IXR General Discussion 2022
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I went the lazy way and asked Gemini about potential profits from the viridian JV:
Ionic Rare Earths Limited (ASX: IXR) has a 50/50 joint venture in Brazil called Viridion with Viridis Mining and Minerals Ltd (ASX: VMM). While specific profit expectations directly attributed to the Viridion JV are not yet publicly detailed with precise figures for the Brazilian operations, we can infer its potential based on IXR's broader rare earth recycling strategy and recent developments:
Key Takeaways and Inferred Profit Potential for Viridion JV:
* Replication of Belfast Model: The Viridion JV in Brazil aims to replicate the successful magnet recycling technology developed for Ionic Technologies' Belfast facility in the UK. The Belfast facility's Feasibility Study showed strong financial returns with a post-tax Net Present Value (NPV) of US$502 million and an Internal Rate of Return (IRR) of 43.6%, based on producing separated magnet Rare Earth Oxides (REOs) at >99.5% grade. This provides a strong indication of the profit potential if the Brazilian operations achieve similar efficiencies.
* Lower Operating Costs in Brazil: IonicRE anticipates substantially lower operating costs in converting alloy feedstock to REO product in Brazil compared to other markets. This reduction in costs would directly contribute to higher profit margins for the Viridion JV.
* Government Funding and Support: The Viridion JV has secured significant backing from the Brazilian government (BNDES and FINEP), with funding allocations of R5 billion (US903 million) for strategic mineral projects and an additional R3 billion (US542 million) for R&D and innovation centers. This financial support demonstrates government confidence and significantly de-risks the project, potentially accelerating its path to profitability.
* Strategic Market Position: The JV is positioned to play a strategic role in developing a local, sustainable, and traceable supply chain for rare earth elements in Brazil, aligning with global demand for critical minerals and reduced reliance on foreign suppliers. This strong market alignment enhances the long-term profitability outlook.
* Feedstock Security: The potential for a strong feed source from Viridis Mining and Minerals' Colossus Project further strengthens the Viridion JV's operational and financial viability.
Current Financial Status of IXR (Company-wide):
It's important to note that as a mineral exploration and development company, IXR itself has been in a pre-profitability phase. Analysts anticipate the company to incur a final loss in 2025 before generating positive profits of approximately AU$23 million in 2026, implying a breakeven point just over a year from now. This projection includes the broader activities of IXR, with the Viridion JV expected to be a significant contributor to future profitability.
In summary, while specific, standalone profit figures for the Viridion JV are not explicitly stated, the strong financial projections from the replicated Belfast model, anticipated lower operating costs in Brazil, and substantial government backing indicate that IXR expects the Viridion JV to be a highly profitable venture, contributing significantly to the company's overall positive financial performance in the coming years.
Ionic Rare Earths Limited (ASX: IXR) has a 50/50 joint venture in Brazil called Viridion with Viridis Mining and Minerals Ltd (ASX: VMM). While specific profit expectations directly attributed to the Viridion JV are not yet publicly detailed with precise figures for the Brazilian operations, we can infer its potential based on IXR's broader rare earth recycling strategy and recent developments:
Key Takeaways and Inferred Profit Potential for Viridion JV:
* Replication of Belfast Model: The Viridion JV in Brazil aims to replicate the successful magnet recycling technology developed for Ionic Technologies' Belfast facility in the UK. The Belfast facility's Feasibility Study showed strong financial returns with a post-tax Net Present Value (NPV) of US$502 million and an Internal Rate of Return (IRR) of 43.6%, based on producing separated magnet Rare Earth Oxides (REOs) at >99.5% grade. This provides a strong indication of the profit potential if the Brazilian operations achieve similar efficiencies.
* Lower Operating Costs in Brazil: IonicRE anticipates substantially lower operating costs in converting alloy feedstock to REO product in Brazil compared to other markets. This reduction in costs would directly contribute to higher profit margins for the Viridion JV.
* Government Funding and Support: The Viridion JV has secured significant backing from the Brazilian government (BNDES and FINEP), with funding allocations of R5 billion (US903 million) for strategic mineral projects and an additional R3 billion (US542 million) for R&D and innovation centers. This financial support demonstrates government confidence and significantly de-risks the project, potentially accelerating its path to profitability.
* Strategic Market Position: The JV is positioned to play a strategic role in developing a local, sustainable, and traceable supply chain for rare earth elements in Brazil, aligning with global demand for critical minerals and reduced reliance on foreign suppliers. This strong market alignment enhances the long-term profitability outlook.
* Feedstock Security: The potential for a strong feed source from Viridis Mining and Minerals' Colossus Project further strengthens the Viridion JV's operational and financial viability.
Current Financial Status of IXR (Company-wide):
It's important to note that as a mineral exploration and development company, IXR itself has been in a pre-profitability phase. Analysts anticipate the company to incur a final loss in 2025 before generating positive profits of approximately AU$23 million in 2026, implying a breakeven point just over a year from now. This projection includes the broader activities of IXR, with the Viridion JV expected to be a significant contributor to future profitability.
In summary, while specific, standalone profit figures for the Viridion JV are not explicitly stated, the strong financial projections from the replicated Belfast model, anticipated lower operating costs in Brazil, and substantial government backing indicate that IXR expects the Viridion JV to be a highly profitable venture, contributing significantly to the company's overall positive financial performance in the coming years.
Frank
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Ionic Rare Earths eyes rare earth expansion in US
Ionic Rare Earths managing director Tim Harrison talked with Proactive about the company's strategic developments surrounding the Viridion Joint Venture and potential expansion into the United States rare earths market.
Harrison confirmed that IonicRE, through its 50/50 Brazilian joint venture with Viridis Mining and Minerals Ltd (ASX:VMM), is considering establishing a rare earth refinery in the US.
This would complement its ongoing initiatives in Brazil and builds on IonicRE's production capabilities already established at its UK-based Ionic Technologies subsidiary.
The Viridion JV was recently selected to participate in a BRL 7.5 billion (approximately USD 1.4 billion) program initiated by the Brazilian government, aiming to bolster domestic rare earth production. This funding milestone paves the way for IonicRE to consider further value-add processing facilities beyond Brazil.
“The nature of that will really be dependenton some of the discussions that we've been having with groups in the US,” Harrison said, indicating that talks are progressing with potential US-based stakeholders.
Over the coming weeks, IonicRE and its joint venture partner will focus on finalising funding structure discussions in Brazil and defining the scope for any potential US facility, including whether it would target heavy rare earths or other specific product streams.
Last updated: 04:35 19 Jun 2025 BST,
Ionic Rare Earths managing director Tim Harrison talked with Proactive about the company's strategic developments surrounding the Viridion Joint Venture and potential expansion into the United States rare earths market.
Harrison confirmed that IonicRE, through its 50/50 Brazilian joint venture with Viridis Mining and Minerals Ltd (ASX:VMM), is considering establishing a rare earth refinery in the US.
This would complement its ongoing initiatives in Brazil and builds on IonicRE's production capabilities already established at its UK-based Ionic Technologies subsidiary.
The Viridion JV was recently selected to participate in a BRL 7.5 billion (approximately USD 1.4 billion) program initiated by the Brazilian government, aiming to bolster domestic rare earth production. This funding milestone paves the way for IonicRE to consider further value-add processing facilities beyond Brazil.
“The nature of that will really be dependenton some of the discussions that we've been having with groups in the US,” Harrison said, indicating that talks are progressing with potential US-based stakeholders.
Over the coming weeks, IonicRE and its joint venture partner will focus on finalising funding structure discussions in Brazil and defining the scope for any potential US facility, including whether it would target heavy rare earths or other specific product streams.
Last updated: 04:35 19 Jun 2025 BST,
Frank
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Fyi, IXR
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Koproskilo
*The Next 6 months will be very interesting
In the mean time we wait and Prey
Food for thought
Frank
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Relax everyone, it's just the day traders closing their positions, it's a Friday, close to the EOFY and the SP has risen in the last couple of weeks, they taking profits, unfortunately it happens and it seems worse when you are totally undervalued, they not interesting with the ins and outs of RE and don't give a damn if the SP falls, just means they can re-enter at a lower price.
I spoke with Tim yesterday and am perfectly comfortable with where we are currently heading, like he said in the last couple of interviews with proactive and NWR a lot of news flow to follow, much of it before the funding in Brazil at the end of July.
If I more cash I'd be buying...
AIMO of course.
Have a good weekend.
Breakoutthecash
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Winenut
GO AVZ!!!!
I have been juggling some stocks but one that I'm not playing with and definitely keeping is IXRFyi, IXR
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Koproskilo
*The Next 6 months will be very interesting
In the mean time we wait and Prey
Food for thought
Frank
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Relax everyone, it's just the day traders closing their positions, it's a Friday, close to the EOFY and the SP has risen in the last couple of weeks, they taking profits, unfortunately it happens and it seems worse when you are totally undervalued, they not interesting with the ins and outs of RE and don't give a damn if the SP falls, just means they can re-enter at a lower price.
I spoke with Tim yesterday and am perfectly comfortable with where we are currently heading, like he said in the last couple of interviews with proactive and NWR a lot of news flow to follow, much of it before the funding in Brazil at the end of July.
If I more cash I'd be buying...
AIMO of course.
Have a good weekend.
Breakoutthecash
There is some merit and commerciality in the magnet recycling tech they own that can be used "in house" or licensed to others for a fee/percentage/royalty/commission income stream
IXR is much better as a magnet recycling tech company than a REE miner in Uganda IMO
But you know what...an interest in the physical REE mine is still indirectly in the back pocket for IXR so it's the best of both worlds
One to watch
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I am fully confident that IXR will get funding from UK Govt for the commercialisation of Belfast.
Why else would they pump millions pounds into grants already?
why else would senior UK Govt department officials tour the demo plant?
why else would UK Govt depts include IXR operations into their formal presentations?
Why else would UK Govt accompany other visitors to tour Belfast and meet with IXR reps??
Don't let your view of IXR be influenced by these HC trolls. They very clearly have their own agenda, and you can guarantee that their objective is totally at odds with the objectives of genuine investors.
Have we considered the now strong position of IXR re funding????
Because IF (and that's a big "IF") IXR did not receive funding from any of the UK funding mechanisms, that IXR would simply pivot in a different direction !!
Should UK Govt funding not eventuate, then UK would simply miss out on a proven source of SOVEREIGN supply of the very scarce REEs. That's a biggy on its own! How stupid would the UK Govt look, when Ford car mfg plant shuts down? Or defence industry closes because lack of supply?
For IXR, it would certainly pivot its resources and tech, and people to the jurisdictions which have already committed to funding (ie Brazil), and knocking on door USA!
Why waste any more time and resources on UK - when you have other sovereign Govts clamouring for IXR's business????
If UK Govt needs a supply of REE, it could buy them from Viridion ex Brazil!
I could see USA immediately filling any gap left by UK Govt.
But it won't happen - because UK Govt will write a cheque any day now.
roblun said:
Thanks for posting the video link Rob.
And I do agree, I am not worried about being in the Infrastructure report.
Its not what we are really about.
The critical mineral strategy is where you should see our name, and rightly so.
I would definitely say we are a chance to be in that document, if not a certainty.
And as for the UK funding, it will come.
They are bloody slow, but I think the Brazilian funding may just be the impetus get them moving.
Agree Kop, we just need to be a bit more patient—funding for the UK commercial plant is moving forward, and we’re nearly there, the foundation is rock solid, partnerships are locked in, and the technology is proven, with funding secured, it’ll be full speed ahead for IXR.
The groundwork is done, and the next phase is all about accelerating growth and delivery of the first commercial plant.
Gee, my comment re IXR's ability to pivot away from the commercialisation of Belfast, in the very unlikely event of UK funding not eventuating, seems to have been confirmed by TH in the NWR interview above.
Have a listen at about the 20 min mark. Plenty of other opportunities.
And it certainly sounds as though the USA interest is at panic levels, and he says Chairman is returning to US to discuss opportunities. He then says he hopes to be able to make public these opportunities soon.
Then he mentions "other opportunities" - I think outside UK/Brazil/USA?
Hold on to your hats.
Why else would they pump millions pounds into grants already?
why else would senior UK Govt department officials tour the demo plant?
why else would UK Govt depts include IXR operations into their formal presentations?
Why else would UK Govt accompany other visitors to tour Belfast and meet with IXR reps??
Don't let your view of IXR be influenced by these HC trolls. They very clearly have their own agenda, and you can guarantee that their objective is totally at odds with the objectives of genuine investors.
Have we considered the now strong position of IXR re funding????
Because IF (and that's a big "IF") IXR did not receive funding from any of the UK funding mechanisms, that IXR would simply pivot in a different direction !!
Should UK Govt funding not eventuate, then UK would simply miss out on a proven source of SOVEREIGN supply of the very scarce REEs. That's a biggy on its own! How stupid would the UK Govt look, when Ford car mfg plant shuts down? Or defence industry closes because lack of supply?
For IXR, it would certainly pivot its resources and tech, and people to the jurisdictions which have already committed to funding (ie Brazil), and knocking on door USA!
Why waste any more time and resources on UK - when you have other sovereign Govts clamouring for IXR's business????
If UK Govt needs a supply of REE, it could buy them from Viridion ex Brazil!
I could see USA immediately filling any gap left by UK Govt.
But it won't happen - because UK Govt will write a cheque any day now.
jake0002
roblun said:
Thanks for posting the video link Rob.
And I do agree, I am not worried about being in the Infrastructure report.
Its not what we are really about.
The critical mineral strategy is where you should see our name, and rightly so.
I would definitely say we are a chance to be in that document, if not a certainty.
And as for the UK funding, it will come.
They are bloody slow, but I think the Brazilian funding may just be the impetus get them moving.
Koproskilo
Agree Kop, we just need to be a bit more patient—funding for the UK commercial plant is moving forward, and we’re nearly there, the foundation is rock solid, partnerships are locked in, and the technology is proven, with funding secured, it’ll be full speed ahead for IXR.
The groundwork is done, and the next phase is all about accelerating growth and delivery of the first commercial plant.
roblun
Gee, my comment re IXR's ability to pivot away from the commercialisation of Belfast, in the very unlikely event of UK funding not eventuating, seems to have been confirmed by TH in the NWR interview above.
Have a listen at about the 20 min mark. Plenty of other opportunities.
And it certainly sounds as though the USA interest is at panic levels, and he says Chairman is returning to US to discuss opportunities. He then says he hopes to be able to make public these opportunities soon.
Then he mentions "other opportunities" - I think outside UK/Brazil/USA?
Hold on to your hats.
jake0002
Frank
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Fyi,I have been juggling some stocks but one that I'm not playing with and definitely keeping is IXR
There is some merit and commerciality in the magnet recycling tech they own that can be used "in house" or licensed to others for a fee/percentage/royalty/commission income stream
IXR is much better as a magnet recycling tech company than a REE miner in Uganda IMO
But you know what...an interest in the physical REE mine is still indirectly in the back pocket for IXR so it's the best of both worlds
One to watch
Well worth a look for any IXR shareholders here imo
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