AVZ Discussion 2022

[Samus]

I reckon shareholders have been pretty patient considering we were supposed to get the expidited mining licence within a few weeks some two years ago.
The Congolese politicians and public servants have somehow stuffed things beyond belief even though everything was done according to their mining code and their laws.
The idiots are sensitive because they're being called out on social media, big deal so they should be called out imo. And they should have been sacked, jailed and worse as well. Instead they get reinstated in the government, sit there entrenched in their 20 year positions and even the buffoons at Cominière haven't been sacked.
They carry on like a pack of kindergarten kids and burst into crocodile tears if things don't go their corrupted lying way.
Give them hell, who cares at this point. I'm also of the opinion that we might as well release the bfs and bring on ICC against the government. They've tied this up in years of legal battles anyway through greed, corruption and stupidity. Zijin is a problem but the Congolese are the real problem here and they're not changing, even their own corruption watchdog is in despair for the inaction.

 

[Misfits]

My response was

"I have heard this many times before .... next 2 weeks, next month, soon, etc. and nothing happens. I dont believe i am attacking the president but asking the questions. As to the Ministers.... yes



. They have been identified by the IGF as corrupt. So i am sharing the facts. I am heavily invested in AVZ....all in. I have been suffering financially for 11 months living on borrowed money from family and friends. I feel these crooks need to be shamed."

Yep I too received this PM.

My reply was very similar and that I am fed up the President hasn’t used his pen to give us the ML. Also pissed off the President is not sticking to what he says. EG: show me the proof and I will prosecute any thief’s.

 

[Samus]

Yep I too received this PM.

My reply was very similar and that I am fed up the President hasn’t used his pen to give us the ML. Also pissed off the President is not sticking to what he says. EG: show me the proof and I will prosecute any thief’s.

Who is sending these PM's?

Some Chinaman?

 

[Flexi]

I have removed my "offending" postings from Twitter as asked.

However after 4 weeks if no progress made, these mother fucking princess's wont know what hit them.

I will come out with both barrels firing and closely following behind a Leopard Tank and HMARS rockets

Fingers crossed that I will not need to do this.

 

[Misfits]

Who is sending these PM's?

Some Chinaman?

Someone who is on Twitter defending AVZ all day. We went too and fro over a few things respectfully. 4 weeks is a while not to remind certain people of their non committal attitude to AVZ, such as Felix.

 

[cruiser51]

Zijin will provide all the mud you need

I have news for Zijin, fukum.

 

[Samus]

Someone who is on Twitter defending AVZ all day. We went too and fro over a few things respectfully. 4 weeks is a while not to remind certain people of their non committal attitude to AVZ, such as Felix.

They started saying it at least 5 weeks ago, saying the next fortnight was critical. Now they want another month. We keep hearing the same thing time and again.
Personally I've not seen much on twitter against FT, only from troll accounts. I'm assuming very frustrated shareholders or more likely detractors trying to give AVZ a bad wrap. We're not likely to silence those types anyway.
The frustration is that if FT was serious about corruption it shouldn't really matter at all upsetting the likes of JFMK, Mop or the idiots at Cominière.

It's understandable that frustrations boil over because in near 12 month we've gone nothing but backwards into legal turmoil and been smothered in misinformation and chaos without a single sign of the government backing we need to progress.
A lot of heresay that never ends in results.

 

[Winenut]

I'm actually not fucking interested being told what to do, or what not to do, by some fucking anonymous person, or expert, or influencer, or supposedly connected fucking hero, or inner circle "hearsay wink/nod" douchebag on any fucking platform or thread or fucking Twittersphere in relation to my response and actions to the shit going down in the DRC and AVZ's fall from ministerial decree awarding the ML to the current position of who knows what the fuck is happening and we're taking our JV partner to the fucking ICC

Fuck me....

I don't want the Mantle but for fucks sake I may as well believe and put faith in the Tooth Fairy, Jesus fucking Christ himself, Jehovah, Aliens, Sasquatch, Ron L Hubbard, the Loch Ness Monster, the Easter Bunny, Father fucking Christmas and any other fucking uncredited, unreliable, unauthenticated, blowing their own bags, self proclaimed Messiah on the fucking interweb

Unless Nige fucking calls me or AVZ put out an official announcement I'll continue to decide what I'll do and when I fucking do it

Eleven fucking months

Fuck me

 

[TDITD]

I have removed my "offending" postings from Twitter as asked.

However after 4 weeks if no progress made, these mother fucking princess's wont know what hit them.

I will come out with both barrels firing and closely following behind a Leopard Tank and HMARS rockets

Fingers crossed that I will not need to do this.

 

[Hemicuda]

I'm actually not fucking interested being told what to do, or what not to do, by some fucking anonymous person, or expert, or influencer, or supposedly connected fucking hero, or inner circle "hearsay wink/nod" douchebag on any fucking platform or thread or fucking Twittersphere in relation to my response and actions to the shit going down in the DRC and AVZ's fall from ministerial decree awarding the ML to the current position of who knows what the fuck is happening and we're taking our JV partner to the fucking ICC

Fuck me....

I don't want the Mantle but for fucks sake I may as well believe and put faith in the Tooth Fairy, Jesus fucking Christ himself, Jehovah, Aliens, Sasquatch, Ron L Hubbard, the Loch Ness Monster, the Easter Bunny, Father fucking Christmas and any other fucking uncredited, unreliable, unauthenticated, blowing their own bags, self proclaimed Messiah on the fucking interweb

Unless Nige fucking calls me or AVZ put out an official announcement I'll continue to decide what I'll do and when I fucking do it

Eleven fucking months

Fuck me

Yes

 

[ptlas]

But I said no, no, no

@MoneyBags1348 a voice responded to my evening prayer, saying Mupande should be targeted, but not FT

Mysterious ways etc

10HM’s

I ain't got seventy days

 

[ptlas]

I'm actually not fucking interested being told what to do, or what not to do, by some fucking anonymous person, or expert, or influencer, or supposedly connected fucking hero, or inner circle "hearsay wink/nod" douchebag on any fucking platform or thread or fucking Twittersphere in relation to my response and actions to the shit going down in the DRC and AVZ's fall from ministerial decree awarding the ML to the current position of who knows what the fuck is happening and we're taking our JV partner to the fucking ICC

Fuck me....

I don't want the Mantle but for fucks sake I may as well believe and put faith in the Tooth Fairy, Jesus fucking Christ himself, Jehovah, Aliens, Sasquatch, Ron L Hubbard, the Loch Ness Monster, the Easter Bunny, Father fucking Christmas and any other fucking uncredited, unreliable, unauthenticated, blowing their own bags, self proclaimed Messiah on the fucking interweb

Unless Nige fucking calls me or AVZ put out an official announcement I'll continue to decide what I'll do and when I fucking do it

Eleven fucking months

Fuck me

100%

I would just add that if these in the know wankers were really in the know then they could share some relevant info regarding progress and the state of play.
If Jens does play golf with Ferguson ( as suggested somewhere - I think here) then I find it impossible to believe that NF complains about SM without giving a progress report of sorts.
He could wink it via Morse code for sharing here.
Don't need to know really sensitive stuff, just some titbits about progress / upcoming meetings /ICC postponement etc

BTW I continue to use 'NF' or 'Ferguson' and not 'Nige' because he is not my mate.
He is a guy that I employ, as a shareholder, to look after my financial interests.
He has done a fairly poor job for quite some time.
Unnecessarily withholding information
Misleading shareholders about the mica content of some of our north CDL. I could use the word lying.
Major shareholder and former director of a major competitor (AJN).

He's playing a good game regarding DRC / Chinese corruption but has demonstrated deceit and putting self- interest ahead, and indeed contrary, to that of shareholders.

I bear no ill will but just because he's CEO does not make him a mate.

Just saying

 

[Flight996]

An article in today's Stockhead newsletter about crimped Burma tin supply leading a 10% jump in price overnight.

Nickel, copper, cobalt? Nope, tin is now the battery metal stealing the limelight - Stockhead

Tin prices surged on Monday after the Myanmar state responsible for 10% of global supplies announced plans to halt mining in August.

stockhead.com.au

Manono has lots of high grade tin. AVZ could mine it and...oh crap.

 

[cruiser51]

Talk, fukkin talk, fukkin Talk, free lunch in Kong's Hotel, paid for by the people who can't afford a bag of maîs flower and another day wasted in talking. And the dignitaries get fatter, fatter, fatter. I hope they have their insulin with them.

 

[Mr Inappropriate]

Ye look I’m totally over these wankers too don’t get me wrong about that ; shareholders have gone through the mills ; last 8 months in particular have been consumed with constant social media screen watching; as opposed to giving and spending time to things that really matter in life.

I think some of your last paragraph presses the point -

“Give them hell, who cares at this point. I'm also of the opinion that we might as well release the bfs and bring on ICC against the government. They've tied this up in years of legal battles anyway through greed, corruption and stupidity.”Zijin is a problem but the Congolese are the real problem here and they're not changing, even their own corruption watchdog is in despair for the inaction.

“Greed , corruption and stupidity “ - 100% ; this has been absolute mind boggling ; I can’t get my head around some of the antics of sheer stupidity that have gone on and all stemming from the greed and corruption pot ; it’s like these people do one thing which is totally incomprehensible to us ; totally stand out nuts and no repercussions…. It’s like it’s just the norm ,get on with it ; it’s corruption, it’s just the done thing , don’t think about it ! Wanna cup of tea and a biscuit ?

‘Zijin is a problem but the Congolese are the real problem here and they're not changing’ -

Again yes totally agree ; zijin are a huge problem and the Congolese who feed and get fed from entities like Zijin are a massive parasitic issue ; these combined suck the lifeblood out of everything and it’s extremely difficult to alter this, as this root grows and spreads right out over time feeding more with $ and a sense of importance ; very difficult to control once it spreads and further takes root … a little Chinese money goes a long way and provides between return when dishes out in the DRC

*Give them hell, who cares at this point

*They've tied this up in years of legal battles anyway

*Congolese are the real problem here and they're not changing,

The 3 points above is where we are at ; posters in general don’t have a clue what’s happening ; frustrated at locked up capital and thoughts as to how failure will likely alter lifestyle moving forward ; lack of information is extremely frustrating ; all the above just cuts on the nerve .

Those 3 points just show that some have come to a point and basically written it off, even though they have zero information , as to what’s evolving on the other side ; what management are up to ; who they are speaking to …. So we (shareholders) know nothing ( recent ann about why we don’t comply with listing rule 3.1, basically tells us why we don’t know ) , but it’s hard to stay still and say nothing , but it’s not in shareholders control . So why do we assume blindly that we’ll just take this course of action at any particular time and Start lambasting ministers etc …. I think a great effort has been done in the lead up to where we are now by some on Twitter in calling some DRC / Chinese crooks out … but I’ve a feeling that Cominiere and co are on a final desperate retarded death roll

It’s proving up imo that most of this is being politically balanced at this point ; slow arduous work but imo in progress ; if there was no political swells and we we’re walking this same path 4 months ago ; I very much doubt that we’d be still here ; I reckon AVZ would be already in DRC to the ICC mode.

There’s been a few posters in the past in here and indeed on Twitter with wink winks , but as we know zero has come to fruition … I’m pretty sure that these posters were pretty bang on with … let’s say ‘the feelings’ which were resonating by those that’s some would expect to know more ; but for one reason or other all these posters and sources were equally disappointed when thing passed by; seems that a lot of the apparent reasons when postmortem results were enquires about that it was to do with political tripwires and ‘enter at your own risk’ signs which had popped up and or certain channels had seemed to have grown tumours since last speak, as those ‘distractors’ seemed to borrow deeper in order to try and protect their easy money easily lifestyle channels which before has just seemed natural….. of course those winkers no longer wink here ; they either just observe or keep it to themselves rather bring on a stoning or heckling like something out if the life of Brian

Anyway there’s been a couple of things especially out of the Cominiere side which of course runs on to Zijin as of late which would suggest some desperation is also seeping in there . For those who think management are not pressing in on it full bore , I reckon you couldn’t be much further from the truth ; in the past particularly during my hotcrapper posting days I’ve been pretty critical of management ; but over the last 6 months I have gained great respect for them and how they are now navigating this; it’s been a road of an unbelievable amount of hurdles and bloody stressful for all ; this has not been made easy particularly with FTs re-elections coming up as he’s not been able to put a guys to anyone’s head so to say and forget about political repercussions …. But my feeling is that management are now on the hinge point of flipping that boulder and this with the backing of a hamstrung but mostly functional DRC government which are gaining momentum whilst keeping their reelection ship above water


“Give them hell, who cares at this point. I'm also of the opinion that we might as well release the bfs and bring on ICC against the government. They've tied this up in years of legal battles anyway through greed, corruption and stupidity.”

Imo the above would probably be welcomed by cominiere , Zijin and Co ; back the DRC government into a corner ; drag this whole thing right out etc

Management are doing what they are being paid to do and fwiw ; I reckon NF has earned his keep over the last 12 months …. Obviously not a lover as to how all this thing spilled out on the ground ; but hat off to NF in how he’s been dealing with it ; he’s been away from family and out of country far far more than he’s been here over the last 10 months.

If whispers are coming out from particular individuals asking if we can smooth it down a bit on social media … and I’m frustrated beyond words … then maybe just a little longer isn’t such a bad idea … ye I know 12 months is a long bloody time

apologies for all fat finger errors , grammer etc, twas an iphone post

I remain keen to go hard at Z on the bird. No one could argue with that, right?

 

[marksmann007]

 

[GuruDukun]

Yes, yes. You are angry, I am angry… we are all angry.

But, do SH’s really think it would be wise to sling mud at FT when the decision lies with him and those close to him?

Until the decision has been made, try and be precise with your anger. When we clearly don’t know what is going on behind closed doors, don’t speculate and leave us other (sh) open to criticism and give detractors ammo to influence such a critical decision for us.

RDC, along with many developing countries are fiercely patriotic. Don’t turn this into a “neo colonists vs us (RDC)” thing by insulting the head of state.

Secondly, hierarchies are much more apparent than in Australia. We love to sling shit upwards. They have much more respect.

If you keep fighting against the reality of the situation, regardless of whether you like it or not, you’ll do your head in. Be better. Act smarter.

 

[GuruDukun]

I remain keen to go hard at Z on the bird. No one could argue with that, right?

Agreed!

 

[MoneyBags1348]

*Lol, Now that's Funny, Sadly Probably True tbo

Fyi, Check this out, PM gets a Please Explain while two faced Bitch / Green Witch watches on,

Execution of the government program: Sama Lukonde expected at the National Assembly

Three years after his inauguration, Sama Lukonde is called upon to explain the level of execution of his ambitious action program based on 5 pillars with more than 60 priority areas.

The diversification of the economy, securing the country, the fight against corruption and poverty are among the priorities.

National deputy Crispin Mbindule, elected from Butembo (North Kivu) tabled an oral question with debate to this effect at the office of the National Assembly.

National deputy Crispin Mbindule has just addressed an oral question with debate addressed to Prime Minister Sama Lukonde.

According to the deputy interpellator Crispin Mbindule, Sama must appear before the national representation to explain the level of execution of the government program Sama Lukonde 2021-2023.

The elected representative of Butembo in the province of North Kivu recalls that before the national representation, the Prime Minister had undertaken, when he came to power, to make the Democratic Republic of the Congo a strong, prosperous and united state on the move. towards its development.

"More than two years after the investiture of your government by the National Assembly, the Congolese people continue to challenge us on the various promises contained in your government program", indicated Crispin Mbindule in his document sent to the office of the Lower House of Parliament.

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The preoccupations

In view of the government's program mentioned above and the critical evolution of the daily life of the population, the interpellating deputy raises, among other concerns, the assessment at the current stage on the pacification of the country and the promotion of reconciliation, cohesion and national unity; what about the round tables announced for the provinces under a state of siege; the “Disarmament, Demobilization, Community Reintegration and Stability, PDDRCS” program; strengthening the authority of the state, promoting the state and democracy in our country as outlined in your government program; the results of joint FARDC-UPDF operations in the Beni sector and surroundings, and the deployment of EAC troops in North Kivu.

In addition, as head of government, Crispin Mbindule wants to know the results of voter registration operations by the Independent National Electoral Commission; and after the registration of voters by the CENI, what about the census and identification so that the Congolese people obtain their identity card; the mid-term review of various reforms announced for a genuine public administration at the service of the citizen; what about the national equalization fund to allow the less well-off provinces to set up their grassroots development programs; the assessment of the government's diplomacy announced as acting at the sub-regional and regional level and the inventory of embassies and diplomatic missions around the world; the concrete measures taken by the government to fight against corruption and economic crimes which are still rampant in our country.

The National Assembly had invested, on April 26, 2021, the government led by Prime Minister Sama Lukonde.

On occasion, Sama Lukonde seduced the national representation with a government program based on 5 pillars with more than 60 priorities.

The diversification of the economy, securing the country, the fight against corruption and poverty are among the priorities.

mediacongo

As you say in your post Frank

“More than two years after the investiture of this government…. people continue to challenge us on the various promises contained in the government program"

I think it’s fine to keep it in the news that the sale of $150 million worth of shares by Cominiere to Zijin for $33 million was illegal and fraudulent.

We can continue to reinforce the facts by the IGF Report and CKK lying as well as that Cominiere and Zijin have not contributed a cent to the project.

Followed up again by the fact the Chinese embassy dismissed the IGF Report and the DRC government appears to be allowing the illegal transaction to go ahead after AVZ has spent 7 years and millions of dollars on the project.

As far as the corrupt officials involved, I’m certain they go right to the top of the government but I think that’s a whole different campaign. One thing was obvious, it got their attention when the twitter campaign kicked off.

I know who the person sending out the message to back off the govt on Twitter is but also been asked to keep it confidential, my suggestion is that person (and Jens) are going to have provide some additional reasons or details or their requests will fall on deaf ears.

I’m starting to get brain fatigue from months of codeine and being stuck on tse so don’t even know what I just typed in but I just read @Sammael and @obe wan posts and loved them

 

[TDITD]

Ye look I’m totally over these wankers too don’t get me wrong about that ; shareholders have gone through the mills ; last 8 months in particular have been consumed with constant social media screen watching; as opposed to giving and spending time to things that really matter in life.

I think some of your last paragraph presses the point -

“Give them hell, who cares at this point. I'm also of the opinion that we might as well release the bfs and bring on ICC against the government. They've tied this up in years of legal battles anyway through greed, corruption and stupidity.”Zijin is a problem but the Congolese are the real problem here and they're not changing, even their own corruption watchdog is in despair for the inaction.

“Greed , corruption and stupidity “ - 100% ; this has been absolute mind boggling ; I can’t get my head around some of the antics of sheer stupidity that have gone on and all stemming from the greed and corruption pot ; it’s like these people do one thing which is totally incomprehensible to us ; totally stand out nuts and no repercussions…. It’s like it’s just the norm ,get on with it ; it’s corruption, it’s just the done thing , don’t think about it ! Wanna cup of tea and a biscuit ?

‘Zijin is a problem but the Congolese are the real problem here and they're not changing’ -

Again yes totally agree ; zijin are a huge problem and the Congolese who feed and get fed from entities like Zijin are a massive parasitic issue ; these combined suck the lifeblood out of everything and it’s extremely difficult to alter this, as this root grows and spreads right out over time feeding more with $ and a sense of importance ; very difficult to control once it spreads and further takes root … a little Chinese money goes a long way and provides between return when dishes out in the DRC

*Give them hell, who cares at this point

*They've tied this up in years of legal battles anyway

*Congolese are the real problem here and they're not changing,

The 3 points above is where we are at ; posters in general don’t have a clue what’s happening ; frustrated at locked up capital and thoughts as to how failure will likely alter lifestyle moving forward ; lack of information is extremely frustrating ; all the above just cuts on the nerve .

Those 3 points just show that some have come to a point and basically written it off, even though they have zero information , as to what’s evolving on the other side ; what management are up to ; who they are speaking to …. So we (shareholders) know nothing ( recent ann about why we don’t comply with listing rule 3.1, basically tells us why we don’t know ) , but it’s hard to stay still and say nothing , but it’s not in shareholders control . So why do we assume blindly that we’ll just take this course of action at any particular time and Start lambasting ministers etc …. I think a great effort has been done in the lead up to where we are now by some on Twitter in calling some DRC / Chinese crooks out … but I’ve a feeling that Cominiere and co are on a final desperate retarded death roll

It’s proving up imo that most of this is being politically balanced at this point ; slow arduous work but imo in progress ; if there was no political swells and we we’re walking this same path 4 months ago ; I very much doubt that we’d be still here ; I reckon AVZ would be already in DRC to the ICC mode.

There’s been a few posters in the past in here and indeed on Twitter with wink winks , but as we know zero has come to fruition … I’m pretty sure that these posters were pretty bang on with … let’s say ‘the feelings’ which were resonating by those that’s some would expect to know more ; but for one reason or other all these posters and sources were equally disappointed when thing passed by; seems that a lot of the apparent reasons when postmortem results were enquires about that it was to do with political tripwires and ‘enter at your own risk’ signs which had popped up and or certain channels had seemed to have grown tumours since last speak, as those ‘distractors’ seemed to borrow deeper in order to try and protect their easy money easily lifestyle channels which before has just seemed natural….. of course those winkers no longer wink here ; they either just observe or keep it to themselves rather bring on a stoning or heckling like something out if the life of Brian

Anyway there’s been a couple of things especially out of the Cominiere side which of course runs on to Zijin as of late which would suggest some desperation is also seeping in there . For those who think management are not pressing in on it full bore , I reckon you couldn’t be much further from the truth ; in the past particularly during my hotcrapper posting days I’ve been pretty critical of management ; but over the last 6 months I have gained great respect for them and how they are now navigating this; it’s been a road of an unbelievable amount of hurdles and bloody stressful for all ; this has not been made easy particularly with FTs re-elections coming up as he’s not been able to put a guys to anyone’s head so to say and forget about political repercussions …. But my feeling is that management are now on the hinge point of flipping that boulder and this with the backing of a hamstrung but mostly functional DRC government which are gaining momentum whilst keeping their reelection ship above water


“Give them hell, who cares at this point. I'm also of the opinion that we might as well release the bfs and bring on ICC against the government. They've tied this up in years of legal battles anyway through greed, corruption and stupidity.”

Imo the above would probably be welcomed by cominiere , Zijin and Co ; back the DRC government into a corner ; drag this whole thing right out etc

Management are doing what they are being paid to do and fwiw ; I reckon NF has earned his keep over the last 12 months …. Obviously not a lover as to how all this thing spilled out on the ground ; but hat off to NF in how he’s been dealing with it ; he’s been away from family and out of country far far more than he’s been here over the last 10 months.

If whispers are coming out from particular individuals asking if we can smooth it down a bit on social media … and I’m frustrated beyond words … then maybe just a little longer isn’t such a bad idea … ye I know 12 months is a long bloody time

apologies for all fat finger errors , grammer etc, twas an iphone post