AVZ Discussion 2022

Misfits

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That all sounds like a bit of an over optomistic feel good fantasy tbh. If the suspension is not to do with Zijin as explicitly stated then we may well be forced to start trading before much of the mess is sorted.
The arbitration has seemingly started already.
Macro is very unstable with potential for markets to continue to drop further and even some of the most dedicated holders have been rattled by this mess.

"We have the DRC Government total support"
Said government by way of Minister of Portfolio: Adèle Kahinda Mayina signed off on selling 15% of Dathcom behind AVZ's back with still no word on a resolution to date...

As much as I like the sound of shorters being burned and my investment going up reality is that we might well be in for some short-mid term pain imo, if we're trading at all in anything like a timely manner.

Our best hope is that markets recover along with some very positive news moving forward. All of which is far from guaranteed.
Perhaps some might want to temper expectations a bit...

We shall see then Sammael, everything you mentioned is contrary to my beliefs and DD, which is fine. Obviously, I am much more optimistic than your good self.
 
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Winenut

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We shall see then Sammael, everything you mentioned is contrary to my beliefs and DD, which is fine. Obviously, I am much more optimistic than your good self.
Have to be to be an Eagles supporter at the moment! :oops:
 
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wombat74

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We shall see then Sammael, everything you mentioned is contrary to my beliefs and DD, which is fine. Obviously, I am much more optimistic than your good self.
Mate are you expecting the Zijin issues to be put to bed prior to end of suspension ? You lads over in the West (cashcity and co) are all very confident . A bit of nudge nudge wink wink going on over there in Perth perhaps ?
 
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Retrobyte

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Arbitration will go ahead now unless Zijin discontinues their application. They have submitted their claim, AVZ have responded with their own submission as per the process and the statement in the announcement. At arbitration Zijin will get a chance to speak to their submission, as will AVZ, and then the tribunal decides. They may hand down a decision immediately or they may reserve the decision and publish it later. Will depend how complex the arguments are legally.
 
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cruiser51

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Not sure Zijin are currently mining in the DRC.
Zijin owns 39.6% of Kamoa
 
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tonster66

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who knows , but given the dates of the Ann on 17th of June and AVZ filed a response, which I assume it did before the 17th and possibly before the 15th . With the recommencement of trade being targeted for the 15 July 2022 ; that would be a full month I assume between filing and start of trading / 30 days


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Some one posted here not too long ago about 'Summary Dispositions'

Article 41(5) of the International Centre for Settlement of Investment Disputes (ICSID) Arbitration Rules (introduced in 2006) enables parties to “file an objection that a claim is manifestly without legal merit.” The objection must be filed within 30 days of the tribunal’s constitution (appointment of Arbitrators) and before the tribunal’s first session. While the text refers only to a lack of legal merit, several ICSID tribunals have held that parties may also raise objections under this provision based on a manifest lack of jurisdiction.

is it possible that AVZ are taking this route and looking to get ZijLns cliam knocked out before any proceedings even start?

Best case would be ML for North and South sorted; Z get knocked out and we reopen for trade
Whats interesting here is the terminology that is used in the article 41, "Without legal merit". This is the terminology that AVZ has used when it refers to the situation. I think you are on to something, about being knocked out before it starts. I reckon they also use the term "Spurious"
 
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That's because we WILL NOT BE ATTENDING..

My left nut is on this......:oops:

balls of steel GIF
Well at least your number plates correct 😂
(your avatar).
 
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wombat74

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I stand corrected...looks like they are on the list for a tax bill.
So the government know they are dodgy pricks . Unfortunately these meat heads cannot resist the offer of snacks .
 
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Bin59

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Brokers Get Unfair Profits From Lending Stock, Pension Funds Say​

Bill Alpert
July 7, 2022 2:00 am ET

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A federal magistrate recently recommended class-action status for an antitrust suit concerning share loans.

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Five of Wall Street’s biggest brokers are a step closer to defending class-action claims that they conspired to wring unfair profits from the nearly $2 trillion dollar market for stock loans.

A successful class-action case could crimp profits at the prime brokerage units of defendants Goldman Sachs (ticker: GS), Morgan Stanley (MS), UBS (UBS), the J.P. Morgan unit of JPMorgan Chase (JPM), and the Merrill Lynch unit of Bank of America (BAC).

On June 30, Manhattan federal magistrate judge Sarah Cave recommended class-action status for an antitrust case in which a trio of pension funds allege the big brokers run a cartel that extracts unfair profits from stock lending. Stock loans are a key part of the short sales and options trades carried out by hedge funds, as well as a profit source for pension and mutual funds.

When a hedge fund wants to short the shares of a particular company, it first borrows those shares from long-term investors such as investment firms, pension and endowment funds and insurance companies. The prime brokers sit between borrower and lender and have exclusive knowledge of both share inventories and trading strategies. The suit alleges that they abuse this position.
For investment giants like BlackRock or Fidelity that manage America’s pensions and savings, lending shares has become an important source of revenue and one of the reasons they have been able to reduce fees on mutual funds. If the suit is successful, these firms could get even more revenue from share lending.

Stocklending is one of the last, large over-the-counter financial markets in theU.S., and its opacity has been called “a market failure” by the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission. “This asymmetric information between those in the centre of the lending market and those on the periphery may lead to inferiorterms for those on the periphery,” said the SEC in December, when it proposed new reporting requirements on stock loans.

The prime broker defendants abused their central positions to skim profit from bothlenders and borrowers, says the antitrust complaint filed by three pensionfunds in Manhattan’s federal district court in 2017. The defendant brokersconspired to freeze out challengers that had tried to introduce transparentpricing and central clearing to the stock loan business, says the complaint,which cites conversations in which brokerage executives compared themselves tothe five crime families of the New York mafia. When one of the stock-loanstart-ups pitched his product in 2008, the complaint quotes a securitiesclearing executive as responding: “This sounds great, but who’s going to startyour car in the morning?”

If U.S. District Judge Katherine Polk Failla follows last week’s recommendationfor class-action certification, the three funds that brought the suit—the IowaPublic Employees’ Retirement System, the Orange County Employees’ RetirementSystem and the Sonoma County Employees’ Retirement System—could seek damages onbehalf of hundreds of others.

Representingthem are legal teams led by Daniel Brockett, of Quinn Emanuel Urquhart &Sullivan, and Michael Eisenkraft, of Cohen Milstein Sellers & Toll. Thelawyers have gotten billions from the big banks in settlements of otherclass-action suits over the banks’ behavior in the markets for credit default swaps, bond markets and mortgage-backed securities.

“We’re pleased with Judge Cave’s ruling on class certification,” said Brockett, “and look forward to continued litigation against the banks to maximize recoveries for the benefit of class members.”

When asked about the allegations in the antitrust suit, Goldman Sachs and UBS declined to comment. Morgan Stanley, J.P. Morgan and Merrill Lynch didn’t respond.

Credit Suisse Group
(CS) was also named in the original complaint, but after exiting the prime brokerage business in the wake of the Archegos CapitalManagement debacle, Credit Suisse settled the stock loan suit for $81 million, without admitting to the allegations.

The brokers deny that their stock loans violate antitrust law, and unsuccessfully sought to have the case dismissed. In a day-long hearing before Judge Cave inApril, lawyers for the prime brokers asserted that stock-lending over -the-counter structure helped pension funds find borrowers forless-sought-after stocks, and helped hedge funds get hard-to-borrow stocks. A more transparent stock loan market would threaten the confidentiality of short sellers positions, said the brokers.

In April’s hearing, the pension fund plaintiffs pointed to several overseas markets that introduced central clearing and public pricing to securities lending. In the U.S., public platforms for trading securities like U.S.Treasuries have trimmed clients’ transaction costs. Economists working with the plaintiffs told Judge Cave that the prime brokers’ grip on stock lending had damaged pension funds by at least $5 billion, and hedge funds by over $2billion.

Althoughthe antitrust plaintiffs seek damages on behalf of the hedge fund industry, notevery fund wanted part in the case. Pretrial discovery was stalled for monthsin 2020, when lawyers representing 22 hedge funds told the court they fearedtheir proprietary trading strategies would be exposed in the stock loan recordsthe plaintiffs were getting from the prime brokers. Anonymizing procedures wereestablished, but even then, seven large quant funds opted out of thecase—including Citadel LLC, Two Sigma Investments, Renaissance Technologies,and D.E. Shaw.

Writeto Bill Alpert at william.alpert@barrons.com
 
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John25

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And as Nut said …we use to enjoy FOMO Friday …hope the next one brings up something
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BRICK

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cruiser51

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And for the weekend...



For the for the German challenged team members, please use auto translate.
 
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JAG

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wombat74

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Question : How does 15% of AVZ's holding get terminated by a court of law ("according to Zijin ") and it not leak to the market ?
 
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