addition to ICSID)”

 

[Carlos Danger]

Thanks Carlos, as usual you’re knowledge and research is one of the greatest assets we shareholders have and I don’t think you get as much credit as you deserve.

I’m not part of any WhatsApp or other group either (probably for obvious reasons)…. This is what Nigel said at the AGM

“AVZ’s deal is under Australian Law”

“Case scheduled for March/April 2026 but will be pushed back”

“ICC proceedings are suspended too (in addition to ICSID)”

The only quotes I’ve been able to find from AGM notes online only say that the case will ‘progress in March’



Considering that this matter has been going on for over 3 years, the 10% case has already been concluded, and AVZ were confident of a resolution by end of 2025 in their July 2025 update I would say we won’t be waiting too much longer past March if at all



And again I’m extremely confident that Nigel was referring to the disclosure considerations when mentioning Australian law. It is possible that the SPA’s were under Australian law but that likeliness is minimal. Cong is certain that the SPA’s are under DRC law in the court cases but he’s a moron so that isn’t definitive proof. The only reference to the which law was used regarding the SPA’s in any way mentioned by AVZ explicitly in official announcements says DRC law. However this wording is just dealing with the subsequent legal requirements of the creation of the share certificates and doesn’t necessarily mean that the SPA’s themselves were also under DRC law:

‘AVZ maintains there was no forgery. There is no evidence of forgery. On the contrary, Dathcom (and Mr Johnston as managing director of Dathcom) were entitled and indeed obliged under DRC law to update the Dathcom company share register and request the RCCM to issue an updated share certificate identifying AVZI as a 75% shareholder of Dathcom.’

Given how vital this 5% matter is to AVZ, Nigel and Graeme in their cases brought by ASIC it is almost certainly a top priority for them to get it concluded imminently imo

 

[Doc]

The only quotes I’ve been able to find from AGM notes online only say that the case will ‘progress in March’



Considering that this matter has been going on for over 3 years, the 10% case has already been concluded, and AVZ were confident of a resolution by end of 2025 in their July 2025 update I would say we won’t be waiting too much longer past March if at all



And again I’m extremely confident that Nigel was referring to the disclosure considerations when mentioning Australian law. It is possible that the SPA’s were under Australian law but that likeliness is minimal. Cong is certain that the SPA’s are under DRC law in the court cases but he’s a moron so that isn’t definitive proof. The only reference to the which law was used regarding the SPA’s in any way mentioned by AVZ explicitly in official announcements says DRC law. However this wording is just dealing with the subsequent legal requirements of the creation of the share certificates and doesn’t necessarily mean that the SPA’s themselves were also under DRC law:

‘AVZ maintains there was no forgery. There is no evidence of forgery. On the contrary, Dathcom (and Mr Johnston as managing director of Dathcom) were entitled and indeed obliged under DRC law to update the Dathcom company share register and request the RCCM to issue an updated share certificate identifying AVZI as a 75% shareholder of Dathcom.’

Given how vital this 5% matter is to AVZ, Nigel and Graeme in their cases brought by ASIC it is almost certainly a top priority for them to get it concluded imminently imo

'imminently'

 

[Carlos Danger]

'imminently'

 

[Remark]

If anyone feels like sending a nicely worded email to Celestin?

celestinkibeya@gmail.com

 

[Dave Evans]

The only quotes I’ve been able to find from AGM notes online only say that the case will ‘progress in March’



Considering that this matter has been going on for over 3 years, the 10% case has already been concluded, and AVZ were confident of a resolution by end of 2025 in their July 2025 update I would say we won’t be waiting too much longer past March if at all



And again I’m extremely confident that Nigel was referring to the disclosure considerations when mentioning Australian law. It is possible that the SPA’s were under Australian law but that likeliness is minimal. Cong is certain that the SPA’s are under DRC law in the court cases but he’s a moron so that isn’t definitive proof. The only reference to the which law was used regarding the SPA’s in any way mentioned by AVZ explicitly in official announcements says DRC law. However this wording is just dealing with the subsequent legal requirements of the creation of the share certificates and doesn’t necessarily mean that the SPA’s themselves were also under DRC law:

‘AVZ maintains there was no forgery. There is no evidence of forgery. On the contrary, Dathcom (and Mr Johnston as managing director of Dathcom) were entitled and indeed obliged under DRC law to update the Dathcom company share register and request the RCCM to issue an updated share certificate identifying AVZI as a 75% shareholder of Dathcom.’

Given how vital this 5% matter is to AVZ, Nigel and Graeme in their cases brought by ASIC it is almost certainly a top priority for them to get it concluded imminently imo

Thanks Carlos, you’re input duly added and stored in my private threads (two different ones in this case)

AGM quotes stored in the 2025 AGM thread below

Special thanks to Bags for his contributions to the threads

 

[Flight996]

If anyone feels like sending a nicely worded email to Celestin?

celestinkibeya@gmail.com

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Before I draft something unique, what exactly constitutes nicely worded?

Do you mean grammatically correct and in the correct tense, or without profanities or reference to his tiny dick and missing Y chromosome?

The distinction is important.

Cheers
F

 

[Carlos Danger]

If anyone feels like sending a nicely worded email to Celestin?

celestinkibeya@gmail.com

View attachment 95496

Before I draft something unique, what exactly constitutes nicely worded?

Do you mean grammatically correct and in the correct tense, or without profanities or reference to his tiny dick and missing Y chromosome?

The distinction is important.

Cheers
F

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[Carlos Danger]

World Domination

 

[Remark]

They definitely had Celestin in mind when they made that list...

So, hack his email & send the list to all of his contacts?

 

[SilentOne]

LINK: https://x.com/AuSamus/status/2027135804330619169?s=20